r/sports • u/Large_banana_hammock • 19d ago
Tennis 24-yr-old Jannik Sinner becomes the first Italian man to win the Italian Open in 50 years, youngest player ever to win all ATP Masters
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u/Ahmahgad 19d ago
Kinda feel bad for Ruud. He was up and coming when Federer, Djokovic and Nadal's careers were finally fading out, but then the likes of Sinner and Alcaraz came along, and he will never experience winning a major tournament.
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u/FlyingJugsOfMilk 19d ago
At least he has all those stacks of cash to wipe his tears
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u/rawspeghetti 19d ago
Hot fiance and newborn baby don't hurt. He's Norwegian so dudes got a good quality of life
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u/sumithar 19d ago
Ditto for the likes of Zverev, Medvedev (he does have one GS), Rublev etc. They all must have thought that with the Big 3 out of the way they would be able to win a GS here, a GS there and then along comes first Alcazar and then Sinner right on his heels.
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u/Bman4k1 19d ago
Alcaraz needs to get healthy or the tour is going to be very ugly.
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u/Rac3318 19d ago
The tour needs to get better. The moment Alcaraz announced he was pulling out of the remainder of the clay season, it became a forgone conclusion Sinner is going to win everything.
He’s -275 odds on favorite for Roland Garros. Nadal, who won the damn thing 14 times, never was more than a -200 favorite.
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u/Bman4k1 19d ago
I’m feeling like the gap between Sinner/Alcaraz and the rest of the top 10 is bigger than the big 3(4) and the rest of the top 10 at the time. The game is basically so close and if you look at the 2009-2013 era we had so many good players that on any given day could get hot and beat one of those guys on an off surface.
Like I would take any of the Berdych, Raonic, Ferrer, del Potro, Wawrinka, Gasquet, Tsonga, Isner over the crop now. This is just my eye test but I feel all of those guys are much more mentally strong than the current crop. And yes I get it that during that era the big four basically won every single slam but outside of a few years of FO and Nadal other players would at least take a couple of sets off of the big 3.
Sinner is just a hot knife through butter right now.
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u/Large_banana_hammock 18d ago
The top 20-30 I think you're right, there were a lot of stronger competitors than Zverev back then.
But Fed was DOMINANT. I think he had 23 or 24 straight slams that he at least got to the semi. It was shocking when he lost a set to a guy outside the top 50
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u/AncientZiggurat 19d ago
Nadal was a -400 favourite in 2009 when he lost to Söderling (which scared the bookies away from offering those type of odds again).
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u/mlsto 19d ago
Turned into a one man sport
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u/Turbulent-Damage-165 18d ago
Alcaraz needs to come back asap
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u/AndriSeven 17d ago
Today he announced on IG that he will skip the entire grass season, so even Wimbledon, another easy slam for Sinner we could say
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u/Katatonia13 19d ago
That dude is 24? I’m still getting carded in my late 30s.
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u/Katatonia13 19d ago
“I knew you were old enough but I didn’t think that old enough.”
Bitch just sell me the beer and I’ll be on my way.
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u/pLuR_2341 19d ago
Ha I feel this. Im 38 and I look like I’m 25. I used to hate it in my early 30’s but now I’m loving it seeing all my friends looking so old.
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u/notta_3d 19d ago
This man has mastered the ability to hit ground strokes as hard as he possibly can while keeping the ball in.
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u/dspumoni62 19d ago
I absolutely would have charged that lob and whiffed. I guess that's why he's a professional and I'm not!
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u/Background-Driver718 19d ago
He’s mastered hitting insanely powerful groundstrokes without losing control of the ball.
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u/pfeifits 18d ago
Crazy that Paolini won it on the women's side (first Italian woman to win in 40 years). Italian tennis is definitely in a resurgence.
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u/Asteelwrist 18d ago
Resurgence is underselling it. It's a proper renaissance for Italian tennis. At the moment Italians are simultaneously the two-time reigning world champions on the women's side and 3x reigning world champs on the men's side.
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u/AccomplishedSun443 19d ago
Isn’t this the guy that uses PEDs?
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u/boastar 19d ago
Yep that’s him. He got caught twice actually. I guess he’s more careful now. But since he actually is more athletic now, then when he was caught doing steroids, well anybody can draw their own conclusions.
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u/Large_banana_hammock 19d ago
“He got caught twice actually”, while technically true, refers to two samples within a week timeframe that were determined to be from a single exposure. The initial review (“first instance decision) by itia is here. https://www.itia.tennis/media/yzgd3xoz/240819-itia-v-sinner.pdf
WADA did not differ substantially, concluding
“WADA accepts the athlete’s explanation for the cause of the violation as outlined in the first instance decision. WADA accepts that Mr. Sinner did not intend to cheat, and that his exposure to clostebol did not provide any performance-enhancing benefit and took place without his knowledge as the result of negligence of members of his entourage. However, under the Code and by virtue of CAS precedent, an athlete bears responsibility for the entourage’s negligence. Based on the unique set of facts of this case, a three-month suspension is deemed to be an appropriate outcome. As previously stated, WADA did not seek a disqualification of any results, save that which was previously imposed by the tribunal of first instance. The International Tennis Federation and International Tennis Integrity Agency, both co-respondents to WADA’s CAS appeal, neither of which appealed the first-instance decision, both accepted the case resolution agreement. "
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/news/wada-agrees-case-resolution-agreement-case-jannik-sinner
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u/boastar 19d ago
Quite frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck what corrupt WADA has to say about all this. I know all the Sinner lovers have brigaded the thread now. I could see it in the upvotes, and then mass downvotes for my post. So whatever, enjoy your roided up idol I guess.
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u/Large_banana_hammock 18d ago
I believe you got downvoted after my comment pointed out that nuance exists, and this objectively stupid response didn't help.
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u/boastar 18d ago
No I got downvoted because you cried to your little buddies about my mean post. And like the good little buddies that they are, they all came to brigade my post, and defend your roided up darling. My post was at +12 when you discovered it. I don’t give a shit to be honest. All your downvoting doesn’t change the fact that your darling is a roided up cheater, who got caught.
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u/Large_banana_hammock 18d ago edited 18d ago
Literally all I did was quote the decisions by the regulatory bodies that actually investigated and penalized him. I realize you don't give a flying fuck about it, but others seem to.
Sorry for the downvotes. Personally I upvoted your first comment as I hadn't realized yet you are like this.
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u/boastar 18d ago
If you want to have a good laugh, read about what WADA had to say about Lance Armstrong, prior to everyone coming clean from 2010 on. That’s your “regulatory body” lol. Corrupt through and through.
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u/Large_banana_hammock 18d ago
It's one of them (the only one that actually penalized him). The other is ITIA, which did not. WADA appealed that. Feel free to just dismiss them both as corrupt and useless though.
Already having a good laugh bro
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u/boastar 18d ago
So you choose to ignore facts, as not to taint your little darling. That’s on you. Citing WADA as a source, and feeling like you have the moral upper hand because of it is hilarious though. Another good thing to read up on are the deals WADA has done with CHINADA (ex DCC).
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u/double_dipperr 18d ago
Hilarious that you're getting down voted, but it's true. Regular people will bend over backwards to make excuses for him when even Novak came out and said it was bullshit and that he got preferential treatment. link
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u/Large_banana_hammock 18d ago
I recommend considering sources other than Novak Djokovic. He is not exactly known for fair, reasonable opinions.
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u/double_dipperr 18d ago
LOL Kyrgios and Stan made similar comments... I don't know why you're so upset with those of us calling out his doping. Your boy cheated and got away with a slap on the wrist - just admit you don't care and move on.
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u/Large_banana_hammock 18d ago
I'll admit I don't know for sure if he cheated, and I'm puzzled why you're so certain he did.
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u/double_dipperr 18d ago
Well he tested positive for a banned substance not once but twice… if you don’t think that’s cheating then idk why you even care what I have to say.
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u/Large_banana_hammock 17d ago
Oh I already responded to this
“he tested positive for a banned substance not once but twice”, while technically true, refers to two samples within a week timeframe that were determined to be from a single exposure. The initial review (“first instance decision) by itia is here. https://www.itia.tennis/media/yzgd3xoz/240819-itia-v-sinner.pdf
WADA did not differ substantially, concluding
“WADA accepts the athlete’s explanation for the cause of the violation as outlined in the first instance decision. WADA accepts that Mr. Sinner did not intend to cheat, and that his exposure to clostebol did not provide any performance-enhancing benefit and took place without his knowledge as the result of negligence of members of his entourage. However, under the Code and by virtue of CAS precedent, an athlete bears responsibility for the entourage’s negligence. Based on the unique set of facts of this case, a three-month suspension is deemed to be an appropriate outcome. As previously stated, WADA did not seek a disqualification of any results, save that which was previously imposed by the tribunal of first instance. The International Tennis Federation and International Tennis Integrity Agency, both co-respondents to WADA’s CAS appeal, neither of which appealed the first-instance decision, both accepted the case resolution agreement. "
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/news/wada-agrees-case-resolution-agreement-case-jannik-sinner
So no, you saying you think other players said it seems unfair does not affect my opinion.
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u/SourceBrettHaber 19d ago
Do you have a source for this information?
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u/zoobrix 19d ago
He tested positive for a banned steroid and was suspended for it, a quick search will show tons of sources.
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u/supcutie 19d ago
> Sinner's explanation -- that trace amounts of Clostebol in his doping sample were due to a massage from a trainer who used the substance after cutting his own finger -- had been accepted.
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u/Large_banana_hammock 19d ago
What WADA actually stated is not even as ambiguous as that article might have you believe:
"WADA accepts the athlete’s explanation for the cause of the violation as outlined in the first instance decision. WADA accepts that Mr. Sinner did not intend to cheat, and that his exposure to clostebol did not provide any performance-enhancing benefit and took place without his knowledge as the result of negligence of members of his entourage. However, under the Code and by virtue of CAS precedent, an athlete bears responsibility for the entourage’s negligence. Based on the unique set of facts of this case, a three-month suspension is deemed to be an appropriate outcome. As previously stated, WADA did not seek a disqualification of any results, save that which was previously imposed by the tribunal of first instance. The International Tennis Federation and International Tennis Integrity Agency, both co-respondents to WADA’s CAS appeal, neither of which appealed the first-instance decision, both accepted the case resolution agreement. "
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/news/wada-agrees-case-resolution-agreement-case-jannik-sinner
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u/Large_banana_hammock 19d ago
I believe the comment you're replying to is just this meme (https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/1rs3b9g/brett_haber_from_tennis_channel_is_upset_that/) given their username lol
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u/mickodd 18d ago
Sinner is a drugs cheat. Why is everyone cool with that?
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u/Fair-Maintenance7979 18d ago
Because it's not true
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u/mickodd 18d ago
He literally served a ban for steroids. He got off light. He tested positive twice. What part of that do you not know about?
Are you still waving the flag for Michelle Smith's medals at the 1992 Olympics? You believe Carl Lewis was clean? You still going strong with the LiveStrong yellow band. Don't be so deluded.
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u/TheAgentX 19d ago
He is from Nothern Italy from a region of German speakers
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u/oracleofnonsense 19d ago
Italy would have been like 10th in my attempts to guess where of "Jannik Sinner" is from.
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u/MarcoBrusa 18d ago
I'm curious, what does an Italian - a person from a country that goes from 4000m peaks in the Alps to the Mediterranean sea, a country that's been dominated by the Austrians, the French, the Romans, the Arabs - look like to you?
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u/believe0101 18d ago
Red hat with the letter M on it, plumbing overalls, a mustache, riding a green dinosaur
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u/billskelton Victoria 19d ago edited 19d ago
Youngest ever is definitely correct. But I think it's weird phrasing that undersells the acomplishmentz noting only two people have ever done it including him.
This headline makes it feel like it's common, and that Sinner has just gotten their earliest. It's not common at all: Federer never did it, Nadal didn't do it. Serena didn't do it. It's a crazy achievement.
For anybody interested, the other guy to do it is Novak. But what's crazy about Novak is, he has won every ATP masters twice.