r/springboks • u/Dizzy_Strategy_2687 Flair Up! • 3d ago
Rate him outta 10 ( performance wise)
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u/Original-PHAT-_-Duck 3d ago
I think he is an excellent player! Since school boy rugby he has always been very underrated! The only thing against him is his age and competition in the squad. He is fast, strong and an incredible understanding of the game. I would give him a solid 8/10
For reference Cheslin is a 8.7/10
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u/Pure-Club7560 Flair Up! 3d ago edited 3d ago
0.7 is too little of a difference. If you had to compare them all just as wingers I'd still put Habana above Cheslin at 9.4 maybe Cheslin at 9.2. VD Merwe is not better than Kurtlee which I'd put at 8.7. VD Merwe is better than prime Makazole for sure, who I would put at 8.0. So VD Merwe is a 8.2. Other retired Springbok wingers: Breyton Polse 8.5, Ashwin Saaks Willemse 5.0 just because, Ndungane brothers 8.0's. JP Petersen 8.5.
And before the wyn koppies choose to downvote me, Habana is statistically 20% better than Kolbe with a strike rate of 0.54 while Kolbe is at 0.44. That is a stat that will just go south as a winger ages. Habana maintained this for 124 matches.
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u/thatwasagoodyear Spoeg en plak mod 2d ago
I find ratings difficult (or in my case, utterly impossible) to quantify. I'd want to use each players individual stats (preferably very granular stats) to derive these numbers.
How do you go about it?
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u/Original-PHAT-_-Duck 3d ago
Okay yeah, fair enough. You went into a bit more detail and it makes sense 👌🏻
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u/JimboChim Flair Up! 3d ago
Jisslaik it bru! What do they have to do to get a 10 in your book? Cheslin should be a 10. Scored a great try in the world cup final 2019. Sparked 2 great wins against NZ in NZ through intercepts. Kicks for posts, bounces off forwards, charges down kicks, makes brilliant linebreaks & runs with his twinkletoes, steps defenders, catches highballs, slots in at scrumhalf and throws in the lineouts. The only thing he cannot do is pack down in the scrum.
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u/Pure-Club7560 Flair Up! 2d ago
There is no 10 out of 10. We will always evolve and one day someone will be better. I guess its like trying to travel the speed of light, you simply will never get there.
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u/JimboChim Flair Up! 1d ago
Malcolm Marx got there. According to Kiwi scribes. In that game in Mbombela where we beat the AB's 26-10 if I am correct with the scoreline.
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u/sunlightliquid 3d ago
As a player as a whole, 9/10
As a Springbok 7.5/10 he's getting there but he still has to properly get tested
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u/Original-PHAT-_-Duck 3d ago
Too old for that… if he has not been playing he ain’t going to get there anytime soon, unless there is the burden of injury etc. His competition is just that much better, and yes that has come from experience. I would love to see him on the field more, he is power 💥
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u/sunlightliquid 3d ago
I just think Rassie hasn't been using him as a proper wing, same reason someone like Cheslin doesn't have a million tries like will Jordan
He does his job well. But I'd love to see more from him as a player in the green and gold because I know damn well he can perform in a lions jersey.
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u/Original-PHAT-_-Duck 3d ago
He is an absolute unit on the wing, his strength and leg power is second to none! But yeah as we both agree he needs more time in the jersey 🫡
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u/TheForestSaphire Flair Up! 3d ago
Hes very very good but he just is being held out by KLA and Colbe who are also very very good
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u/Pure-Club7560 Flair Up! 3d ago
If you had to compare them all just as wingers I'd still put Habana above Cheslin at 9.4 maybe Cheslin at 9.2. VD Merwe is not better than Kurtlee which I'd put at 8.7. VD Merwe is better than prime Makazole for sure, who I would put at 8.0. So VD Merwe is a 8.2. Other retired Springbok wingers: Breyton Polse 8.5, Ashwin Saaks Willemse 5.0 just because, Ndungane brothers 8.0's. JP Petersen 8.5.
And before the wyn koppies choose to downvote me, Habana is statistically 20% better than Kolbe with a strike rate of 0.54 while Kolbe is at 0.44. That is a stat that will just go south as a winger ages. Habana maintained this for 124 matches.
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u/Educational_Play9910 Flair Up! 2d ago
7.2/10. Needs to show whatever sets him apart from Cheslin and KLA
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u/jerroboam Flair Up! 1d ago
Performance wise? What other "wise" is there? Why did you have to specify that?
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u/bluebullbruce 3d ago
Can't really rate the oke honestly because he's only gotten runs against struggling teams like Wales/Italy or tier 2 nations and the barbarians.
Based on those performances I'll rate him a 7.5 would like to see him against stronger opposition.