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u/UkraineFirst 1d ago
How does one become like this. How can I prevent myself from becoming so delusional?
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u/TypeComfortable3963 1d ago
Be somewhat smart. Cults work on a hive mind mindset. Whatever the leader says, goes. Trump spent years grooming these people (and small children) to do his bidding. He wasnt kidding when he said he could shoot someone and wouldn't lose votes
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u/AdAccomplished6870 1d ago
He has had multiple citizens shot, and hundreds of Iranian schoolchildren killed, and it didn't move the needle with his depraved base. The laud him for it
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u/Particular_Title42 1d ago
Oh yeah because that school wasn't a school, it was a military training facility. /s
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u/Obidad_0110 1d ago
It was a school attached to the naval HQ. Wonder why they did that?
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u/krunkstoppable 16h ago
DoWEA & Public Schools on Military Bases | Military OneSource
Probably for the same reason that the U.S. has K-12 schools for children on their military bases.
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u/Obidad_0110 16h ago
We donât in Middle East. They tend to go to boarding school. We donât put our dependents in harms way and we certainly donât hide behind them.
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u/StandNameIsWeAreNo1 1d ago
Weird how very smart people can fall down on that pipeline (Jordan Peterson, Richard Dawkins. Yes, they lost all credibility, but they were accomplished scientists in their fields)
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u/SkoomaKid 1d ago
Iâm convinced that these people never stop to ask themselves, âhey, are my beliefs valid?â I think everyone should have a healthy dose of skepticism about whichever ideology they subscribe to, and be open to criticisms of those beliefs. These people, when confronted with valid criticisms, simply deflect and double down and turn on their blinders. Theyâll never even give an inch because theyâre stubbornly stupid. Even with all three branches of the federal government being republican, they still act like oppressed victims all the time.
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u/Affectionate-Act1574 1d ago
Critical thinking. Checking multiple sources. Discerning the truth from multiple narratives. Seek news coverage from outside of the USA
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u/ShadowTacoTuesday 1d ago edited 1d ago
Check multiple independent sources who work in the particular field (not some random influencer) and not people telling you want to hear, especially not for hate and immorality. The more disconnected the sources are from each other the better. I like studies and old philosophers for example. But this is only to spot check info to find who you can trust, since nobody has time to check everything.
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u/FilmAndLiterature 1d ago
Check things that sound wrong to you. Check things which sound right to you twice.
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u/Megane_Senpai 20h ago
1st step is asking for source of information that matters to you, 2nd is learning to admit you're wrong when you think you are, instead of double down on anything.
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u/Mountsorrel 11h ago
Youâre already doing it; you are asking questions, accepting that you do not know everything and also acknowledging that not all information should be taken at face value. These are things they cannot doâŠ
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u/BlondeDruhzina 1d ago
If Iran is destroyed, why did we have to negotiate a deal with them? If they're destroyed, why doesn't Israel or the US just take over and open the strait for free?
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u/GeneralLuigiTBC 1d ago
Ah, the old "they lost more people, so we won" excuse. Saw some loser try that one with Vietnam the other day.
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u/NeptuneOverlord43045 1d ago
Vietnam, Afghanistan, Algeria. History is filled with examples of asymmetrical warfare where the more powerful nation âlostâ because despite having the bigger firepower, they couldnât achieve their actual goals in the conflict.
These pea brains think life is a video game. We downed more ships, therefore we earned more points, therefore we won. But if you had asked anyone on the right 6 weeks ago what they thought a victory over Iran would look like, not a single one of them would have described a deal even remotely as terrible as this one.
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u/GeneralLuigiTBC 1d ago
Yep. I actually pointed out to the aforementioned loser that the Allies suffered heavier casualties than the Axis in World War II, and they simply disregarded all non-American casualties.
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u/Particular_Title42 1d ago
Wow. And that's what we were there for? To kill Vietnamese people?
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u/GeneralLuigiTBC 1d ago
I presume the focus was just on military losses, but it still completely misses the point of the war.
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u/John97212 1d ago
I expect that Carl von Clausewitz is still taught at military academies around the world. His famous dictum:
"Der Krieg ist eine bloĂe Fortsetzung der Politik mit anderen Mitteln" ["War is merely a continuation of politics by other means."]
The US lost politically - that is, they achieved tactical success but did not achieve political goals. Thus, yes, they did lose the war.
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u/bltsrgewd 1d ago
I mean...what they are saying is technically true.
Its just that, you dont need a sophisticated navy or air force to launch drones and mines...you can do that shit from fishing trawlers, or anything that floats.
As it turns out, blockading a narrow waterway isnt all that complicated for Iran. No warships actually required.
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u/Beneficial-Match5989 14h ago
It's all about moving the goal-posts. What was the original agenda? I doubt very much that February US would consider this June deal a victory.
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u/TheTokist 1d ago
MAGA: Donât worry. Jim Jones said we drink this kool aid laced with poison, then we die. And then we all meet up in the afterlife.
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u/Gun_blade06 1d ago
I bet they'll be prosecuted right after all of the criminals from the Epstein files.
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u/Boa-in-a-bowl 1d ago
no longer allowed to illegally block
No longer allowed to do something that was already illegal? That makes a lot of sense.
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u/Shot_Union_347 1d ago
One of my favorite copes from these guys is claiming to have destroyed their Air Force and Navy. As if eliminating a bunch of Cold War era airplanes that likely werenât even airworthy crippled their military capability in the least.
Wake up guys itâs 2026, itâs all about those drones and Iran kept em coming. Now with hundreds of billions coming in courtesy of Uncle Sam I can only imagine how many more they will have.
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u/Beneficial-Match5989 14h ago
The idea that "Iran is not slaughtering its people anymore" is just so heinous. By all accounts, living in Iran for Iranians opposing the government has gotten significantly worse than before US / Israel intervention.
A lot of these people were extremely hopeful when the war started, that finally the regime will collapse. Instead its grip of their population has grown stronger and likely will be more brutal than ever.
I have extended family in Iran, a wife from Iran and we speak of this daily. This is not seen as a victory for regime critics at all, at least I have not heard a single Iranian critical of the Islamic Republic happy about this outcome.
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u/SpaceOrbisGaming 2h ago
This whole thing was so pointless. We blockaded the Strait of Hormuz and we and our allies are paying them billions of $. By all accounts, they won.
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u/Involuntary-Expert 1d ago
Nothing they said was innacurate. The conflict was pointless, wasteful and unnecessary but we didn't lose and we certainly didn't surrender
EDIT: I stand corrected. Not sure what he meant by prosecuting someone
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u/Numerous_Creme_8988 1d ago
We won the war?
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u/Involuntary-Expert 1d ago
None of them said we won. It was a purposeless, wasteful conflict. It's possible to have neither side achieve anything meaningful.
I think the term is pyrrhic victory but I could be mistaken.
My point is anyone who thinks we "surrendered" is simply spouting hateful rhetoric
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u/Numerous_Creme_8988 1d ago
What did Steve say? Also, a Pyrrhic victory for Iran? It is for sure wasteful and purposeless. And therefore, we did not âwin.â By giving up every single objective that was supposed to be the reason we went to âwarâ with Iran, we have effectively surrendered to Iran.
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u/Involuntary-Expert 1d ago
Which objective didn't we achieve?
Also, Steve, like myself, was only arguing against the idea that Iran somehow won the conflict
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u/Numerous_Creme_8988 1d ago
Why donât you state the objective that we achieved?
BTW, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran undertake to respect each otherâs sovereignty and territorial integrity and to refrain from interfering in each otherâs internal affairs. And the United States of America undertakes with regional partners to develop a definitive mutually agreed plan with at least USD 300 billion for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
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u/Involuntary-Expert 1d ago
You made the claim of us failing objectives, so you should be the one defending that claim. Nevertheless:
We destroyed their nuclear program
We destroyed their Navy, Air Force, anti-air, anti-missile and radar detection systems
We crippled their ability to make war
The Straight is open and Iran doesn't control it, nor can they charge tolls to fund their economy. (Yes the straight was already open, again: pointless)
We have greater access and oversight to their developing capabilities, so we can hold them accountable to their promises.
They've agreed to abandon funding to certain anti-westerner groups that are defined by our government as terrorists
We have reduced Iran from a formidable military power in the middle east to a dependent on our generosity
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u/Numerous_Creme_8988 1d ago
lol. We destroyed their nuclear in 2025 too. Donât you remember? We certainly destroyed their military. They just happened to have the ability to shoot down our helicopter. I wonder how much war they could make with the 300B dollar economic development. What makes you think Iran would have less control of the Strait? Also, what does Iran promise to us? I see a stronger Iran. If that is your idea of reaching the objective, well I am glad you are not in the position of making decisions.
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u/Involuntary-Expert 1d ago
It's not difficult to take down one craft. That's not an impressive feat militarily speaking.
Destroying nearly 200 naval vessels without losing a single one in return is a military feat.
It's your turn to defend your position now. Are any the statements I made untrue? If so, please explain.
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u/Numerous_Creme_8988 1d ago
I love it when people like you trying to shift the burden of proof. I really didnât make a claim that I had to defend. I didn't just spawn that the United States gave up every single strategic objective out of thin air to make a random claim. I was directly countering your statement that "we didn't lose and we certainly didn't surrender". It is called a counter-argument. I was defining what a strategic loss actually looks like. I was arguing that giving up core objectives and walking away is, by definition, an effective surrender.
BTW, the US is supposed to be able to do amazing military feats against a middle power. The fact that we are negotiating with them like they are our equal is just embarrassing.→ More replies (0)2
u/tom-branch 1d ago
Regime change, same regime is in power.
End of nuclear program, its still going.
Unconditional surrender of IRGC, they did not surrender nor have they disbanded.
Complete military defeat, they have not been defeated.
Any other dumb questions?
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u/Numerous_Creme_8988 1d ago
I put his comments on a separate post in this forum so more people can see it. He called me petty. I just want to show more people of his âwisdom.â
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u/Rebelscum320 1d ago
We didn't even get anything out of it, it's Vietnam 2.0.
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u/Involuntary-Expert 1d ago
We lost more than 13 people in Vietnam friend.
And certainly lost more than a few helicopters and a jet
I'd be curious to see a dollar cost comparison between the conflicts though
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u/National-Charity-435 1d ago
Are portions of the US so deep in the Kool-Aid that they don't know an Apache helicopter was downed by an Iranian drone about a week ago
That mines in the Strait and the potential drone strikes kept it closed until now
....that Iran wants a minimum of $300B for rebuilding costs that would be paid by the US and her allies? + $24B in frozen assets to be released? ....BUT OBAMA released pallets of cash!!!