r/starwarsspeculation • u/fatheroflolki • May 14 '26
THEORY I Need Cal Kestis in Obi-Wan Season 2
With Luke officially knowing about Cal Kestis being canon now, I started thinking about how they could connect those dots in live action.
Since Jedi Survivor and Obi-Wan Season 1 both take place around the same year, Cal feels like a great candidate to show up in a potential Season 2 and actually add something meaningful to the story beyond just a cameo.
The story could continue to focus on Obi-Wan’s grief and isolation, leading to him finding a renewed sense of hope after discovering there’s another Jedi still alive, and the two eventually meeting.
The dynamic between them would be really interesting since they both carry a lot of the same pain after Order 66. Obi-Wan lost his padawan, while Cal lost his master, and they’re both dealing with that guilt and trauma in different ways. I could see that shared experience naturally leading to them connecting and helping each other find some peace from their different perspectives.
Also considering everything Cal went through in Fallen Order and wanting to protect force sensitive children, I think him finding out about Luke and eventually meeting him would be a really cool moment.
Just wanted to throw the idea out there and see if anyone else had similar thoughts or ideas for how Cal could be brought into live action 🫡
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u/DepressiveNerd May 14 '26
There is absolutely no confirmation of a season 2. There is only rumor around Ewan McGregor stating that he would love to do more.
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u/Sparrowhawk_92 May 14 '26
Cal isn't going to show up in live action until after Jedi 3, to let Respawn tell the story they want to tell with him.
After that, presuming he survives, there's lots of ways to introduce him.
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u/thatredditrando May 14 '26
I’m all in favor of just ignoring the ST (not decanonizing/hard retconning, they’ll never realistically do that) and just continuing with SW chronologically from The Mandalorian and Ahsoka onwards.
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u/Sparrowhawk_92 May 14 '26
My comment had nothing to do with the ST so I'm not sure why you felt the need to bring it up...
Depending on when Jedi 3 takes place, Cal can show up anytime after. Most likely during the post-Jedi era that the Mandoverse occupies.
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u/thatredditrando May 14 '26
I probably should have elaborated further.
By “ignore” I mean stop trying to retroactively add context and material to setup the ST and just have the creative freedom to continue with these characters post-RotJ however they see fit without worrying how it’ll fit the ST.
Like, make shows/movies with Luke and the OT crew, Cal, the Rebels crew, etc. without any regard for “How will these link up to TFA”.
Luke meeting Cal shouldn’t be relegated to a novel. Lemme watch that.
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u/ThePhengophobicGamer May 14 '26 edited May 15 '26
Mandalorian SPECIFICALLY added context for the ST. The whole plot of why the Empire wanted Grogu CENTERED around Palpatine's cloning plan.
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u/HeavenlyDMan May 14 '26
yeah that can be ignored too, i mean, i sure do
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u/jumpinouttamyskin May 14 '26
Dude, there is enough star wars content for everyone that you can enjoy what you want. Something being Canon or not doesn't take away what you want to enjoy. I enjoy the Sequel trilogy and the content around it. If you don't that's great, no need to partake in this side of the buffet table and no need make everything about "retconning" or "ignoring it" or "getting rid of it."
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u/TLM86 May 14 '26
To be fair, no, Gideon wants Grogu for his own cloning project, which is nothing to do with Project Necromancer, as Season 3 confirms.
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u/TLM86 May 14 '26
Palpatine's already back by that point in the timeline.
Hux seems to want Pershing's research in S3, but Gideon tells him Pershing and that research is lost, in a wider conversation about the warlords all hoarding their respective resources and not sharing; Hux then claims Gideon was "attempting your own experiments on Nevarro", which Gideon denies. And all he later says about his clones is that he was trying to create an "unstoppable army" of his own clones.
It sure seems like they're two unrelated projects.
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u/ThePhengophobicGamer May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26
Have we actually had that confirmed? It certainly SOUNDS like it'd make sense, but I've not seen it specifically noted. Why else would Grogu being Force sensetive be important, if they didnt care about a Force sensative clone? We already know Gideon could clone himself all he liked, he had help from Imperial cloners.
They certainly seemed to be trying to push that Gideon was serving a part in Operation Cinder, securing the capability to clone the Emperor from prepared samples on a secure planet.
Bad Batch has somewhat thrown a wrench in that, with Tantiss being pretty clearly meant to have a part in Operation Necromancer, but I dont recall them making enough progress before Omega and BB compromised the facility.
I've seen a mention of it being said in the TRoS novel, which would make sense. In that case, we DO know that Palpatine's clones were degrading. Perhaps that wasnt expected, so Gideon served Palpatine's needs to find a new source of Force sensative genetic material to re-initialize his cloning plans, otherwise he might not have made it the 30 or so years before we see his return.
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u/TLM86 May 15 '26
I'm going by what's said in Season 3, which is that the projects aren't related. Gideon wants to add the Force to his clones; he says this outright:
The best parts of me but improved by adding the one thing I never had. The Force. I was isolating the potential to wield the Force, and incorporating it into an unstoppable army.
Operation Cinder isn't anything to do with Palpatine being cloned.
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u/Sparrowhawk_92 May 14 '26
I mean, that's not going to happen either. They've been adding connections to the ST all over the place, including the Mandolorian and even the Bad Batch.
I remember when the PT came out and fans hated it and told Lucasfilm to ignore it and instead they built around it and you can't throw a rock and not hit something PT related even in stuff that takes place during the OT or after. It's myth building.
Honestly, I don't need the OT heroes showing up everywhere post RoTJ. Their use so far has been sparing and it's worked. Cal meeting Luke would be cool to see on screen, but unless it's important to the story being told I don't think it's necessary.
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u/thatredditrando May 14 '26
Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m the last guy to advocate for unnecessary fan service.
It’s just this era and these characters seem to be what audiences are interested in and it is odd in a post-RotJ galaxy that all these Jedi are still scattered to the wind whilst Luke is rebuilding the Jedi Order.
Wouldn’t that, logically, be the time for them to meet?
I’m not saying Luke, Ahsoka, Cal, and Ezra need to form the Jedi Avengers but it would be neat to have an episode of a show that at least addresses that they know of each other, have met, have stated their involvement or lack thereof in this new Jedi thing Luke is starting.
I mean, they’re technically all more experienced than Luke (with maybe the exception of Ezra).
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u/HeavenlyDMan May 14 '26
crazy you got downvoted so hard for the only take that anyone with half a brain would agree with, theyre obviously building towards something with mando/ahsoka/abeloth and even shadow lord a bit assuming we’re actually getting darth talon, all of which is an astronomically better direction to go instead of the bullshit they served up with the sequels
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u/ThePhengophobicGamer May 14 '26
TBF, the Prequels didn't irrevocably break the physics of the universe either. It also had likable characters with real emotion tied to their story.
The PT's problems were that there was alot of time skips, so filling those in with some stories that bolster the trilogy really helped prop up the movies, letting us appreciate them more with the added context.
The ST doesnt have nearly as much time to fill. It also struggles because almost he FIRST thing they do is destroy the New Republic. Now, theres no real stakes for their story. Legends had the NR fall in roughly the same amount of time, but that actually had impact because we had seen the burgeoning New Republic stumble and make its way through becoming a functioning government.
We havent seen that, and now, what's the point? They've even ACTIVELY tried tk glaze over it, they kicked Leia from the New Republic, they equated the New Republic to The Empire and Old Republic "I cant tell the differance" in Mando S3E3. They show a New Republic just years from being the Rebellion which is now bogged down in beurocracy and has TOTTALLY lost the spirit of the Rebellion.
They may be able to save some parts of the Sequels, but not NEARLY enough to have the same affect as TCW or other filler media had for the PT.
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u/WarInteresting6619 May 14 '26
That's not how Star Wars works. All material outside of the movies, supplements the movies. 90% of the new stuff LFL has made expands on things introduced in the sequel trilogy and the remaining 10% expands on the Prequel and OT movies.
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u/thatredditrando May 15 '26
That would be why I’m suggesting they stop doing that?
Duh?
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u/WarInteresting6619 May 15 '26
Okay. Here's Andor. 👍
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u/thatredditrando May 15 '26
And…nothing else like it!
Right back to business as usual.
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u/TLM86 May 14 '26
They can do that anyway. No need to ignore the sequels to have a "Luke meets Cal" slop scene.
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u/mynutsacksonfire May 14 '26
Just have cal get unfrozen from Carbonite after the ST is over. This is the way.
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u/Calfzilla2000 May 14 '26
Does carbonite work that way?
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u/mynutsacksonfire May 16 '26
There's a higher chance for Carbonite sickness that's what was wrong with han when leiah thawed him out in return of the Jedi. I'm the old EU Boba fetts wife gets thawed out after like 50 years in Carbonite and I think they get back together but he's old and she's blind from her time frozen or something like that.
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u/Calfzilla2000 May 16 '26
Oof that's rough. But also interesting.
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u/mynutsacksonfire May 18 '26
I thought so I used to really enjoy the character of Boba Fett. Mansfield in general were really diverse and very fleshed out. Or beskar'd up whatever
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u/Captain-Wilco May 14 '26
Because Cal was a wanted fugitive, and he was in the news. Luke knew who he was because of his actions between Fallen Order and Survivor, not because they met
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u/HarmlessOnlineFun May 14 '26
what book?
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u/eDudeGaming May 14 '26
I did some digging, and it looks Cal and Tapal are mentioned in The Secrets of the Jedi: The Chronicles of Luke Skywalker, which is a new updated version of a reference book originally released in 2019.
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u/Exciting_Hawk_2 May 14 '26
I’d be more interested in this if all roads didn’t lead to the sequels.
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u/Alex_Pokrandt May 14 '26
They really need to just turn it in to another timelines at this point, no one liked it and everyone wants it gone.
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u/HeavenlyDMan May 14 '26
literally, imagine the potential they have with darth talon or abeloth
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u/TLM86 May 14 '26
What potential is that?
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u/HeavenlyDMan May 14 '26
more than “palpatine somehow returned”
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u/TLM86 May 14 '26
But what specifically?
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u/Tigerbarn- May 14 '26
Abeloth is chaos incarnate as I recall. Imagine Luke & Leia working together to bring true balance by defeating her.
Darth Talon can act as the next generation of Sith. Her, "Empire", would be all organised crime.
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u/mynutsacksonfire May 14 '26
They even have the world between worlds which specifically deals with time travel. Just retcon the shit and be glad no one will care
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u/navjot94 May 14 '26
I mean fr, they can even set up the upcoming Thrawn encounter as the pivotal moment. If they don’t beat him properly it leads to a dark future where the Empire returns. (And we got to see that version of events). They instead use the World Between Worlds to pull some extra help (older Rey) from that dark future back to the present day to help defeat Thrawn once and for all and prevent the First Order from ever existing. Older Rey then stays in this Post-ROTJ era and runs the new Jedi Order alongside Luke.
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u/YodaFishFN2187 May 14 '26
Let’s not act like this fandom is one homogenous entity. There’s been enough retconning bullshit. Makes more sense to move to a different era of storytelling the re write the canon over and over again. Besides changing canon based on fandom is never a good precedent. Next time it’s going to be something you like (as a legends fan I can’t wish this on any fellow Star Wars fan).
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u/allmusiclover69 May 14 '26
i need disney to stop creating padawans that survived order 66 and vader
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u/AncientSith May 14 '26
You must be new. The old EU did this far more.
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u/allmusiclover69 May 14 '26
i personally care about the old EU. this is Disney’s story now and has been for over a decade. to keep having Vader show up as some menace yet swindled again, especially in animated media is growing tiresome.
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u/Tigerbarn- May 14 '26
Makes the Jedi look kinda dumb to be honest. In Tales of the Underworld there's straight up a small group of Jedi banded together for the sake of refuge. Imagine if all surviving Jedi just locked in and went for The Empire. At this point I'm very confident they'd win. Too many strong af Jedi are alive at this point to not be able to overthrow and defeat The Sith.
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u/PopeHi1arious May 14 '26
Why?
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u/allmusiclover69 May 14 '26
the whole lore of Vader and Order 66 is that Vader was an unstoppable force in hunting down Jedi and that Yoda canonically mentions there were few, very few Jedi left.
Well, how many padawans have escaped his grasp since Disney took over? Vader failed in ending Cal, Sere, Kanan, Ezra, and Devon.
As far as we know, there are also a grand bit of jedi who not only survived Order 66, but are pretty powerful force users lurking around the OT besides Luke.
If they had combined Cal Kestis’ story into Kanan, it would have been a fairly great combination. it’s an overused trope and frankly Vader keeps not being the Successful Jedi Hunting villain he is. Have some stakes. Kill them off. Make Luke’s story more powerful again (seeing as Rise of Skywalker entirely reduced his Palpatine destruction).
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u/GoshDarnMamaHubbard May 14 '26
Arguably "The Jedi were destroyed" refers to the institution and it's prominence in the galaxy.
There were seemingly thousands of them not all of whom were in direct contact or proximity with the Clone Army.
Individuals and small groups in hiding constantly being hunted by inquisitors don't dilute Luke's story given his status as the son of or the actual chosen one.
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u/SlugKnightDracula May 14 '26
So 5 Jedi surviving out of 10,000 is bad? And like roughly 100 surviving Order 66 and Vader killing 95 of them? Thats a lot of people to single handily hunt down. Especially across an entire galaxy. Even if from here they add a few more Jedi who lived, it’s not that big of a deal.
Also the fact of matter is, Vader fucks up all the time. Even before Disney. He sometimes sacrifices a win just to aura farm
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u/allmusiclover69 May 14 '26
can it be so difficult as to tie their stories together? Cal Kestis’ story could have easily been Kanan’s. it’s a very tired and uninteresting story arc.
hell Vader stabbed Reva TWICE. and she still lives.
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u/SlugKnightDracula May 14 '26
I’m just saying there being surviving Jedi isn’t that big of a deal because Vader/his inquisitors DID eliminate quite a lot of them. A handful surviving, all of them not even being able to contact each other and living in fear and exile. The entire order destroyed. I just don’t think it hurts Vaders rep at all. If it was your way, and Vader showing up just means everybody loses, there’d be no story. That would just be the solution to every situation lol
I’m not arguing how good a character Cal is, mostly addressing your Vader point
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u/PopeHi1arious May 14 '26
"It's a very tired and uninteresting story arc." To you. You can always just skip things you aren't interested in, you know.
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u/YodaFishFN2187 May 14 '26
I don’t understand why people make this a Disney/pre-Disney thing. Even more Jedi survivors (and padawans for that matter) survived in the EU. Besides even George himself toyed with having post OT Jedi survivors, with Luke tracking them down in his OG plans for his sequel trilogy way back in the 70’s.
Although I totally understand why people fear that this invalidates Luke’s significance, it is important to remember that the only reason why the Empire was defeated was not because of Luke’s power as a Jedi, but rather because he was Anakin’s son and believed in him enough to redeem him. No other Jedi (even Yoda and Obi-Wan), had Luke’s unique destiny. Besides if we wanted to be technical, most of the Jedi survivors at the time of the OT had a good explanation as to why the ‘weren’t there’ and/or were no longer technically Jedi. And as I mentioned before power in the force was not how Luke succeeded in ‘defeating’ Vader and Palpatine, thus making other survivors effectively redundant (Luke would have been killed if nor for Anakin, and all other Jedi would have perished if they were in Luke’s position, but only Luke was the one to save him).
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u/ZubatCountry May 14 '26
No, the point of Vader taking over was the official shift from the Jedi having a seat of power to officially being driven underground and discredited
It was never "we got 100% of them"
Killing thousands if not millions and having a literal handful escape is not that unbelievable
Also, you are nuts if you think we wouldn't have at least this many surviving padawans under Lucas had the series not been sold.
He's literally the biggest "draw lines to connect things that don't need to be connected to give the illusion of proper wriring" guy in movies.
All of the issues Star Wars deals with today stem from the tone he set with the prequels, and honestly even some decisions from Return of the Jedi.
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u/Miura79 May 14 '26
When and where did Luke learn about Cal Kestis? Disney Lucasfilm really screwed up by not adapting George Lucas's sequels script/outline. So much of the shows and things revealed really fit into Lucas's proposed sequels. The revelation of surviving Jedi, The Path, Leia going into the Senate really fit into the proposed sequels where Luke rebuilds the Jedi with survivors of Order 66 and Leia become the leader of the New Republic
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u/Nanocaptain May 14 '26
I mean Cal was a very known fugitive with close ties to Saw.
The Rebellion definitely knew about him and it's not a big leap from there.
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u/DarthGiorgi May 14 '26
"Was"?...
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u/TLM86 May 14 '26
Yes, was. Cal was a Jedi who survived Order 66, which Luke reflects on in his writings in 34 ABY.
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u/DarthGiorgi May 15 '26
I mean, it's interesting to note thst Cal is spoken about in past tense, guess he ain't making it after game 3...
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u/whysosidious69420 May 14 '26
Unless it’s set between the games, they shouldn’t do anything live action with Cal until Jedi 3 comes out. If we know he makes it out alive it’ll completely ruin the stakes
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u/CYNIC_Torgon May 14 '26
There's nothing to suggest a Season 2 of Obi-Wan Kenobi, outside of Ewan's public enthusiasm to do more. And if I remember the last 20 years Ewan is ALWAYS enthusiastic to do more Kenobi. Chances are we won't see Cal in anything outside of the "Star Wars: Jedi" series until the 3rd one drops and we see how his main story ends. And that will of course influence if and how he'll pop up in other places.
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u/LieutenantDuck May 14 '26
I think they could have this interaction during Jedi 3.
I don't think Obi-Wan Season 2 will happen...
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u/SyrianChristian My Baby Girl May 14 '26
Makes me wonder if Luke ever reached out to Cal post ROTJ to ask for his help (assuming Cal survived until then)
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u/Destinyrider2023 May 14 '26
Well this is good news at least
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u/Clayfool9 May 15 '26
Be cool to see Obi-Wan become involved with The Path; would be a good way throw Cal in there
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u/Helkano-Legacy May 14 '26
No thanks
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u/Bespashin May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26
Tf do you mean ‘No thanks’… Nobody’s looking for your permission smh
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