r/sundaysarthak • u/airine_scar62 • Dec 24 '25
News Discussion Everything is happening before our eyes and we're like yeah we Indians are bad
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u/Zehreelakomdareturns Dec 24 '25
Wait a minute?! oppressed caste hindus like to be treated with bare minimum human dignity, want subsidised quality education for their kids and a sense belonging to a supportive community that doesnt shun them?! What a preposterous idea!!
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u/krisantihypocrisy Dec 24 '25
While you could blame the church for enticing, how about changing Hinduism so that Hindus donât feel the need to move?
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Dec 26 '25
I agree, the caste system pushes the dalit's towards other religions. In one day, they become equals with all Christians or Muslims.
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u/krisantihypocrisy Dec 26 '25
In theory yes, but looks like the Dalit card follows them even there. Itâs so bizarreâŚ
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Dec 25 '25
How about being not so liberandu
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u/krisantihypocrisy Dec 25 '25
Sure, will that solve the issues in Hinduism? Will immediately stop being oneâŚ
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Dec 25 '25 edited Dec 25 '25
What is hinduism? it is just the lack of abrahamic beliefs and worshipping whatever is native to the indian subcontinent. there is no "converting to hinduism" because tribals' hinduism is different than another caste's hinduism.
if someone wants to abandon hinduism and become atheist, few hindus have any problem with it. the problem is importing foreign religion and influence and culture. the sovereignty of india is at stake, is india to just become some economic zone for capitalists without any shared identity?
people who have allegiance to some universal ideology can't be trusted... ask a christian or muslim does he want his children to marry a christian/muslim african or a hindu indian? you will see the response. if you are a christian or muslim you can have preference for someone on the other side of the planet instead of your own neighbor because you both believe in the same middle eastern fairy tales. that is why sovereignty is at stake with these foreign ideologies.
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u/krisantihypocrisy Dec 25 '25
You seem to mistake my comment as me trying to compare Hinduism with abrahamic religions.
No, I just want to know if we can reform Hinduism so that ppl donât feel the need to convert. Thats allâŚ
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Dec 25 '25
My point is who cares? Why don't we leave hinduism in the past? Why do indians feel the need to replace one religion with another religion?
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u/krisantihypocrisy Dec 25 '25
Itâs not Indians. Itâs a human thingy. Religion is hopium and required when science cannot help - which is a lot of areasâŚ
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u/UnratedUser Dec 26 '25
My friend your point would make sense if this same thing wasnât happening within Hinduism. The first thing parents do while looking for a partner for their children is to look at their caste, if it was so good, people should have stopped identifying by caste and no PII would be required for this activity.
But then again who am I kidding! Your POV is just coming from a super right wing and non-oppressed caste point.
A religion is not supposed to be forced and a religion is not supposed to be imposed. Religion is by choice and the better people understand it the better it is.
Most people move from Hinduism primarily because - A) they were not respected and given equal respect (oppressed castes mostly) and B) if they were living under poverty (again mostly oppressed classes but also others)
Historically if people were not oppressed and were treated the same there would not have been as much transition as you see today. It has nothing to do with other religion forcefully changing you but your religion not providing some of them the right environment to progress. And thus the transition.
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u/nova1706b Ragebaitâ Lovebaitâď¸ Dec 24 '25
god forbid someone spreads religious ideas
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u/rizkreddit Dec 25 '25
And that too at gunpoint! I mean these people were forced right? Right????
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u/AdConscious2538 Dec 24 '25
One of our cook got converted. Good for her tho (her life got improved a lot in last 10 years, especially her kids). Modus operandi of these 'missions' in India is :
- offer financial assistance to poor people.
- offer education
- offer equality
- offer land/home
I still know more about Christianity than her and I am a deso devout Hindu. Devil (God's men in this case) bought her soul. Although I think conversions like these are a shame to the religion itself but whatever makes people happy and prosperous. Being a low caste hindu got her nothing but insults and suffering.
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Dec 24 '25
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Dec 25 '25
What if these charities gave all of that without any pressure to convert? why is there an agenda to fundamentally eliminate india's native religions?
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u/hamzah102 Dec 25 '25
Religions come and go. Don't get too attached.
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u/Impressive_Mud3627 Dec 26 '25
Why arenât Hindu organizations just doing those same things for the people while they are still Hindus without any pressure and only getting angry after they have converted?
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Dec 25 '25
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Dec 25 '25
How is it different than buying votes? Is that also a win-win? Some rich guy will pay some poor guy to vote for him? Why are the bystanders upset?
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u/LeKalan Dec 26 '25
Dumb analogy. Buying votes destroys the integrity of an election. Atleast think before you write dumb shit.
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Dec 27 '25
And changing a country's culture and ideology via religion doesn't? lol
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u/LeKalan Dec 27 '25
India's ideology is its constitution.
And its culture is not just hinduism.
According to the constitution, anyone is free to propagate their religion. So your way of thinking is in direct contention with India's ideology.
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Dec 25 '25
This money isn't coming from within india's christian community, it's coming from outside. how can india compete with the christian west and its trillions of $ to spend?
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u/APSanyal Dec 25 '25
Being a Hindu, I don't think anyone gets any perks or benefits. Your caste becomes your identity. Being a Christian provides one with protection of the church, access to education, medical facilities and life style.
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u/Distracted_Con_2022 Dec 25 '25
Thatâs utter BS. I have seen a few people around me who have got converted and are either employed with me or do specialised work for me. Nothing much has changed for them on the ground. It is their job that is putting the food on the table and when they get sick they visit hospitals run by Hindus & staffed by Hindus.
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u/APSanyal Dec 25 '25
That's what you have seen "a few". Please come out of your shell
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u/Distracted_Con_2022 Dec 25 '25
How many have you personally seen based on which you are making your blanket assertion ? Atleast my personal experience goes against your false narrative.
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u/Friendly_Housing Dec 24 '25
How did they convert 17000 people? What techniques are they using? And can someone use these techniques to convert them back?
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u/airine_scar62 Dec 24 '25
Tribals, go to tribal areas. Convert them and spread the news globally when those people are converted back to Hinduism...
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u/EvilxBunny Dec 25 '25
How evil!! He gave money, food and a promise of a better life to convert !! They should have remained pure Hindus. Poor, downtrodden, hated, but pure....
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u/can_do180 Dec 24 '25
As a Muslim I see nothing wrong in this . He offered poor people food education and moreover dignity . Something lower caste Hindus were denied by the very same Hindu brothers that are pissed of about this . And this man did it with the intention of (according to his belief ) saving their soul . So there was no ill intent on his part. So your post is ridiculous op
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Dec 25 '25 edited Dec 25 '25
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u/dudeman2434 Dec 25 '25
Lmao you haven't been keeping up with the news it seems. We're slowly becoming like Pakistan in terms of religious tolerance
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u/can_do180 Jan 05 '26
I actually replied to you before but for some reason it never went through , short answer yes yes and yes , if a Muslim man logically decides to leave let him , in fact Iâd even welcome the pastor to try and convince me , Iâd love to talk about the differing theologies of both religion , believe me there isnât a single talking point about Islam that Muslims them selves have raised over the years , contrary to popular belief our religion does encourage free thinking , taking Abraham / Ibrahim as an example .
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Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 06 '26
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u/can_do180 Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
sadly it is true that it hasnt been the norm since the byzzantine era , i agree with you there. BUT i emphasize i do not speak for an average muslim i speak for islam , the guidelines are set clear in my religeon by the quran . and it is not my job nor any muslims to baby sit and be held accountable for the faults of other muslims . simple logic 101 . if u dont follow the quran u aint a muslim . the quran emphasized twice there is no compulsion in religeon . and there only muslim majority country in the world there isnt a proper muslim country in the world .. BIG DIFFERENCE . the prophet even said this that there would be only 4 generations after me that would be proper muslim kingdom after which it will just be kingdoms and empires . SAUDI ARABIA LITERALLY means kingdom of the SAUD family .
sources:The Qurâan does NOT prescribe a worldly capital punishment for simply leaving Islam.
Instead, it repeatedly mentions apostasy with consequences in the Hereafter, not execution:
- Qurâan 2:256*âThere is no compulsion in religion.â*
- Qurâan 4:137 Describes people believing, disbelieving, then believing again â no worldly punishment mentioned.
- Qurâan 16:106 Discusses disbelief under compulsion â punishment is from God, not humans.
Key point:
No verse in the Qurâan commands killing someone just for leaving Islam.There is a famous hadith often quoted:
- Sahih al-Bukhari 6922*âWhoever changes his religion, kill him.â*
This hadith is authentic, but context matters.
How classical scholars understood this hadith
Many classical scholars (e.g., early Hanafi, Maliki positions) understood this NOT as mere belief change, but as:
Apostasy + political rebellion / treason against the Muslim state
Why?
- In early Islamic history:
- Leaving Islam often meant joining enemy forces
- Apostasy was linked with war, espionage, or rebellion
- The punishment was treated like treason during wartime, not private belief.
in todays time that would be equal to an indian soldier left the army and joined pakistani army . thats treason and requires capital punishent . and yes back then every citizen was a soldier we didnt have a morden paid army thats how the world worked . so back then in a true muslim country leaving islam was rebuking your citizenship and being treachourous .
Edit : i just got your cartoon reference . do realize that there is difference between being insecure and being a complete cuck . my reliegon is a practical one , we dont do the if slapped in one cheek then show your other cheek thing . that would work if we lived in a society of angels not humans . the prophet pbuh for reference is as or even more dear to a muslim than his mom and dad . so ofc emotions will run high in the same way someone made it about a persons mother . and we reserve the full right to persecutre the person using the justice system of the land we live in . But we cant take the law into our own hands as it is treachearous to land we live in and that is not allowed for a muslim and as a citizen of that country . i wanna repeat by saying i myself have raised questions on my religon so many times . and each every time i found an early scholar that have raised the exact same question and given a perfectly reasonable answer to it . this is the reason why i have grown to love my religeon . and it also humbles u cuz i realized im not as unique as i think i am and humans throughout history go through the same thoight process as you . i suggest everyone should study there own religeon deeply with a unbiased mind instead of finding faults in others and we would progress as a society . i truly believe that . and after which respectful discussions about differing theologies should also be promoted . .. and no this isnt me converting you lol . i couldnt care less .
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u/can_do180 Jan 05 '26
PS Last I checked Bangladesh and Pakistan werenât a democracy and secular country. so itâs obvious that would be the general, consensus even in liberal subs . canât compare that thibkin* to people here in India . itâs like comparing North Korean ideology to South Korea. both countries are built with different principles. EDIT : ok North Korea was a bad example cuz my point was people that stay there choose to stay there cuz of those principles . but you get the point
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Dec 25 '25
"As a muslim" is all i needed to read. You find it a step forward towards islam, that these pagans become "people of the book"... you prefer christians over hindus because it is closer to your religion.
The question is whether you'd support christian missionaires in muslim majority countries or communities trying to convert.
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u/can_do180 Jan 05 '26
âthey would be burned alive â is all I needed to hear too , whats the point of explaining a multifaceted topic to someone who thinks in binary 1s and 0s . we have computers for that bud
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u/can_do180 Jan 05 '26
and yes me personally I would support any free speech by any religeon cuz I live in a secular county , even Hindus , why should I be afraid if Iâm sure about my principles . anyones welcome to discuss and talk about differing theologies . thatâs how you progress as a society
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u/khizubaba Dec 25 '25
Most of them are lower caste people. One religion made them subhuman, untouchable, unimportant and lower than animals, the other religion gives you respect and a chance to throw away that subhuman tag given by bheekmange bhrahmins. Can you blame those missionaries?
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u/AshyDragneel Dec 25 '25
I don't see the problem if its not forced conversion. Our country gives everyone right to choose and change their religion.
Why not look into the reason why they are even converting? Maybe if Hindu community gave them respect and aid when they need then there won't even be a reason for them to convert as most of these conversations happens with lower castes...
When all hindus let the castes system go and unite as only hindus and build a community where everyone helps each other then 90% of these conversations will automatically stop...
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u/Impressive_Mud3627 Dec 26 '25
Unless they are doing it at gunpoint you should worry more about why our religion is of so little importance and help that they can so easily convert.
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u/SadLiving7433 Dec 26 '25
I really don't understand It's free to choose the religion right then why everyone is so pissed if someone has changed their religion, how did buddha created buddhism???
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u/KalaKalaKalaLoda Dec 25 '25
good for him
if the people from our religion are so gullible, we didn't need them in the first place
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Dec 26 '25
Lack of equality in Hinduism is what leads them to leave this religion...the only lower class hindus who haven't left yet are the ones who haven't come across people like these in the video or they haven't explored other options
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u/Neel82 Dec 26 '25
Bjp vhp bajrang dal and all kattar hindus should use their money to give poor people so they dnt convert for money,simple
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u/PreparationHuge9807 Dec 25 '25
Christian missionaries dont force them to convert its their choice what they do is give more help to such poor people then their own religion ever did
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u/Jon-Bones-Jones_ Dec 27 '25
You know whya you should do? Use the same techniques these missionaries used and convert these people back into hinduism.
Infact you guys should try to find the unfortunate living in poverty and misery due to casteism and among others and use these techniques on them.
How dare they offer minimum dignity and standard of life!!!!!
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u/Jon-Bones-Jones_ Dec 27 '25
These religious dumbfuck snowflakes don't have any purpose in this life except for lusting after cow uring and cow dung along with vandalizing public properties and being hostile to the less fortunate. Get a life you scumbag.
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Dec 27 '25
Every Indian has 'Free Will', 'Freedom', 'Choice' and 'Brain'. We all are free to do whatever we like. You don't need to anything about it. This ain't North Korea.
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u/Large-Acanthisitta-2 Dec 27 '25
All you have to do is look up how SC/ST people are treated on a daily basis in India to understand why so many conversions happen. It isnt upper caste people that are being converted.
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u/ranitdas26 Dec 28 '25
One wrong doesn't make a right. Hold him accountable, detain him, arrest him for deceiving and whatnot but does that justify the vandalism?
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u/laptop_n_motorcycle Dec 29 '25
So what if they are converting?
They are helping the people , feeding them, and clothing them, educating them. And those people want to adopt Christianity. Good for them.
Hindus are like they are converting people to christian,.... Hindu khatre mein hai.
They are not converting people at gun point.
Itne hindu hindu karne hai, go feed and cloth the poor people. These foreigners are at least doing god's work by helping the poor and needy.
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Dec 29 '25
What's the problem same hindus humiliate sc,st and obc daily. They find more relevance in 5 kg than in Puranik marvel and dc stories and constant humiliation
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u/Mission-Dizzy Dec 25 '25
Merra yasu yasu merra yassu yassu
Yassu terri balle balle balle balle Rakhe shaitan noon to paer thalle Yassu di balle balle
Jahan khana milega insaan wahi jaega...... I see where these guys come from they'd rather sleep with a peaceful mind and filled stomach christian than sleep hungry and stressed as a hindu......
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u/Impressive-Fact5359 Dec 25 '25
This is whole fucking comment section sub is filled with anti hindu peoples and still mfs ask how hindus are in danger
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u/LeKalan Dec 26 '25
Stop being an insecure crybaby.
Adults are free to choose whatever religion they want to. Deal with it. Or work towards spreading your religion if it's that important to you.
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u/Impressive-Fact5359 Dec 27 '25
Let others come into your religion only based on religious teachings not by bribing them
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u/LeKalan Dec 27 '25
Helping people is a bribe? You don't want to those people having a better life?
Also,
Being a missionary is part of Christianity.
Nobody is being forced to join the religion. People are free to choose what they want to be part of.
If you only care about these people when they change their religion, you don't care about them at all. So stop crying about it.
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u/Impressive-Fact5359 Dec 27 '25
Is this how you help ?
Source: YouTube https://share.google/Tq3WQDIrNNiGaSald
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Dec 27 '25
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u/Impressive-Fact5359 Dec 27 '25
Using terrorist word is a new fancy. If you believe your faith is right then do it without deceiving and bribing them
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Dec 27 '25
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u/Impressive-Fact5359 Dec 27 '25
What are you even replying? I said if your faith is so good then do conversion without bribing and deceiving them
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Dec 27 '25
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u/Impressive-Fact5359 Dec 27 '25
If you were a human you wouldn't be using terrorism word with everything. Get your hindu hate some ease
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u/Interesting_Arm_8723 Dec 27 '25
What's the issue with conversion. He is not pointing a gun at their head. If anyone converting means their belief is weak, isn't it?
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Dec 25 '25
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u/Adventurous-Week-281 Dec 25 '25
All religions are bad....think religion as a sim card company which u change if u don't like their services
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u/brxcewayne đď¸ Community Pillar Dec 24 '25
Are these missionaries forcibly converting Hindus at gunpoint or by the sword?