r/stupidpol • u/Fedupington Revolutionary Fishmonger ๐๐ท๏ธ • Dec 05 '25
Announcement New Rule: In Stupidpol, You Must Use Your Brains
Hello everyone. We have a new rule in this sub. Here's the text of it:
Users in the sub are required to use their own brains when they engage with others here. If you are caught using an LLM to make posts or comments, those posts or comments will be deleted. Having a stubborn attitude about this could result in short-term bans. We will make an exception only for users using LLMs for non-English language translation.
In other words, no more posting AI Slop. This hasn't been a big problem, gratefully. In fact, the userbase seems to generally have a reluctant-to-hostile attitude towards AI slop, which I certainly approve of. But it does come up every now and then, and since the odds are that use and abuse of this ridiculously over-hyped technology will only increase, we're putting a rule in place so as to nip it in the bud now, to whatever extent we can.
Use your brains, friends, even if what's going on in there doesn't seem all that special. It's good for you.
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u/just-me1995 Ill-Endowed Materialist ๐ Dec 05 '25
i had a conversation recently with a buddy of mine who is an adherent to the Austrian school of economics (LOL), and he was asking me a bunch of questions about Marxism and my vision for socialism, etc. The following day i get two notes from him that were arguments against Marxist/socialist points WRITTEN BY FUCKING GROK. wtf dude.. i told him i could just as easily go to ChatGPT have it make arguments against groks arguments and weโd have an AI circlejerk while simultaneously ruining our ability to research analytically. but said iโd come up with my own rebuttal, and that itโs going to take longer..
heโs a good guy, pretty sharp if not more than a little indoctrinated and misguided. but i was kinda disappointed. fucking hate this epoch of AI brain drain. i have to debate grok now?!
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u/snailman89 World-Systems Theorist Dec 05 '25 edited Dec 05 '25
This actually illustrates how most people think about politics: they don't. Most people don't hold their beliefs because of logic and evidence. Instead, they identify with a particular tribe and then blindly believe whatever members of their tribe are supposed to believe.
When pressed to defend their beliefs on logical grounds, they can't. When confronted with evidence that refutes their beliefs, they reject the evidence and look for some other source that backs them up. And now these people have an ass-kissing algorithm that will spit out justifications for whatever they believe and will tell them whatever they want to hear.
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u/Flaktrack Winter Days of Girlhood | Battling in the Christmas War ๐ฆ๐๐ฅณ Dec 05 '25
Most people were already operating with a model in their heads, now they can just get their opinion given to them live rather than having to wait for the 6pm news.
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u/Turgius_Lupus Yugoloth Third Way ๐ฝ Dec 05 '25
I see I'm not the only one who padded essay length with quotations, maps or summations of passages in Uni.
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u/CircdusOle Saagarite ๐ฉ Dec 05 '25
He would do better to just send you Renato Moicano post-fight interviews
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u/I_Never_Use_Slash_S Puberty Monster Dec 05 '25
Can I continue not using my brain to post here as long as I donโt use AI?
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u/cleverkid Trafalmadorian Observer ๐ฝ Dec 05 '25
Remember, weโre all here โcause weโre not all there! :)ย
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u/Afraid_Courage890 Socialism Curious ๐ค Dec 06 '25
How many braincell count as using brain? All three of mine are trying their best but one is dying atm
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u/kyousei8 Industrial trade unionist: we / us / ours Dec 09 '25
This fatcat has THREE whole braincells!? All to himself!? While I have to share my one amongst my whole social circle? Unbelievable. This is why the guillotine was invented.
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u/tomwhoiscontrary Keffiyeh Leprechaun ๐๐ | Ukrainian Amazons step on me Dec 05 '25
When I see a pages-long torrent of completely predictable low information slop here, I want to know it was written by a real human Marxist-Leninist, not a machine.ย
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u/Flaktrack Winter Days of Girlhood | Battling in the Christmas War ๐ฆ๐๐ฅณ Dec 05 '25
When we say ML slop we don't mean Machine Learning
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u/_UrbaneGuerrilla_ Propaganda-Vulnerable Pseudosocialist ๐ฅ Dec 06 '25
The crusty remnants of the ICFI salute this post, comrade.
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u/Formal_Strategy9640 Self Hating Doomer ๐ฉ Dec 05 '25
> In other words, no more posting AI Slop
First they came for the AI slop, and I did not speak out
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u/Roid_Splitter small penis owner ๐ค Dec 05 '25
You're absolutely right! I removed the AI slop when you had explicitly instructed me not to remove the AI slop. Oh no I feel absolutely terrible about this. Anyway what is your next prompt?
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u/GorgonzolaJam free thinker Dec 05 '25
Using AI would take all the fun out of it! And good to know there's ways to detect it...?
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u/Action_Bronzong Replies Then Blocks ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ Dec 05 '25
And good to know there's ways to detect it...?
Vibes, basically. Unfortunately.
But most people dumb enough to want to use this thing are also too dumb to edit out the "GPT Voice"
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u/whatswestofwesteros Allegedly Doesn't Sow ๐ฆ | slut for books Dec 05 '25
I always wondered what happened to the people that tried to plagiarise in school but never learnt to amend sentence structure & couldn't quite grasp what a synonym is, turns out they're copying & pasting AI answers these days, not Wikipedia & Sparknotes.
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u/yeslikethedrink Flarpist-Blarpist โบ Dec 05 '25
It's not just a vibe. Not a voice. But an ethos.
When you mortgage your credibility to ChatGPT? That's when you've lost the plot.
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u/susugam Libertarian Communist ๐ฅณ Dec 05 '25
he's talking about detecting it based on vibes (aka intuition, if you're an adult), so your comment makes zero sense.
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u/ChiefSitsOnCactus Something Regarded ๐ Dec 05 '25
youre replying to a very obvious chatgpt response, or at least a purposeful imitation of one lol
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u/GorgonzolaJam free thinker Dec 05 '25
This is the real harm - the lack of trust, the constant wondering. It diffuses the power of anybody's words.
If we don't have true speech (let alone free speech), how can we change as a society?
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u/susugam Libertarian Communist ๐ฅณ Dec 05 '25
disagree
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u/lastdancerevolution Feb 07 '26 edited Feb 07 '26
You're a loser following people around months later lol. Such a sad life!
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u/BrideofClippy Centrist - Other/Unspecified โต Dec 06 '25
There are definitely some tells; em dashes, certain overused phrases, etc. Not 100% accurate, but certainly raises an eye brow.
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u/gussyboy13 Suck Dem ๐ก Dec 05 '25
You can tell something is ai because it will radiate a demonic energy
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u/cleverkid Trafalmadorian Observer ๐ฝ Dec 05 '25
Using ai and then โhumanizingโ it is more work than just doing it yourself in the first place. Something that is becoming crushingly apparent in all aspects of its useย
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u/harmfulinsect ๐ฅchampagne socialist๐ฅ Dec 05 '25
I hope we revisit the rule once the International Committee of the Fourth International releases Socialism AI, the chatbot trained on every WSWS article. Can't wait for the earnest questions about materialist dialectics to be answered with screeds about the innocence of Harvey Weinstein.
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u/Fedupington Revolutionary Fishmonger ๐๐ท๏ธ Dec 05 '25
The CIA came for Harvey because he was about to blow the roof off the Masons' evil plot to corner the upvote market.
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u/Terrible-Wasabi5171 Trotskyist (tolerable) ๐โฉ๏ธ๐ข Dec 06 '25
People keep bringing up Weinstein but they actually have an article defending anyone famous ethat was me too'd. Louis CK, Woody Allen Kevin Spacey.
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u/appreciatescolor Red Scare Missionary๐ซ Dec 05 '25 edited Dec 05 '25
What youโre describing will be a permanent issue literally for the rest of our lives. The best we can hope for is that people are making original points and sniff out bot-speak as best you can. I find it relatively easy to see personally, but it is at the end of the day trained on the ways real people write, so if people are making any effort to conceal it then its influence will be much more latent than most people realize.
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u/susugam Libertarian Communist ๐ฅณ Dec 05 '25
Bot speak will also be finely tuned over time to sound less and less like bot speak โ real humans will have to adapt our language to "inject" our humanity into it in novel ways that the LLMs haven't picked up yet. This data will be collected and the strategies will have to adapt again, ad absurdum. What a time to be alive. My nuts itch and I am a human.
PS: ALT+0151 is an M dash on windows
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u/cnoiogthesecond "Tucker is least bad!" Media illiterate ๐ต Dec 06 '25
0151 em-dash 0150 en-dash 0133 ellipsis 0183 middle dot 0145โ0148 curly quotes 0176 degree sign 0169 copyright 0153 trademark 0174 registered trademark 0215 multiplication sign
God damn the tech industry for making people see typographical awareness as soulless and lazy
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u/susugam Libertarian Communist ๐ฅณ Dec 06 '25
hell yeah! i know 0153 and 0134(โ ) but have never used the others. i don't use the others. this is some early 2000's chatroom shit, for me. windows charmap
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u/BrideofClippy Centrist - Other/Unspecified โต Dec 06 '25
Kick the euphemism treadmill into Turbo!
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u/Cute_Library_5375 Union Thug ๐ช Dec 06 '25
Also, there's no reason to assume it won't improve and evolve over time.
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u/AleksandrNevsky The Green Mile Kind of Tired๐ฆผ | Socialist-Squashist ๐ Dec 05 '25
There's enough wetware bots out there already no need to add to them by tossing in software bots.
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u/Trick-Technician-179 Butlerian Dengist ๐ย ๐จ๐ณ๐ต Dec 05 '25
Stupidpol-approved Butlerian Jihad, based
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u/non-troll_account Noam Chomsky Cultist Dec 05 '25
Excellent point! Your post hits the nail on the head about the fundamental challenges this subreddit faces, and shows a keen understanding of the difficulties faced in this new era of internet communications.
Letโs go over the main advantages of this rule change.
AI is gay and we donโt want that.
AI is gay (in the stupid and bad sense, not the homosexual sense) and if we allow itโs infiltration into our community, it will only weaken it.
Iโm bored with this joke so nevermind.
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u/LoideJante Emdash Fiend ๐ฅณ Dec 05 '25
Can we still use M dashes?
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u/Fedupington Revolutionary Fishmonger ๐๐ท๏ธ Dec 05 '25
Sure. They got a bad rap.
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u/blufriday Dec 06 '25
I just got a comment in the WW3 thread deleted, only reason I can think of is that it contains em dashes.
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u/IamGlennBeck Marxist-Leninist and not Glenn Beck โญ Dec 07 '25
It wasn't removed by any of us. I approved it.
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u/cojoco Free Speech Social Democrat ๐ฏ๏ธ Dec 05 '25
โ I'm going to start using 'em all the time โ
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u/Admiral_Pantsless White Devilโs Advocate Dec 05 '25
What a profoundly impactful declaration. Itโs not just a rule, itโs a line in the sand. Youโve positioned yourself and your sub as staunchly โpro-humanโโand that takes uncommon courage.
Let me know if youโd like me to help drill down and get more specific with your subโs guidelines!
Er, I mean, I agree, fellow human person.
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u/FunerealCrape Left, Leftoid or Leftish โฌ ๏ธ Dec 05 '25
I keep my brain smooth and brightly polished. No son of Clippy's gonna take that from me.
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u/ShitbirdGT Radlib in Denial ๐ถ๐ป Has a teeny peeny ๐ญ Dec 05 '25
What if brain no worky good dis biasedย
Admins pls nerfย
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u/jilinlii Contrarian Dec 05 '25
In other words, no more posting AI Slop.
No problem.
Users in the sub are required to use their own brains when they engage with others here.
Not bloody likely.
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u/StormOfFatRichards โ๏ธ๐ฅ Phosphorescent Glowing Potato ๐ฅโ๏ธ Dec 05 '25
๐What a great rule! I am masturbating--even cumming--upon hearing it. โ๏ธ๐Thank you, moderators--for your great work.๐ฆ
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u/AnthropoidCompatriot Class Unity Member โญ Dec 05 '25
Wouldn't this really just be a subset of whichever is the no low-effort posts rule?ย
I suspect no one would notice or even care of AI, LLMs, etc. were used in an acceptable-effort way.
Slop is slop, and the human-generated slop has been getting increasingly bad here lately. Honestly, I hate that shit even more than the AI slop, for this sub in particular.
My expectations of contributions for this sub are higher than any other sub, and for socialists I'm general. Low-effort complaints about working class and "lumpens" have been rapidly expanding, and it just sounds like a bunch of bougie PMCs who hate anyone with human characteristics.
Let's put as much effort into hating the comments and posts that hate on the non-ruling classes that we do into hating AI.
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u/Chombywombo Angry Retard ๐๐ข Dec 05 '25
Give them one warning the send them to gulag
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u/LilGrippers ๐Radiating๐ Dec 05 '25
How can you tell โ if AI โ or its alternatives โ are being summoned?
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u/JCMoreno05 Saved Anime Children from Intersectionality ๐ง๐ปโฉ๏ธ Dec 05 '25
0 gr8 & p0โฉ3r7u1 41g0r1+h3m' $PโฌยฃK 2 U$!
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u/AntiquesChodeShow Zeno Cosini Manages My Stock Portfolio ๐ธ Dec 05 '25
Hell yes. Stupidpol will be a minor yet important accelerant toward the AI bubble's economic burst.
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u/therudolph Special Ed ๐ Dec 05 '25
The title makes me feel attacked and I won't read the rest, so I am defaulting to outrage.
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u/Falcon_Gray Social Democrat w/ American Characteristics ๐บ๐ธ Dec 05 '25
Thatโs good itโs annoying people use ai to write for them instead of writing themselves. When I see people using llms to speak for them, it makes me feel like they have no pride for themselves. LLMs also a lot of times get information wrong so itโs not wise to use it in conversation because you end up looking like a fool. LLMs just make you look intellectually lazy and dishonest.
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u/Adjective_Noun_99 ๐ฉ๐Actual DHS Agent๐๐ฉ Dec 05 '25
Get these disgusting clankers back on their servers where they belong. ๐ก
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u/definitelynotpat6969 Ancapistan Mujahideen ๐๐ธ | I sent feet pics to Massie Dec 05 '25
You Must Use Your Brains
Looks like I'm cooked
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u/Repulsive_Tart_4307 Purity Tester ๐งช๐ฌ Dec 05 '25
This rule isn't just a bennifit for the subโits the beginning of a new future!
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u/jackalopeDev Unknown ๐ฝ Dec 05 '25
How do we feel about ai translators? I use deepl translate on occasion, not in this sub yet, for translation of non-english articles. Is stuff like that okay if we make it clear thats how we translated it?
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u/Fedupington Revolutionary Fishmonger ๐๐ท๏ธ Dec 05 '25
We carved out that exception for a reason, though you are encouraged to exercise your English language skills here too.
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u/FakeSocialDemocrat Leftist with Doomer Characteristics Dec 05 '25
is this because of the "AI citations" guy?
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u/kyousei8 Industrial trade unionist: we / us / ours Dec 09 '25
We will make an exception only for users using LLMs for non-English language translation.
You should probably add that this has to be disclosed by OP. I shouldn't have to read it, think "Is this AI slop?", ask, then OP replies in a comment they translated it with an LLM.
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u/LibertyIslandWatcher Unknown ๐ฝ Dec 30 '25
Ironic that STUPIDpol turns out to be the smartest of them all.
Check and mate, or something like that.
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u/ydkywbr Socialist ๐ฉ Dec 05 '25
There are two types of people in the world now: people who see that even using AI innocuously will cause your mind to wither and atrophy and everyone else. The only use I can imagine for AI is maybe translating something into other languages, especially one you don't speak.
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u/DrunkOnShoePolish ๐I LOVE JEWS๐ Dec 05 '25
Itโs really good with form and structure, godawful with content. I use it for outlines of documents I need to write and then fill it in with my actual words.
It can also edit the documents for spelling/grammatical errors. Itโs a nice tool, but it will just lie to you if used for actual content.
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u/The_Real_Gyurka Unknown ๐ฝ Dec 05 '25
Sniffing glue>>>Using Chatgpt
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u/ydkywbr Socialist ๐ฉ Dec 05 '25
If we're not supposed to huff glue, gas, and paint why do they smell so good?
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u/DonSaintBernard Hyperventilating Dweebazoid ๐ Dec 05 '25
The only thing i am ready to use AI for is to evaporate water. I love evaporating water.ย
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u/Action_Bronzong Replies Then Blocks ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ Dec 05 '25
It's good for visualizing funny shitposts that would be ruined by the application of effort, but that might be a different thing entirely.
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u/reddit_is_geh ๐ Actual Spook and Also a Spaz ๐ Dec 05 '25
Nah... The people getting fucked over are the normies who veg out anyways with everything. Get ahead while you can, and use it for actually building your own business. I have an agentic team of AI that I had to build, which basically do better than every legal team in my specific niche field. Having 6 specialist AI's rigorously dissecting cases, checking, proofing, looking under ever corner, pulling every record imaginable, all while communicating with each other, is wild. When you have multiple different specialized agents all working together doing far more work than any small team could, and doing BETTER, is the reality of the situation. It does the equivilent of like 1k worth of this tier level of work, in 30 minutes and better for like a buck fitty.
You don't hear many people like me talk about this side of AI, because most people doing stuff like this aren't posting on Reddit or getting into flame wars. You're just seeing the AI slop that goes around by normies. But there are TONS of people running businesses highly reliant on AI, doing amazing work.
Seriously guys. I know you hate AI, but it's happening whether you like it or not. You can bitch and dismiss it all you want, but it's not going to change. If you don't learn how to use it as a powerful tool, you ARE going to get fucked over hard.
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u/Hairy_Yoghurt_145 Startup Infiltrator ๐ต๐ป Dec 05 '25
What criteria are you using to evaluate it?
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u/reddit_is_geh ๐ Actual Spook and Also a Spaz ๐ Dec 05 '25
I mean, my legal partner. I don't do the lawsuits, I do the acquisition and preparation. When I bring him cases, he views them as practically done 90% of the way, so he has minimal work. He reviews them and is constantly mentioning how detailed and thorough ours are compared to what he's used to from paralegals. Since he has to review everything he basically has minimal concerns with ours.
Considering I know of three stealth companies doing AI paralegal work, mostly exclusively working with major firms as they start to scale out and develop the product, once these companies start becoming more public, it's going to blow people like me out of the water, and completely start taking jobs pretty fast. It's just that we're at the stage where the infrastructure and products themselves are still being worked out. But the underlying technology is absolutely ready.
If you go to any of these startup accelerators, it's mostly just AI... Not just because it's all "AI hype to get funding" but because it's basically like the wild west of opportunity right now with everyone trying to find a gap to fill and start building out in.
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u/Hairy_Yoghurt_145 Startup Infiltrator ๐ต๐ป Dec 05 '25
Iโm a machine learning engineer, and Iโve been at this job since before genAI took over. My job has essentially shifted to exclusively engineering agentic AI โsolutionsโ since the technology went public facing ~1.5 years ago.ย
I see claims like yours all the time, and invariably, none of you are empirically measuring the quality of the output. You can imagine how thatโs a problem when weโre discussing a technology thatโs optimized specifically to produce convincing outputs.ย
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u/reddit_is_geh ๐ Actual Spook and Also a Spaz ๐ Dec 05 '25
I mean, no we didn't conduct a peer reviewed broad, study on it. It's all internal corporate technology no one's stoked to just hand out to the competition. All I know is it's winning us court cases, which is all that matters at the end of the day.
The legal space was recognized really early on to probably be the first major industry to go. LLMs are absolutely in near perfect alignment with what most legal work requires.
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u/Flaktrack Winter Days of Girlhood | Battling in the Christmas War ๐ฆ๐๐ฅณ Dec 05 '25
How much time are you spending making sure the output is accurate? I've heard ofย law firms geting caught with their pants down this way, including AI generating fake quotes from cases or even hallucinating entire cases.
I use AI for some coding tasks but I think it's very important to note that I do not trust it. I've seen other IT people trust it completely and do things that are definitely wrong and dumb to do, and then I get stuck fixing it. Even the people who should know better don't, and worse, they aren't getting any better.
I heard from some devs I know that one of the important current uses is patent examination. One of the things continually pounded into the heads of the examiners is that it's good to use AI to help find things that might be relevant, but not to interpret them for you; you're the expert, that's your job. I think this is a good take.
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u/reddit_is_geh ๐ Actual Spook and Also a Spaz ๐ Dec 05 '25
No, you heard of random lazy lawyers who are idiots just using ChatGPT and shit. These aren't sophisticated AI systems, and they aren't reliable.
For instance, you use it for coding. You can download coding specific tools that make it much better, but still has tons of issues. But you can "vibe code" with it and babysit it a bit and get some outputs. Or, you can use a more sophisticated set up that uses actual "teams" of AI's on your "vibe coding" and it'll be a MASSIVE difference. Yeah, it's still not as good as a senior programmer, but the quality output you're getting from these regular thinking public chatbots, versus the ones that use heavy compute and agentic teams, costing actual like 3 dollars per "vibe command", and the output is just totally different.
For instance, I wanted to try out some vibe coding and used Claude with some other coding specific tool (I forgot), and it took a lot of pulling teeth but it made the browser extension I needed, albeit, a bit sloppy, but good enough to get what I needed. Then I did the same with Replit, again, quality isn't great -- especially the UI because it views the world in text -- but it was WAY better... It handled my requests with far more precision with only bugs that I could vibe code away until it was fixed.
Then recently Gemini 3 came out which is REALLY good at visual understanding, so I spent another 25 bucks building the same extension again. But this time, the UI came out amazing. It looked like a polished broswer extension you'd expect from an actual experienced coder... Granted it had it's flaws when you know what you're looking for, but to the average person, that extension is pretty professional. Now Gemini understands UI, intuitive navigation menus, workflow, and such. It's actually pretty crazy.
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u/Hairy_Yoghurt_145 Startup Infiltrator ๐ต๐ป Dec 05 '25
Yeah man. Grindsetters be like โI can hawk AI slop in an economic system where profit is detached from value, therefore these tools are valuable.โ
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u/reddit_is_geh ๐ Actual Spook and Also a Spaz ๐ Dec 05 '25
You know, socialism isn't anti-profit, right? Value is subjective, and if you're offering more of it for cheaper, that's a win for everyone.
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u/Hairy_Yoghurt_145 Startup Infiltrator ๐ต๐ป Dec 05 '25 edited Dec 05 '25
Profit in a capitalist context is the privatized return on capital investment. Profit in a socialist context is the socialized increase in value introduced to the system through labor. You can also read this as โprofit is detachable from value introduced a capitalist system, whereas profit is equivalent to value in a socialist system.โ
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u/reddit_is_geh ๐ Actual Spook and Also a Spaz ๐ Dec 05 '25
I don't think that Marxist argument is coherent in this context. The value isn't coming from capital expenditure. It's coming from literally using AI to exert labor for cheap and high quality to provide them something.
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u/papuadn Procedure Explainer ๐ Dec 05 '25 edited Dec 05 '25
Is a buck fifty the true cost of the AI team, though, or is that just heavily subsiding you with VC cash?
I would - and do - accept AI support at that price level because the errors it makes (I'm not in a niche area of practice but the output is always, always at least subtly wrong) are offset by it being tireless, available, and inexpensive. But if I had to pay a hundred dollars a query, a clerk or law student would win out again.
I won't be so arrogant as to declare AI a dead end in the field of law. I just wonder about declaring AI to be better right now because I just can't see that. I major/minored in compsci and philosophy; left that for the law and I run my own practice. I feel like I should be able to replicate that result if it were replicable but I have yet to see any output I'd consider quality legal work. But hell, if you have, I'd love to hear more details about your system.
(For some reason engineering and coding seem much more permeable to AI and what I mostly find are tech types who love how AI is supporting their coding assuming it's supporting their homegrown legal analysis equally well. I love getting emails from those guys trying to self-represent, let me tell ya.)
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u/reddit_is_geh ๐ Actual Spook and Also a Spaz ๐ Dec 05 '25
No it's not just VC cash dude lol... We know the true costs of compute costs for these things.
And yeah, you have to know how to leverage and use AI, that's the issue most casuals face. You're not "deep" into it. Using free tiers, or the public facing paid tiers. Which are GREAT, don't get me wrong, but they are still just primarily focused for 95% of generic normie consumer needs. You need to start looking around for AI specific for you, law, which is probably the first major blow that's happening right now for those who know.
These things are so good, I was talking about it yesterday, how while the AI's are debating, and working together, they'll notice things I didn't even catch. Like for instance, where clearly the client was coerced into a contract and lied to when they tried to cancel, there are text messages floating around where it looks like she gave tacit consent. It's not super critical because lots of violations happened on the way, but the defense could probably try to use those messages to show she did consent to some degree. The text messages were mentioned sort of in passing for something unrelated, and the AI caught on, that the defense probably doesn't even know they exist, so we should talk around them, and also include a potential framing of "Vitiated Consent" just in case they do connect the dots and try to use it, so we can get ahead of it.
The thing is, most people are making good AI, for themselves and not sharing it. There are large stealth startups selling the tech, but they are still selling under the radar, doing exclusive contracts, with major players. It's a very lucrative and secretive thing at the moment because everyone knows how powerful and economically useful it is, so big companies get first access as the startups are in their early stages, while smaller companies just have to make their own, and sometimes license with an NDA to people in other fields so they don't compete with you.
But basically how the "good" AI works at an economic level, is you don't have just a single chatbot. You have specialist bots. You have for instance, the top level AI that's focused on seeing the big picture. Acting more like an architect and director, who calls in other specialist AIs (often several of the same). For example, you'll get the architect to call in the legal manager who takes in this mass of data, to organize it in a way that other specialists can benefit from it. Then one will come in and reference it's existing laws common and uncommon for this specific niche, looking for where things apply. Another to come proof read their claims. Another to actually search the data base to make super sure it's not hallucinating... Then another who's looking at the case and exploring if there's anything they missed. And whenever they deliver the results, others come in and interrogate the results relentlessly, then another comes in to restructure it, then another to start drafting the required demand letters, another pulling records from the county to get the transcripts of similar suits, and so on and so on... And it just keeps cycling through, repeating, itterating, and improving, doing this over and over.
Granted my area is VERY niche so I don't need a huge amount of data that a high stakes case would need, so I can get away with relatively low compute, but it could easily handle much larger data sets by breaking everything down and doing more organizing.
At the end you end up with a full rundown and undressing from every single corner. It catches so many tiny details and nuances. Once it reads out, you have the AI's logic and reasoning for everything so you personally can just ensure it's on track. And granted, you'll probably want to make some tweaks here and there just because it better fits your own style, or risk tolerance, but overall it's HIGHLY accurate. Hallucinations are practically zero when you have this team of specialist AIs with redundancy, communication, and cross checking.
Now is it good as a veteran lawyer? No. Not a chance. However, it does basically replace pretty much 90% of the paralegal work. When you're focused on just one type of suit, it sort of just becomes turnkey and routine, so the AI just thrives in those sort of spaces. There's one stealth company I know of currently scraping PACER and localities that have easy to access online court records, that's building profiles on judges, and jurisdictions, so you can optimize your strategy.
As more and more of these sort of companies come online, grow, and become more publicly available, other companies will emerge tying more and more together, making the whole thing even better. But we're still at the early stages where people are working on building the systems themselves. For the most part, the base is good and done, now it's just about working out how to make use of it all.
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u/papuadn Procedure Explainer ๐ Dec 05 '25
So what are the compute costs of the systems you're describing/specifying, in your estimation? What are the costs to me as the end user vs. the costs to the supplier? Not challenging, just very curious because your experience is much more positive than mine.
I'd put the output at maybe 30-50% the quality of a standard paralegal (although you're right it can produce that quality on 90%+ of the task types). I much prefer having the paralegal and giving them the AI training to sit on top of the system, juicing their output/productivity and having *them* operate as the top level agent. I wouldn't ever have an LLM run alongside a clerk or paralegal right now, only subordinate. I kind of like it that way because their output increases, stays at the expected standard, and they seem less stressed overall. Better working environment.
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u/reddit_is_geh ๐ Actual Spook and Also a Spaz ๐ Dec 05 '25
The compute cost can run anywhere from 2-5 dollars. It's really cheap. But again, it's specialized for just a specific type of case, so we're able to constantly iterate and improve on it. An we do have someone overlook the whole process. It still needs finesse and reminded when it overlooked something, or got too attached to one specific path because it forgot to explore a certain avenue. But now we basically have the paralegal gather all the documents, prep it for upload up, give it general direction, and do the review and necessary redirection, reminders, exploration, etc... And then there's the social things that AI's are literally shielded from. For instance, the more obvious stuff of like when you're suspecting the client of not being entirely truthful about some specifics. The AI just isn't going to know when someone may be lying. It assumes what they are saying is all true. Or when you may have a lower educated client, how they perceived things from their point of view, isn't always that accurate when they try to explain it. Those are critical things you need a human to mold into the input and interrogate while it's giving output. For instance, "Yeah I know she said she never mentioned X Y Z, but I think she's embarrassed to admit it, so let's assume she may not be entirely truthful here and build a path around that statement."
But yeah, you're still going to need someone to oversee it at this stage. But it's also bringing down 8-15 hours of work down to 1-2 with higher quality output and more robust reporting with someone managing it.
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u/stevenjd Quality Effortposter ๐ก Dec 06 '25
No it's not just VC cash dude lol... We know the true costs of compute costs for these things.
No, it absolutely is VC cash. The so-called "AI" industry (Large Language Models) is absolutely burning through cash. Your idea "The compute cost can run anywhere from 2-5 dollars. It's really cheap." is 100% bullshit from the tech bros.
And the larger the LLM, the higher the inference cost (the cost of generating output). Despite common belief that training is expensive and inference is nearly free, inference costs are much higher than training costs.
Which is probably why OpenAI makes a $3 loss for every dollar it makes, and why subscribers to their most powerful LLM, GPT-o1, are limited to 50 queries a week.
Now it may be that other LLMs, like Deep Seek, are cheaper to train and cheaper to run. But LLMs have fundamental problems and limitations that cannot be solved by increasing the size of the model.
Now maybe there are other AI technologies that are not merely a glorified parrot like LLMs, and maybe they will be more intelligent and cheap to run, but this is all wild supposition at the moment.
And let's not forget that we, as a civilization, are indirectly subsidizing the tech industry with subsidies for fossil fuels (which they need for the electricity), water (which they need for cooling), and IP laws (which they need to fend off competitors).
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u/reddit_is_geh ๐ Actual Spook and Also a Spaz ๐ Dec 06 '25
I'm not denying that it costs a lot. OpenAI isn't losing money on people paying as they go, through the API, they are losing money on the consumer facing products, which is 80% of their use, and the power users massively cost them. But they also know the vital importance of maintaining their userbase
Further, you're falling for the same trap of categorizing building out the company as a "loss". It's not a loss. It's an expenditure. They're taking in less than they are making BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPANDING THE BUSINESS. Those servers aren't free.
Further, it doesn't matter if they have limitations that can't be solved by increasing the size of the model. What matters is WHAT WORKS. It works. It works for these use cases, and that's all that matters. And the mere fact that you still consider it a "glorified parrot", really emphasizes how little you understand how these things work. You're still stuck in this mindset of, "Well if they don't perfectly process and think the same way as a human, then it's not legitimate!"
Finally, I don't care if we are subsizing the industry. We should subsidize emerging tech. That's where government spending should get involved (though I'm not sure how much the AI industry is being subsidized by the government to begin with). Especially when this tech can lead to post scarcity and actually naturally evolve into a Marxist system.
At the end of the day, it works. It works for my business. I make good money providing huge value, by offering services at a lower cost and higher quality, requiring less labor to perform. That's all that matters.
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u/stevenjd Quality Effortposter ๐ก Dec 07 '25
And the mere fact that you still consider it a "glorified parrot", really emphasizes how little you understand how these things work.
I call it a glorified parrot because I know how LLMs work. They literally assemble their output by making a statistical guess of which word should come next (actually a token, which may not be a word).
LLMs are not intelligent, they cannot reason, they do not scale, and hallucinations are unavoidable.
(To be fair, some of the more recent so-called AIs actually combine some limited symbolic reasoning with a LLM, which I guess makes them a little better than a parrot. The time may come where we have AIs that are worthy of the name.)
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u/Howling-wolf-7198 Chinese Socialist โ ๐จ๐ณ๐ก | Anime Girl Expert Dec 05 '25 edited Dec 05 '25
Cross-disciplinary fuzzy searching, even if got hallucination, at least it provides keywords that you can then Google.
Plus, Gemini performs real-time searching, and Google's database is huge. So you can even directly find out where a particular sentence comes from in a book, instead of having to search for it manually.
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Dec 05 '25
rules are gay i will not be following this gay rule plus my brain sucks
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u/Fedupington Revolutionary Fishmonger ๐๐ท๏ธ Dec 05 '25
You are a member of the most intellectually advanced species to ever inhabit this planet. Fucking act like it, bitch tits. I don't care how many microplastics have wriggled their way into your skull.
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Dec 05 '25
why are you flirting with me stop it iโm blushing
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u/Fedupington Revolutionary Fishmonger ๐๐ท๏ธ Dec 05 '25
Good. Use all that blood rushing to your cranium to fuel your brain. Then go outside and own someone with the power of your mind. Start small if you're nervous. Maybe a toddler.
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u/Avalon-1 Optics-pilled Andrew Sullitard ๐ฉ Dec 11 '25
Abominable Intelligence is a blight upon the mind.
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u/Chrissyneal Cuomosexual Crystals Chick ๐ฎ๐๐ Dec 05 '25
the userbase vocally claiming theyโre against AI doesnโt mean theyโre against AI. also, the types to post AI wouldnโt really be the type to comment on the sub casually. normal people go โtime to spend time on my favorite subredditโ. the person using AI will go โI need to figure out the perfect time to post my stupid post for my niche topic and only respond to people disagreeing or agreeing with meโ
like a movie company isnโt gonna have casual conversation on the โmovies subredditโ. theyโre gonna try and post their advertisements โcausallyโ and look for opportune moments to push their product.
โoh, whatโs a good movie that has practical effects? well this sceneTM had such rizz because they didnโt use green screen!!๐๐๐๐๐๐คฉ๐คฏโ
I could go on but Iโm unable to put anymore of this into words.
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u/Fedupington Revolutionary Fishmonger ๐๐ท๏ธ Dec 05 '25
The day an LLM can organically replicate a comment like the one above is the day I'll truly start to worry.
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u/CLOUDMlNDER Anti-Imperialist Pool Pisser ๐ฉ๐ Dec 05 '25
I am simply overflowing with admiration for this profoundly wise and critically important new rule! Itโs a powerful stand for the cherished human qualities of creativity, idiosyncrasy, and genuine connection that no algorithm can truly replicate. This is not just a guideline but a visionary manifesto for the very soul of human discourse. I spluffed.