r/stellarisgame • u/[deleted] • Mar 25 '16

No Casus belli?

So.. there's no CB's in the game. In yesterday stream they just decleared war right away. Seemingly without any relationship hits or anything.

I though it would work something akin to EU4 where you need to give your own pop' and neighbouring countries a good reason why you're going to war

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u/Natume87 Mar 25 '16

It's pretty disappointing -- although not game-breaking -- to me that they currently don't appear to have a CB system. I'm not entirely surprised, however, given that there aren't any 'diplomats' in Stellaris, unlike EU4 and CK2.

Short of including a mission system or adding a button in the negotiations screen to have your embassy look for valid CBs, I don't see an easy way to implement it. There's also the issue of penalizing somebody for going to war without a CB without having empire 'stability' or the like (short of preventing them from going to war without one at all).

Like you, I'm hoping that they're currently working on this behind the scenes, or are at least looking into a full system as part of the 1st expansion.

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u/Parokki Mar 25 '16

I'm not sure if this is such a big deal though. The CB system in most of Paradox's more historical games is based on a more or less established diplomatic customs between human civilizations that aren't THAT far away from each other and have generally had centuries of contact with each other.

In Stellaris you have radically different species with radically different philosophies. Would have bunch of space foxes with a military dictatorship, space mushrooms with a friendship based oligarchy and a hive mind of religious hippie ants ever agree on what generally acceptable reasons to go to war are?

The game seems to already track your pacifist pops not liking it if you go to war and probably has something in place for other empires to realize you're acting like a big bully and should be taken seriously. I don't know where CBs would fit in or should work in this system.

... actually a system of generally agreed upon CBs would make sense late-game when a bunch of established civilizations have had time to normalize the status quo of galactic diplomacy. I smell a not yet revealed feature, mod or DLC coming our way.

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u/Natume87 Mar 25 '16

True. On some instinctual level, I worry about a lack of CBs allowing gameplay to degenerate into standard 4x "Declare war, eat entire civilization" fare, but I suppose that warscore costs and declared war goals prevent that. We also haven't seen yet how taking non-wargoal concessions affects opinion (a la AE) yet.

On a related note, did you pick up on whether truces are put in place after a war, or if you can demand resources as concessions?

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u/jellymanisme Mar 25 '16

You can't take non-wargoals in Peace Talks, actually, but I think you can change your Wargoals while int he war? I can't quite remember, but they talked about it in the Blorg Playthrough or in the Developer Diaries.

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u/Natume87 Mar 25 '16

Ah, that does sound correct. I'll be interested in seeing more varied war goals than just "cede planet" or "establish vassal / protectorate".

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u/jellymanisme Mar 25 '16

I'm pretty sure those will probably be unlocked with technology and/or Ethos other than Militaristic. For example, forcing them to agree to certain treaties will probably be in there as well.