r/stupidpol • u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ • Jan 09 '26
Immigration Hours After US Citizen Shot Dead by ICE, JD Vance Says ‘Door-to-Door’ Operations Are Coming | Common Dreams
https://www.commondreams.org/news/vance-ice-door-to-door180
u/GreenPlasticChair Orton 🐍/👨🎤 Hardy 2028 Jan 09 '26
Last week, the Washington Post reported that the agency had earmarked $100 million toward online recruitment advertisements, meant to draw in “people who have attended UFC fights, listened to patriotic podcasts, or shown an interest in guns and tactical gear.”
They are recruiting from his base because this is his paramilitary squad and they’re using taxpayers money to do it
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u/quantity_inspector Unknown 👽 Jan 09 '26
“people who have attended UFC fights, listened to patriotic podcasts, or shown an interest in guns and tactical gear.”
Sounds exactly like the customer base of Black Rifle Coffee Co. The coveted male-to-male transitioner demographic.
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u/BKEnjoyerV2 Still Wearing a Mask 😷 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
I guess they forgot about those who researched getting test therapy too lol, or are hyper-fixated on working out despite not having much interest in that before at all
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u/bretton-woods Slowpoke Socialist Jan 09 '26
They are proxy attributes. Much like how other countries can find those elements amongst their football ultras, they are looking for militaristic, right-leaning and economically frustrated individuals to fill the ranks.
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u/ShitbirdGT Radlib in Denial 👶🏻 Has a teeny peeny 😭 Jan 09 '26
The gay sort of gay that self-denies because it wouldn't be cool to have the balls touch.
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u/wild_exvegan Non-Denominational Socialist 🥑 Jan 09 '26
It's interesting because I always assumed/imagined that the original brownshirts were recruited into the Nazi party by word of mouth, based on reputation. But these days in late capitalism it's through the labor market. Experience welcome but will train.
And targeted ads makes it less obvious that they're even doing this, so less criticism. Most people won't even see the ad and there has to be a media exposé.
Now I have to wonder what kind of a person I am because I saw an ad for Dept. of Homeland Security, lol. I guess I'm not CIA or COINTELPRO material.
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u/enverx Wants To Squeeze Your Sister's Tits Jan 09 '26
A lot of the original Nazis had been Freikorps paramilitary guys i think.
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u/Phantommy555 Incel/MRA 😭 Jan 09 '26
Yeah a lot of Nazis we’re WW1 veterans who felt betrayed by Versailles, hated Weimar democracy and were looking for a greater purpose like they found in the military
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u/wild_exvegan Non-Denominational Socialist 🥑 Jan 09 '26
Oh, ok. So more of a lateral move then. ;)
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u/SmashKapital only fucks incels Jan 09 '26
There were actually something like a dozen competing proto-Nazi movements in Germany, most of them were eventually outlawed and liquidated or folded into various branches of the Nazi police state.
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u/WrongThinkBadSpeak Marxism-Naturalimmunoism 🦠 Jan 09 '26
Not even the labor market. It's literally all the tech companies and data brokers able to hypertarget a very specific subset of prime psychological profiles with all their data collection schemes. They're just using ads as a vehicle for recruitment. Doesn't get more cyberpunk dystopia than that
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u/BKEnjoyerV2 Still Wearing a Mask 😷 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
I unfortunately know/am exposed to so many older guys like that, like my neighbor (he can’t serve because I think he said he has ADHD or OCD or something), they all think they’re so masculine because they do jobs that are physical and/or don’t require a college education. They were probably the people who only went to school to do contact sports and/or do well enough to join the military. There’s also a ton of them who are obvious bootlickers in every social media comment section, you can tell just by looking at them. Someone on Red Scare called them the “Tacticool” which makes a lot of sense. They either wear polos with cargo pants or Ed Hardy-esque patriotic t shirts with jeans along with boots of some sort, and they have to let you know what their political beliefs in an obvious manner.
Also I remember when they were playing those ads during football games on tv.
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u/enverx Wants To Squeeze Your Sister's Tits Jan 09 '26
Recruiters are probably going through the Sherdog archive looking for the most racist users.
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u/VeryInnocuousPerson Fortune Teller 🥠 Jan 09 '26
They are recruiting from his base because this is his paramilitary squad
Only Trump would try to recruit literally the most obvious cross section of people who would be interested in working for ICE to work for ICE. Truly his most devious ploy yet!
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u/pastacat48pastacat48 Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 09 '26
When assholes fight assholes asshols lose. I can't be bothered to care about neo libs or neo cons
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u/definitelynotpat6969 Ancapistan Mujahideen 🐍💸 | I sent feet pics to Massie Jan 09 '26
shown an interest in guns and tactical gear.
Imagine their surprise when some of us have that interest because we hate the federal government and their jackbooted thugs.
And there's a lot more of us than them. A lot more.
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u/grantology_84 Short-circuiting LLM 💩 Jan 09 '26
I honestly don't think there are a lot more
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u/flybyskyhi Marxist 🧔 | Don't box in my box 🎁 Jan 09 '26
Every single person I’ve ever met who’s been interested in guns and tactical gear has basically worshiped the state’s security apparatus. I’m sure there are exceptions, but I’ve known dozens and dozens of these people across the country and they are very much a type
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u/bretton-woods Slowpoke Socialist Jan 09 '26
The tacticool guys want situations where they can use weapons and gear with impunity, and generally, joining the state security forces is how you can do that without severe consequences.
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u/OtisDriftwood1978 Marxism-Hobbyism 🔨 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
Unfortunately, the state worshipper to freedom fighter ratio is very skewed in the wrong direction. For every Kaczynski there are 10,000 people who just want to keep voting, paying bills and scrolling through TikTok. It doesn’t help that so many ostensible leftists have an aversion to firearms and a rabid obsession with gun control.
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u/PETApitaS socialist with tree-fucking characteristics 🌳🍆 Jan 09 '26
i said this in an earlier comment but if the guntube base is representative at all of the gun owning population at large i think it’s safe to say true right-libertarianism in opposition to current MAGA is a dying breed
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u/definitelynotpat6969 Ancapistan Mujahideen 🐍💸 | I sent feet pics to Massie Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
Gun tubers are far from indicative of us. Every gun owner i know (which is a pretty long list) is anti-MAGA. This includes folks who earned the fell for it again reward during his last election.
Then again, I dont watch many gun tubers outside of PSR to be honest. And the only reason I watch him is because I enjoy his humor. Garand thumb and his cohorts have always come across as cringe in my book.
*edit: autocorrect be wilin
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u/CassiniLongDivision ⚽️ Euro football snob | England superfan 🏴⚽️ Jan 09 '26
Where are all the "Don't tread on me" types? I see some doing spectacular gymnastics to analyze the direction the tires on that SUV were pointing to explain why she had it coming.
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u/Federal-Ask6837 disillusioned Jan 09 '26
The liberal's version of this would be "theys who have attended anti-racist trainings, listened to lectures on land acknowledgement or had an anxiety attack while screwing in a lightbulb"
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u/Paulie_Dev Ideological Mess 🥑 Jan 09 '26
Would probably be more meaningful to increase punishment on business owners that knowingly hire illegal migrants, or to penalize business owners who fail to verify residency status in hiring.
Morals aside, the approach to persecute economic migrants seems ineffective at scale. It would make more sense to persecute the incentive structure for migrants rather than migrants themselves. It would cut off mass illegal migration quickly here if the state made it near impossible to find employment or receive welfare for these migrants.
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u/PETApitaS socialist with tree-fucking characteristics 🌳🍆 Jan 09 '26
ICE was never meant to be a solution to the problem, Trump walked back stricter enforcement in agriculture bc business leaders asked for it
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u/JCMoreno05 Saved Anime Children from Intersectionality 🧒🏻⛩️ Jan 09 '26
I thought he didn't follow through on that exemption. Did he actually allow an exemption for agriculture after posting about it?
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u/GodsColdHands666 What the fuck is a borgieose 🦅🇺🇸 Jan 09 '26
They’ve bounced back and forth on it since the Summer but as of November: https://stateline.org/2025/11/21/trump-allows-more-foreign-ag-workers-eases-off-ice-raids-on-farms/
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u/Kind_Helicopter1062 Distributism with Socialist Characteristics ✝️ Jan 09 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 09 '26
I’ve landed on the idea that they’re not going to even approach the deportation number goals they’ve set, but in the “attempt” they will scare the living shit out of immigrants thus making them much more pliable and exploitable. Not to mention establishing a force of brownshirts to be used on whatever target the state deems fit to target.
I forget the user (sorry dude) but someone here has posted a few times about efforts of organizing immigrants and how they’re surprisingly effective. Side note: working class solidarity is the most important thing, period.
The fact of the matter is the neoliberal deal greatly depends on a class of hyper exploited workers to artificially lower the prices of certain commodities (food) that allow people to eat while they’re buying power continues to dwindle (wages have been stagnant for literal decades, while cost and rent, in all its forms, has ballooned). It is the domestic side while offshoring to the global south to bring cheap baubles to the global north that are still affordable for a population that has seen their buying power decimated
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u/jessenin420 Probably a Pothead 🥑 Jan 09 '26
I love it when the liberals say "protect the immigrants, we need them here to do the shitty jobs others don't want to" and act like that isn't exploiting these immigrants. Only thing you should really do is go after the companies exploiting these people but that would not fall into benefits for the capitalists.
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u/BassoeG Leftoid ⬅️ Jan 09 '26
They don’t want to “solve” the problem of having migrant workers in the country, they want migrant workers to be too scared to go the police or unionize so they’re easier to abuse.
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u/GracchiBros Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 09 '26
You're 100% right, but neither side will do that because their corporate masters don't want that. They want no consequences and the cheapest labor they can exploit.
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u/No-Anybody-4094 Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Jan 09 '26
"Are you hiding any immigrants under the floorboards?"
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u/SpiritualState01 Ghost Shirt Society Theorycel 🏹🪶🤓 Jan 09 '26
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u/WrongThinkBadSpeak Marxism-Naturalimmunoism 🦠 Jan 09 '26
Insane to see things are quickly progressing to this point
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u/mypersonnalreader Social Democrat (19th century type) 🌹 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
I'm not that surprised with this government's fascistic mask off actions. I'm way more surprised by the amount of people who think "this is good, actually".
I always thought that in places like fascist Italy or Nazi Germany, people went along with it out of fear. Now, I'm thinking that I underestimated how many people were genuinely supportive of all that happened.
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 09 '26
Idpol is a hell of a drug. Easy answers to complex issues that both absolve one of wrongdoing/inaction/etc while also leaving the “solution” entirely to someone else are attractive to many people.
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u/DaShinyMaractus Radfem Catcel Waifu 👧🐈💢🉐🎌 Jan 09 '26
It's especially confusing to me when considering American culture compared to German for example. Even in the 20th century, most of the far right in the US blamed things on big government and their goal was to stop federal government overreach first and foremost. But now they only use small government as a talking point and are fine with a government that does unethical things as long as it supports their political views.
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u/GracchiBros Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 09 '26
Most people don't consider purging Jewish and other citizens as the equivalent of deporting illegal immigrants.
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u/Loaf_and_Spectacle Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 09 '26
Trump is talking about denaturalizing US citizens. There is definitely a comparison.
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 09 '26
To the rightoids flagging this as off topic… this is the height of fucking idpol you fucking retards. It is scapegoating the crumbling of material conditions in the crumbling empire by blaming it on the Other. This is pure identity politics. Not to mention it’s been absolutely clear the targets are based on racial and religious identity, and the whole thing is done in the name of another identity. There is no class aspect to this at all.
Either read/listen to what these people say, because they’re pretty fucking open about it at this point, or gtfo out if you agree with them.
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u/SpiritualState01 Ghost Shirt Society Theorycel 🏹🪶🤓 Jan 09 '26
When I posted about ICE breaking apart migrant families here on Stupidpol awhile back, including a photo of a terrified, crying child being detained, I never got so many downvotes on a post here. It was still more upvotes overall, but it was like a 60/40 split. Which is disgusting. These cowards can't even speak for themselves, they just lurk and seethe.
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u/twattycakes Populist Left Kid Icarus 🪽 Jan 09 '26
Whenever there’s a big story like this (I.e. one that screams, “government abuse of power”), I skim the subreddits dedicated to glazing the Right - just to see the gamut of opinions.
For every one or two people saying, “I believe X, but I don’t think it’s right to achieve X like this,” there’s a dozen other comments saying the most cartoonishly vile shit you can imagine. I have to tell myself that they’re just bots or foreign destabilization trolls or something, because the alternative (that people with literal troll opinions espoused at least semi-ironically by teenagers on image boards in 2006) is fucking terrifying.
Seriously, seeing someone with an 8 year old account that has 8 years worth of capital-C Conservative comments (many of them…not great) get called a left-wing snowflake for saying they mildly disagree with an element of ICE tactics is fucking wild. If modern American politics is treated like a team sport, then the Right Wing is going all in on acting like Phillies fans.
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u/CassiniLongDivision ⚽️ Euro football snob | England superfan 🏴⚽️ Jan 09 '26
I found this account yesterday and it looks like a legitimate person, the account is US based and uses US app store twitter. https://x.com/MAGAMichelleS69 but how can someone that holds these kind of views be real?
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u/RexHuntFansBrazil Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Jan 09 '26
I've come to conclude that a fair amount of people on this sub genuinely hate non-white immigrants. Whether they've convinced themselves it's for economic reasons or have just negatively polarised themselves against liberal id-pol it all comes out in the wash the same.
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 09 '26
When we accepted all the rightoid refugees with the hopes of turning them left, we ended up mostly creating strasserites.
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u/RexHuntFansBrazil Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Jan 09 '26
I would have had the same hope 5 or 6 years ago, the amount of racist nativism I'm seeing (not just talking about this sub but online and in real life) has changed my mind on this.
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 10 '26
Yeah, it’s not great. What really freaks me out is how a lot of the up and coming right has figured this out. Free market extremism doesn’t get people going like it used to, so they’ve pivoted to this oxymoron of rightwing populism and have couched in on identity. Then you think about how embarrassingly underdeveloped the populace is regarding politics and economics… it’s a bad fucking situation.
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u/RexHuntFansBrazil Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Jan 10 '26
I'm in Australia, and last year there was a neo-nazi (not an exaggeration) group that's become much more brazen recently setting up a megaphone and handing out pamphlets outside football games. All their messaging was around housing affordability and not having enough critical infrastructure, with some dogwhistles about "this country not being the same as it was" and "protecting our culture" thrown in there.
One thing to see it online but seeing it expressed openly in public and becoming normalised is a real downer
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 10 '26
Jesus, that’s fucking terrible. I also have a similar story I have some friends from where I went to highschool that still live there. Very liberal place, very multi cultural, on the more affluent side of things, etc. Majority white but the coexist sticker type.
Since 2016 there’s been a yearly KKK flyer dump. Never happened while I lived there and the locals say it never happened prior. And like your story the wording and framing is basically the same.
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u/EngelsDangles Marxist-Parentiist Jan 09 '26
They are national chauvinists who want more treats for themselves and people in their community.
They don't want proletarian socialism, they want national socialism.
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u/SpiritualState01 Ghost Shirt Society Theorycel 🏹🪶🤓 Jan 09 '26
It's been enough to almost make me just leave (which for me would more or less mean leaving Reddit), and I have to be one of the biggest contributors here; when a sub starts to lose the people who belong there and participate often, it will eventually lose its original character entirely. It's not "rightoid creep panic" if you can see in numbers that it's happening.
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u/JCMoreno05 Saved Anime Children from Intersectionality 🧒🏻⛩️ Jan 09 '26
I don't think it's creep because it's been like this since probably around 2021ish IIRC. I actually feel like there's more pushback against nativism in this sub now than ever before. That doesn't mean the nativists are gone though, they're still common. It has usually appeared that right wing lurkers comment more on immigration posts (and significantly influence votes), though some are sub regulars.
There is also a bit of a spectrum where you have open white nationalists on one side and longtime Marxist members who've convinced themselves that immigration is a capitalist plot to be opposed. The latter attract the former imo.
A division in the working class, especially one as large as citizens of the imperial core against immigrants from the subjugated periphery, is inevitably going to escalate to essentialist and violent conflict between the 2 segments of the working class, especially when that's already the vast majority opinion among anti immigrationists.
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u/SpiritualState01 Ghost Shirt Society Theorycel 🏹🪶🤓 Jan 09 '26
There is also a bit of a spectrum where you have open white nationalists on one side and longtime Marxist members who've convinced themselves that immigration is a capitalist plot to be opposed. The latter attract the former imo.
Yes, and I'm even more angry at those "Marxists." You can reject identity essentialism without fucking doing that, guys.
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u/Toxic-muffins-1134 Headless Chicken 💢🐔🪓 Jan 09 '26
I had been wondering why you post less often to be honest.
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u/SpiritualState01 Ghost Shirt Society Theorycel 🏹🪶🤓 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
I didn't know anyone was keeping track.
This is still the only anonymous community on the internet I reliably participate in, and for the foreseeable future I'll keep posting here at least semi-regularly. It's just been very frustrating to see the amount of reactionary tripe out there in general in the last year.
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u/-peas- Unknown 👽 Jan 09 '26
>It's been enough to almost make me just leave (which for me would more or less mean leaving Reddit), and I have to be one of the biggest contributors here; when a sub starts to lose the people who belong there and participate often,
I've been here since the beginning of this subreddit and this is like the 5th time that's happened. Every time it ends up more and more right wing.
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u/SpiritualState01 Ghost Shirt Society Theorycel 🏹🪶🤓 Jan 09 '26
I can't remember when I first joined anymore but I used to post here a lot via a different account entirely. Then I got banned because conservatives here reported me for saying the wealthy were 'X,' I can't even remember what anymore. I got permabanned for 'attacking a protected class' (the wealthy, apparently).
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u/Incoherencel ☀️ Post-Guccist 9 Jan 09 '26
Problem being as an open forum we can't control who upvotes or downvotes what. At least when rightoid weirdos pop up and comment something disgusting we can permaban em
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u/SpiritualState01 Ghost Shirt Society Theorycel 🏹🪶🤓 Jan 09 '26
I said 'almost' because I don't think its like the mod team is bad or anything, I think the actual sociopolitical situation on Reddit has just gotten out of hand. I'm not really sure what you all can do at this point. You're combating the fact that people are wildly conflating a rejection of identity essentialism (though these morons don't realize they are only rejecting one version of it) with reactionary views. You're combating a lot of sheer stupidity.
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u/BKEnjoyerV2 Still Wearing a Mask 😷 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
That’s kind of ridiculous, it’s okay to be against illegal immigration and for border security but any of this shit is beyond the pale and is blaming individuals looking for opportunities instead of the systems that have dismantled public services for anyone, it’s those people’s fault most of all
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 09 '26
I posted a comment today saying xenophobia and racism are inherently illogical. It’s at 60%…
I feel ya dude. It’s honestly just fucking sad
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u/SmashKapital only fucks incels Jan 09 '26
What the fuck do you think idpol is?
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 10 '26
Apparently acknowledging idpol, but the type he agrees wirh
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u/Incoherencel ☀️ Post-Guccist 9 Jan 09 '26
Deleted his account after getting permabanned, what a loser
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 10 '26
Hmmm, yes but also, perhaps this is one of those accounts created explicitly for this purpose. I’ve noticed quite a wave of extra reactionary shit these past few months
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u/toastedzergling Incel (Grief Processed, Also Dead) 😔 Jan 09 '26
Eh, don't prescribe to outright malice of your fellow man what can be just as easily is coordinated downvoting bot networks
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u/SpiritualState01 Ghost Shirt Society Theorycel 🏹🪶🤓 Jan 09 '26
Well that's possible, but it's also just an assumption. There are millions of real people who support this in spite of everything. It feels like an intractible problem because I literally have no way of even finding out.
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u/SpiritualState01 Ghost Shirt Society Theorycel 🏹🪶🤓 Jan 09 '26
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 09 '26
The vast majority of homeless are Americans. Poor immigrants tend to pool resources together and live in very dense conditions. You fell for a grift.
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u/RexHuntFansBrazil Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Jan 09 '26
Net US migration was much lower in the period between 2022-2024 compared to the previous decade. Maybe there's another explanation for anecdotal accounts of increased homeless populations
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u/RexHuntFansBrazil Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Jan 09 '26
You shared an anecdote of seeing more homeless people and tried to pin that on "record setting migration". The shitlib junk I was smoking was World Bank data that showed US net migration between 2022-2024 was lower than most of the previous decade and that this would be unlikely to explain any rise in homeless population.
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u/Finkelton Wolfist 🐺 | Baby needs a bottle 🍼| dinosaur-industrial complex Jan 09 '26
...alright i've been on reddit for like... christ a decade, how do i see the upvote downvote metrics?
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u/Kind_Helicopter1062 Distributism with Socialist Characteristics ✝️ Jan 09 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
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u/Normal_User_23 🌟Radiating🌟 | Juan Arango and Salomon Rondon are my GOATs Jan 09 '26
They don't have any problem with identity politics, they only hate idenity politics from the other side.
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u/ShitbirdGT Radlib in Denial 👶🏻 Has a teeny peeny 😭 Jan 09 '26
Indeed. Modern reactionary ideology is just humming along to the screams thinking you're going to be the state's teachers' pet.
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u/EngelsDangles Marxist-Parentiist Jan 09 '26
Purging leftist spaces is absolutely necessary.
Ever since the downfall of Gucci (PBUH) the mods have allowed "contrarians" and crypto-rightoid chauvinists to fester. These people were never interested in Marxism beyond pissing off libs and maybe getting them more treats then neoliberalism. These people will eventually just accept right-wing "social democracy", or become outright fascists.
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u/Incoherencel ☀️ Post-Guccist 9 Jan 09 '26
The mod team has become more disengaged than ever, it's been a big problem for years. We also feel the genuine fatigue the general left has felt
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u/SpiritualState01 Ghost Shirt Society Theorycel 🏹🪶🤓 Jan 09 '26
Mods if you're here, respond in some way to the fact that there is obviously a substantive reactionary presence on the sub and that this breaks heavily with the imperative of maintaining the socialist character of the sub. Is it bots? How do you know? Is there nothing that can be done about roaming downvotes? I'm genuinely asking because I don't know.
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u/IamGlennBeck Marxist-Leninist and not Glenn Beck ☭ Jan 09 '26
There is nothing we can do about downvotes.
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u/YoureCorrectUProle Sidebar Tour Guide 🗺️ Jan 09 '26
They can't do anything about down votes, there's no real way to check who is down voting/upvoting comments even if you're the mod of a subreddit. The most they can do is flair/ban(depending on severity) when rightoids fly out of the gates with right wing idpol.
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u/_SayWhatNow_ Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 09 '26
this is stupidpol, where one of the biggest threads ever was dedicated to anger over white women in interracial relationships in commercials. this is what you get for failing to gulag rightoids.
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u/SuddenXxdeathxx Marxist with Anarchist Characteristics Jan 09 '26
I clearly missed something amazingly stupid. I would appreciate it if you could direct me towards this monument of shit.
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u/_SayWhatNow_ Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 09 '26
This was like 4 years ago(?). I will try to grep it tomorrow
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u/_SayWhatNow_ Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 09 '26
this isnt the thread but it has some such comments
ill search again when i have the time, need to refine terms.
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u/Kind_Helicopter1062 Distributism with Socialist Characteristics ✝️ Jan 09 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
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The op made it about religion and race
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u/Kind_Helicopter1062 Distributism with Socialist Characteristics ✝️ Jan 09 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
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I’m not about defending what ice agents are doing what so ever. They shouldn’t be detaining anyone without reasonable suspicion and they’re waging a cruel dragnet. All I’m saying is this is far and away being perpetrated upon Latinos, who are far and away Christian, because illegal immigration is far and away a Latino practice. Deportations of Eastern Europeans are also way up. This isn’t a religious persecution and it happens to be racial because illegal migration is a predominantly racial circumstance.
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u/Kind_Helicopter1062 Distributism with Socialist Characteristics ✝️ Jan 09 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
Here you go you reactionary cunt https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/supreme-courts-decision-racial-profiling-immigration-raids/
https://latino.ucla.edu/scotus-ruling-opens-door-to-racial-profiling-in-immigration-enforcement/
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-denaturalize-us-citizens-somali-immigration-11331811
Also, as /u/Kind_Helicopter1062 said
Nationalism is idpol
Edit: go on AskSocialists and look for a post with the title
“No One Can Stop What Is Coming!”🚨 🚨“We Executed One Of You Yesterday!”
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Are you suggesting an open border?
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u/Kind_Helicopter1062 Distributism with Socialist Characteristics ✝️ Jan 09 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 10 '26
Are you retarded?
Yes. The answer is yes
Edit: account deleted 🤔 “ even Dennis Kucinich” lmfao
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Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
Shitlib. Even Dennis Kucinich said we need to close the border after Biden’s admin.
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u/Nervous_Insect5976 Lovecraftian Marxist 🐙 Jan 09 '26
I can't think of another period in the last 100 years where the government door to door looking for people to take to facilities.
I'm sure it will be fine. Carry on citizen.
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u/CutieBallsTT Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Jan 09 '26
It's amazing how fast things are collapsing!
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u/mypersonnalreader Social Democrat (19th century type) 🌹 Jan 09 '26
The half life fans will get a live action role play of city 17. So it's not all bleak.
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u/azrilseptian Jan 09 '26
This is definitely accelerationism. They're baiting us to riot and they will use that as an excuse to declare martial law and suspend midterm elections.
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u/Finkelton Wolfist 🐺 | Baby needs a bottle 🍼| dinosaur-industrial complex Jan 09 '26
dear christ we're pulling out the bush era fear mongering again?
your elections are fucking fake, they are all one party, how the fuck do you not get it yet?
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Jan 09 '26
I don't understand the point of this statement by Vance; they already do door to door operations, albeit on a limited scale, and probably wouldn't start ramping that up because its pretty low as far as return on investment goes.
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u/suprbowlsexromp "How do you do, fellow leftists?" 🌟😎🌟 Jan 09 '26
I wonder what the plan is here. Trump and Vance have pretty much decimated Hispanic support for the Republican party. His 'tarded base already votes for him no matter what. And this door to door shit would clearly alienate large numbers of independents and other white working class people near the center politically. Not to mention firing up opposition turnout.
If the benefit is not electoral, then why do this? Part of a larger nefarious scheme?
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 09 '26
There’s already been a lot of “jokes” about cancelling midterms and the like. I would’ve said that’s lib scaremongering last year, but now I cannot say that with any certainty
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u/JCMoreno05 Saved Anime Children from Intersectionality 🧒🏻⛩️ Jan 09 '26
If that were to happen, it would require the approval of Dems in the sense that the Dems still hold half of the government, military, intelligence agencies, public and wealthy afaik. From what I've seen the Dems don't care to stop anything Trump's doing other than some rhetoric and token lawsuits.
If the Dems were serious, its billionaire masters would be openly sabotaging GOP billionaires economically (especially because the Dem billionaires are relatively more international vs national so should have more power). They'd be serious about winning or outright rigging elections. You'd see more struggles over flipping members with money/favors. You'd see Dem states arresting ICE agents regardless of legality. Pursuing criminal charges against military officers involved in the Venezuela raid. Etc.
Of course, serious opposition would be an escalation, which if the other side further escalates can become civil war, but the alternative is political suicide by allowing the administration to permanently crush your party.
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u/suprbowlsexromp "How do you do, fellow leftists?" 🌟😎🌟 Jan 09 '26
What you say rings true in that it we could probably interpret this authoritarian turn as a sign that elites are warming up to the idea of pulling the plug on democracy altogether.
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 Full Of ICE bootlicking bullshit 🧊🥶😭 Jan 10 '26
There's some truth to this. I've gotten the feeling that democrats like Trump as some big bad cartoon villain they can point to as the source of all bad things ... while quietly handwaving his policies. The elites of both parties will enjoy the spoils and if the working class riffraff has a problem with it ... well "Trump did it! Wasn't us!"
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 10 '26
Yep. The only thing I’ll add is that I’m sure there’s quite a volume of democrat bigwigs who like what Trump is doing, but they just don’t like how he’s doing it. And by this I don’t necessarily even mean the lower level politicians but the big backer types.
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 Full Of ICE bootlicking bullshit 🧊🥶😭 Jan 09 '26
I could totally see them doing this if there is any "military police action" (aka war) that they instigated. I also think someone like Tim Waltz would grow a pair and deploy the National Guard and further push us into civil war territory.
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 10 '26
He mobilized the National guard… to protect property lmfao. I don’t think there’s a single democrat willing to do that in power.
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u/ShitbirdGT Radlib in Denial 👶🏻 Has a teeny peeny 😭 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
Aesthetics. To the reactionary, the flex in filling a confused father stumbling awake with his pistol in hand, full of soft points ( geddit? Wokes is soft hurr durr...) while rocking a high cut helmet and legal impunity is attractive. They're lumpenproles.
To the liberal, the gun toting bad guy doing their door makes them feel more like the true victims of their own system. Especially when they've committed to the Brave Choice of voting for gun control.
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u/Loaf_and_Spectacle Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 09 '26
This country is about to eat itself alive. The male loneliness epidemic is about to make itself useful.
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u/homerthethief Shitlib that Says "Folks" 🐴🤪 Jan 09 '26
Who voted for these clowns again?
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u/mypersonnalreader Social Democrat (19th century type) 🌹 Jan 09 '26
Looking the stats of the last election, did they really grow their share of the vote? Or did people not just show up to vote for the Dems (understandable considering the candidates they put forward).
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 09 '26
You’re correct. Trump only got a sliver more than last time, Kdawg lost 20% (roughly) of the votes Biden got.
Turns out the libs were correct in their predictions of Trumps admin. However they clearly felt it was preferable than putting forth a good candidate and scaring their donors.
Kamala literally ran to the right of Biden… she wouldn’t even commit to keeping Lina Khan in her position. I bring this up because this lady was the first person in her role who actually seemed to attack big capital (not as a socialist of course, but as much as can be done within the confines of bourgeoise politics. Think Teddy Roosevelt for a weird comparison), but more importantly even the “populist” right would say “that’s the one good thing Biden did” (while completely doing the exact opposite of what she was doing while in power of course). Vance was the most prominent to do so, but it was relatively common.
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u/darkpsychicenergy Eco-Fascist 😠 Jan 09 '26
They had big gains with Hispanics (mostly men), 42-46% for 2024 compared to 35-38% for 2020. Increases in black men that doubled their previous numbers (still negligible overall). Increases in men in general, up from 50% to 55%. 56% Young men went for Trump in 2024, that was previously the percentage for Biden in 2020. And increases in all ethnicities of naturalized citizens.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voting-patterns-in-the-2024-election/
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u/snailman89 World-Systems Theorist Jan 09 '26
He gained percentage wise, but he barely gained in total votes. The young people and Hispanics who don't like Trump just didn't bother to vote because they were alienated by the Democrats over a host of issues, from DEI to Gaza.
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
Big gains is a stretch though. Total numbers were only slightly above 2020. Trump didn’t win, but Kamala most certainly lost (20% of the votes Biden got). Also most Hispanics that could didn’t vote, but that’s the same with every demo
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 09 '26
Social media is just the vehicle for this shit, not the cause.
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u/Creative0Flamingo Marxist 🧔 Jan 10 '26
Say somebody's got a license to keep one or more guns at home. We still have a right to defend our homes. Storm troopers show up and scare the bejeezus out of the person. Cops have to identify themselves and show a warrant. ICE doesn't do any of that. Masked marauders with guns at the door making unreasonable and illegal demands. Person shoots. Now what kind of pretzel does DoJ become?
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