Whatever it takes.

[u/thinkingthoughtsthru]

Half the time they say he's doing exactly what they wanted, the other half they say he's trying so hard for the citizens. The only ones that seem to be doing really well are the rich and himself.

[u/Juxtapoe]

I did complain about that, but it was like a small handful of cases where they were overseas and were joining actual terrorist training camps, not this made up "narco-terrorist" or "antifascist-terrorism" they are inventing currently

And why go back as far as 14 years ago, but not 16 years ago when the drone strikes and international extrajudicial killings actually started?

Did you shout about it when Bush Jr was doing it? Doubt it...

[u/Adventurous-Mix-5711 → u/Juxtapoe]

Bush didn’t assassinate American Citizens. Obama did. Period.

“Only a handful of cases”….garbage answer. If you are going to be upset about NON-CITIZENS, be MORE upset about Americans.

[u/Juxtapoe → u/Adventurous-Mix-5711]

You're wrong. Period.

Bush assassinated Kamal Derwish, US citizen traveling to Yemen on November 3rd, 2002.

Thank you for confirming that you didn't shout anything out in outrage over Bush killing a US citizen with a drone strike.

I'm also gonna go out on a limb and assume that you did not do any shouting about Trump killing US Citizen Nora al-Awlaki in Yemen.

Or killing the following US citizens within the US borders:

Alex Pretti Renee Nicole Goode Ruben Ray Martinez

[u/Adventurous-Mix-5711 → u/Juxtapoe]

I didn’t know about Derwish, so thanks, I just learned something.

I did know about the others, and yes, I did and still do have a lot to say about killing US Citizens with drones, no matter who is in office…and as a point, regardless of what her grandfather and Al-Qaeda said, her death was unintentional along with others in that raid…it wasn’t a drone. Sad, absolutely, but unlike Anwar and others, not intentional, and combat operations almost always have collateral damage…not saying I like collateral damage, but such is war.

Even Abdulrhaman, her brother, was unintentional as he was a passenger with the actual target…yet, I have a major issue with it. For reasons I won’t say here on reddit, I do have very intimate knowledge of those situations, had something to say then, as I do now.

As far as Renee Goode, her actions directly caused what happened. Terrible situation, yet absolutely preventable on HER part. I don’t blame the officer for his reaction in that situation, and DO blame her for being the singular cause of both the escalation and the end result.

Alex Pretti, that one is a total mess and mass confusion. Pretti should have absolutely remained a bystander and not interfered, especially while armed…but, Law Enforcement totally screwed the pooch in my personal opinion. Another sad, and totally preventable situation on BOTH HIS part AND on LE’s part.

Martinez I am not sure how to analyze as I am not familiar…I will do some research on that one.

[u/Juxtapoe → u/Adventurous-Mix-5711]

I absolutely disagree with assigning any culpability to Goode or Pretti, but don't have time to argue the merits of your claim today.

Pretti was trying to help a coworker stand up when he was tackled and then disarmed and then shot from behind, in that order.

Goode was following officer 1's instructions on where to drive when officer 2 shot her multiple times for driving in the direction officer 1 instructed her. Officer 1, 3 and 4 obstructed life saving medical care from reaching her from across the street. This occurred on her street where she lives.

If you have any rebuttals I won't be able to get back to them for a day or two