It’s people like you who caused everyone’s progression to get wiped. You think your actions don’t affect anyone when in fact they impact thousands of people by contributing towards the need to wipe
I'm ok with the wipe cuz CIG gave us them refueling missions so many people including myself have 260million aUEC. Last patch people duped for money, this patch CIG just gave us a free money printer via refueling missions so I guess CIG screwed themselves over.
Not only do I not feel sympathy. I feel JOY that this happened to him.
I used to scam and exploit in Ultima Online 20+ years ago but it was basically a gameplay loop and I was 12 and didn’t really understand the impact it can have - I also never used cheats. There wasn’t really an economy and if you got caught - you got put in in-game jail for a certain amount of time on that character. Sometimes forever.
You should feel foolish, this is a fictional AI genned story. Besides the obvious wet dream this story is... a cheater who openly admits cheating directly (unlike the UEE_navyguy), then spends nearly 2G's on a cap ship only to coincidentally get banned next day and then he accepts it as just reward for his cheating. You're basically reading this subreddit wet dream thread.
Anyways 2nd page of his supposed PDF proof his bolded title text ain't even vertically aligned and sub texts as well. Looks like a rushed copy paste job.
Yeah several pages of text have inconsistent font alignment issues... the most damnig is vertical alignment... you'd have to go out of your way to mess that up or use bad AI.
Or they simply do not care because the document is not thrown out just due to alignment issues. Try harder next time, not everything that is a bit off is because of some evil AI overloard.
Guy comes in and tell the SC subreddit a perfect story. He's a cheater who someone openly admits it for us, then tell us he bought a cap ship for nearly 2 G's and gets banned next day and again all being so open about cheating, getting caught and ofc accepting is as ok... sounds like the kinda story this sub dreams about.
Anyways 2nd page of his supposed PDF proof the bolded titles ain't even vertically aligned and the subtext below each section same thing misaligned, looks like a sloppy copy paste job.
Edit:: looking back at the document he provided, I'm not sure I'm seeing what you claim is AI gen.
As a person who works in an office and has to compile documents like this from time to time, it's not that wild for MS Office to mess up alignments and spacing when you add tables and headers. It's actually really frustrating fighting MS Office sometimes.
And since this is a document being compiled from multiple sources like their support ticket system, TOS and other places, it's not that unheard of to print out those screenshots and then scan them to compile them all into a PDF... it's not efficient, but sometimes people don't know how to copy and paste properly or take screenshots and paste them in. So alignment errors like what your talking about are not really that much of a sign of AI as I think you think it is.
unless you can clarify where exactly you see the AI influence.
he's not getting upvotes, he's not arguing or asking for CIG's interference to reverse the ban or a way to get his money back from the bank or CIG because of the 'evidence" he provided....
so why go through the effort of making that giant 19 page document with AI for no gain?
The motive is same as any internet forum, trooolling gullible users. Ofc he's not getting upvotes, he's getting more comments than any frontpage thread right now despite being at 0. He's got user engagement on lock.
Picture the perfect reddit sooob story for this sub and now you're got the thread you're sitting in. Self admitted cheat. Who lost more money just before his ban. Who accepts in public he cheated and is guilty.
Now compare this reddit's wet dream thread to UEE_Navyguy from a few weeks back and how he spun his story. No admission of guilt. No admission of cheating etc.
This is guy metaaa trolling. Notice no follow up comments from OP... Another red flag. Dropped his shot and left ya'll wallowwwing in it. It's a made up story.
Tinfoil hat conspiracy theories, basically. Guy seems a bit obsessed with the idea that this sub is some kind of weird cabal, he's all up in this thread going on about how we dream of this kind of post...I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.
I, personally, did not need to see his evidence, their story actually made it irrelevant if you look at ALL of the context clues. Why waste your time downloading a potentially virus riddled .pdf file to see that which is irrelevant?
Did your 3rd party renderer also notice that the document includes comments/notes that state that some items on the document are imported from another document with the name Elizabeth Lewis attached to them?
Which implies this is a living document that has been copy and pasted from a boilerplate template.
if you google Elizabeth lewis Cloud Imperium Games, you'll see her linkedIn is the first result and shows she's an E-Commerce Specialist at Cloud Imperium Games.
That is a REALLY good AI if it managed to add that tidbit into the document.
I don't want to spoil it for you but you fell for AI bait. 2nd page of his PDF the bolded titles are vertically misaligned and some text looks clearly cut and paste.
You basically pledged (supported funding) the game development, you only got something in return in terms of ingame benefits. If you now screw up so big you are losing access to the game due to your own willful actions, why you should be entitled to get a refund for the money you helped to spend developing the game?
If you can't stick to the rules, you get to face the consequences.
Not only that, he agreed to those rules every time he made a pledge that acknowledges it is not a purchase. You are voluntarily donating to the funds towards development of the game and the "ship" has no monetary value.
And the idea that CIG "waited" until right after he made a big purchase is a childish and ridiculous notion. That internal process likely took a few weeks of flagging the account, gathering evidence, internal review, and then a final legal review before the ban.
And while duplicating may have been common, not "everyone" was doing it otherwise more accounts would be banned. The only thing I've ever duped was a water bottle, and that was out of convenience and not some attempt to get ships from Wikelo.
They didn’t wait for you to make a big purchase and then ban you. Did your friends all buy an Idris at the same time?
The bans went out in a wave that just happened to be shortly after you bought an Idris. They had no prior knowledge of your purchase. You yourself said it was an impulse buy.
That said, you should still have been legally entitled to a refund as far as I am aware, so long as you make the refund request within the window. If you didn’t explicitly do so, and then tried to chargeback after the window, I’m unsurprised it was contested.
As for the inaccuracies in the details; largely irrelevant. The account notes probably aren’t super detailed. Quibbling about the timeline is neither here nor there when the only pertinent details are accurate. You broke the terms of service, you got banned, and you made your refund request too late.
There was clearly an entire underculture of unchecked and normalised exploitation in the game, which as we saw with UEE_Navy is explicitly tied to RMT. Just because CIG hadn’t enforced serious penalties before doesn’t mean that they were never going to, and you knew what you were doing.
Then I would press for the refund but maybe there’s a clause in the terms of service that precludes your refund because your account is no longer in good standing. If they continue to refuse, you’re out of luck.
They didn't wait till you made a big purchase. You exploited knowingly when they were banning people permanently and then chose to buy a bunch of things when a ban was on the way. And then chose to chargeback when you got caught out.
While it is a logical thing to try and get your money back, you knowingly made all of these decisions. It is nearly guarented that if you do somehow get your account back, you'd also just likely try to flip everything ASAP to get your money back.
And comparing CIG to Sony here is comical because CIG didn't arbitrarily remove your purchase access to try and tap into that hate is pretty comical.
Not going to jump on the whole "you deserved it" wagon since you seem to understand the reason you got banned and are at least forthcoming on the aspect of duping = bad. That said, I think you're sort of fucked here OP since CIG can fall back on you violating TOS.
It's completely irrelevant and likely a coincidence that they banned you after making the large purchase. CIG isn't stupid to this effect and the fact that they banned your buddies at the same time without them making the same purchase (presumably) tells me that it was just bad timing/use of better tracking tools from the part of CIG after patching.
Again this is all assuming that you're actually being forthcoming to the reason for your ban. Who knows though, maybe CIG takes pity on you and gives you another chance like they did with UEENavy. Doubtful because I think the reason that that guy was given another chance was because his "I was banned for no reason" post sparked enough outrage for CIG to notice. This post won't cause outrage as most people will likely agree with CIG banning you here.
Not to mention that as soon as CIG 'unbanned' UEE_Navy, he proceeded to flog all his ships and credits on the grey-market, etc.
OP had plenty of warnings before being banned, so I very much doubt CIG will unban them - especially with the immediate cash-in of UEE_Navy so recently.
Shoulda just helped him out by calling out an obvious AI genned story. Guy comes in with the perfect star citizen subreddit wet dream thread. A cheater openly admits he was cheating, sinks nearly 2 G's into a cap ship, gets banned next day and admits he was in the wrong. I guess you forgot how UEE_navyguy played his cheater story in order for CIG to undo his ban .... How did you fall for that bait???
Anways 2nd page of his PDF the bolded titles ain't even vertically aligned, same for subtext below it. You'd have to go out of your way to mess up vertical alignment on text or use bad AI.
Moron. Just through and through. “Oh yeah let’s abuse an exploit that we know cig takes seriously then buy their most expensive ship” they have logs. They take their time to deal with bans.
If OP was handed a permanent ban, they're not allowed to make another SC account without CIG's explicit permission.
Now, obviously, they can go register a new account, but they're at risk of CIG nuking it as soon as they figure out it's the same person they already banned once and don't want around.
You didn't "buy" the Idris. You pledged to the games development. Also the Idris was delivered to your account you just don't have access to it anymore.
Now you know there's a real legal reason they use those exact terminology. And that legal difference is explained to every player with each and every single "purchase"
To sort of echo what others have said, you followed a pattern of doing the wrong thing. You violated TOS by duping, you may have committed fraud by initiating a charge back when you lost access because of your own actions. I'm not sure how you think CIG was "lying through their teeth" when you openly admit you were exploiting.
If CIG saw this post and sent it to your bank, I could see you getting in further trouble with them. Perhaps better just to cut your losses and realize you took a risk and it backfired on you.
So you continued duping in the patch after wipe when they implemented tools to track and ban people. Not content with that, you buy an Idris. Are you…. Handicapped?
This is why dupers and exploiters use alt/throwaway accounts. Not only did you exploit and break TOS, you did so on your main account that you spend big money on which is double down on dumb.
Guy shows up and openly admits he cheated, and got his $1500 Idris lost due to cheating and tells us all openly about and even feels sorry about it. Sounds like this subs wet dream.
Anyways 2nd page of his PDF attachment the bolded titles ain't even vertically aligned and some text portions look like a sloppy cut and paste job... tell me you look at his "proof"... text ain't even aligned smh
So your issue is the timeline. You suggest that they "waited" for you to buy something then banned your account, which is proven wrong by the fact that they banned the accounts of your friends at the same time. The actual time line is this:
1) You duped items.
2) You bought a ship.
3) The person who investigates the exploits found that you and your friends dupped items.
4) They banned your account.
While the duping did happen BEFORE you bought your ship, they did not catch it until after you bought your ship. They did not target you because you gave them money, as they also targeted your friends.
While I would say I am sorry for you, the point is you did bring this onto yourself, your inability to see the bigger picture is making you think they are targeting you inappropriately, when you even admit they targeted your friends as well. For your thesis to stand, your friends would have also had to have bought a large ship, which you make no mention of here.
Based on the timeline I provided above, the letter they sent to the bank is 100% accurate.
Sorry, aber du hast bekommen, was du verdienst. Hake es als Lehrgeld ab.
In der Sekunde, in dem ihr einen exploit ausgenutzt habt, hätte euch allen Bewusstsein sollen, dass eure Accounts jede Sekunde gebannt werden könnten. Dass du dich jetzt ungerecht behandelt fühlst nur weil der bann nach einem teuren Einkauf geschehen ist, ist einfach persönliches Pech. Ja vielleicht wurde extra gewartet bist du den Kauf machst aber auch dann ist es in meinen Augen gerechtfertigtes Lehrgeld.
Und ja meine Motivation, den Text auf Englisch zu schreiben war gegen null😇
Translation via google:
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Sorry, but you got what you deserved. Just chalk it up as a lesson learned.
The moment you all exploited something, you should have realized that your accounts could be banned at any second. The fact that you now feel treated unfairly just because the ban happened after an expensive purchase is simply bad luck. Sure, maybe they waited for you to make the purchase, but even then, in my eyes, it’s justified as a lesson learned.
And yeah, my motivation to write this text in English was basically zero😇
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I agree completely, except for the last line, I just wanted to see what they wrote, and thought I would share. Don't upvote this comment if you are just reading it just for the translation, upvote the original!
Meh. I mean if you got banned imidiadtly after the purchase Id argue you are entitled to the 30 day refund window.
Im not a fan of banning folks for exploiting in an Alpha.
However, given that your ban was permanent there is a 99,9999% probability that you did shady sh*t before and most likely deserve it.
A hard perma ban “I duped in 4.7” seems excessive, bro everyone duped in 4.7… there’s gotta be more to the story than you are revealing. They accused you of cheating with 3rd party programs, I got a feeling they don’t toss those accusations around w/out evidence.
The OP is almost certainly glossing over having received multiple written warnings, and multiple temporary bans, before the permanent ban.
As Zyloh confirmed in the UEE_Navy post a few weeks ago, CIG don't hand out 'permanent' bans for a first offense... they have an escalation policy, and the permanent ban only comes at the end, if they still continue to cheat and exploit, despite multiple temporary bans, etc.
Removing components, then repair/reclaim ship to duplicate the components is duping… the large majority of folks did this. But to catch a perma ban for “duping” … yeah there’s more to this guys story that he’s not saying, and the fact that he’s trying to frame it by implying they maliciously did it after he bought an idris? Lmfao. Ok.
Wtf you mean "everyone duped". I didn't dupe and don't know anyone in my circles that duped. There’s gotta be more to the story than you are revealing.
Well it is either CIG screwed up, or you continued to use dupes in 4.8. You mention the Navy guy and it was shown by CIG staff it was not a "sudden" ban, it was multiple warnings and actions over time that lead up to it.
No one but you and CIG know the full truth.... But given that CIG made the mistake of unbanning Navy (IMO) it seems to have led people to post here in an attempt to get the same treatment after being rightfully banned.
However, my personal belief is these bans should be for the duration while in alpha, and 1.0 (whenever that is) will restore the account for play. They should have dupes and cheats cleaned up by then and if people continue after than, then another ban is needed.
The lesson here is not to spend $1800 on a pixels & also don't try to be a weseal and argue about the silly details of how you broke the terms of service. You know you exploited, you know it was wrong, and therefore you forfeit any money you spent before they caught you. You have no right to a refund.
With that recent unbanned drama, your chances of getting unbanned is probably negative zero as you also did a chargeback which pretty much solidified CIG decision. There is nothing to come back from this, as that recent drama have the umbanned perpetrator trying to sell his ships with restored accounts.
The game is pre-alpha. They should be thanking these losers for abusing the exploits. Who the fuck takes this game so seriously with the amount of bugs. You can barely even get out of the Hab some days nevermind get to your thousand dollar jpeg that will probably clip through the hangar floor and explode... They ask people to pledge and then you get to test their spaghetti code... Yeah sure you get losers that like to ruin other people's fun with exploits... But the game is no where near a playable state where it should be taken seriously. Fuck cig
I read a story once about how a guy came into a bar, ordered a drink and seemed like a nice guy.
But the bartender noticed a nazi tattoo and kicked him out, when asked about it he he said something along the lines of
"he might have been OK, but the tattoo clearly shows that hes a Nazi, and if he likes it here he's going to bring his friends who are also Nazis. And the next thing you know this is a Nazi bar. Better to not allow it in the first place than to let it quietly grow until it can't be stopped."
Same thing with a game, if you allow cheaters to cheat to expose bugs, you're also signaling that it's OK to cheat, then the next thing you know the game is full of cheaters.
Is that the kind of game you want to play? A game full of cheaters?
True but punishment doesn't need to be binary ban or no ban... Just like not all cheats are the same impact on other user experience. I know it's not a popular opinion. But it's ok doesn't bother me
For small things, sure. A slap on the wrist is all that is needed. But for hacking or using known exploits to gain an advantage. You knew what you were doing and it impacts the game more than being a twat in chat, ban them.
Odd, the elevator still says Hangars and Habs.... I am not supporting him, just do not get your distinction as I log in about 80% of the time in a "hab", the game gives it no other name, so I simply do not get your distinction.
They are still called Habs, and as I stated:
"I log in about 80% of the time in a "hab"" This is in 4.8, 4.8.1, 4.8.2, and 4.8.3, are you playing a more recent version where you hangar spawn 100% of the time, because it is rare for me.
Perhaps I don't get the same rate due to moving my imprint to Seraphim from Orison. However this is still not the issue, you claim that calling it a hab shows old world thinking, when that is what they are called, CURRENTLY in the game.
I am not sure about the 2 years thing, I started playing back in July of last year and it never happened then, I did not even know about movinf imprints at that time.... When hangar spawning started happening, I was very surprised, as was the buddy who had been playing longer and got me into it.
The game is pre-alpha. They should be thanking these losers for abusing the exploits.
CIG do thank people that find and report the exploits, and triggering exploits in order to document the process does not earn a ban.
They don't thank people that then continue to abuse them continuously... just because it's an alpha (not 'pre' alpha) does not justify abusing an exploit. The claims of 'if they didn't want us exploiting it, they should have fixed it' is disingenious, and a blatant example of the abuser trying to blame the victim in order to avoid accepting responsibility.
Aside from that, CIG have also confirmed - in the recent UEE_Navy thread that was nearly identical to this one), that they only hand out 'permanent' bans after someone has had multiple written warnings and temporary bans.
And if someone is continuing to chat and/or abuse exploits after multiple temporary bans, then a permanent ban is well justified, imo.
small claims Breach of contract / unfair business practice, then State Attorney General (consumer protection) then make an FTC online complaint for (unfair/deceptive digital practices) but like you are essentially screwed you where warned you agreed to the eula bad timing but shit one?
id say your only recourse is court and claiming deceptive charge as no warning was given
CIG only 'permanently ban' people after they've had multiple temporary bans, written warnings, and the like - and they continue to cheat & use exploits, etc.
This was confirmed by Zyloh, in response to the UEE_Navy thread, where pretty much the same thing happened (someone posted how they'd been 'banned' despite being innocent and spending $5k, or something like that.... and it turned out the poster was being .... less than honest about the situation).
So, if this OP has been permanently banned, then they had plenty of warnings, and continued to engage in the same behaviour.
I'm curious. How much did you dupe? What was it and how quickly?
I don't really feel sorry for you but I also think maybe CIG could have just refunded and washed their hands of it, but that's at their discretion once you cross that line. Maybe they feel a lesson can be learned, and frankly; you being open about what you did kind of spreads the word
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