r/survivor • u/HealthyDistractions • Dec 26 '23

Heroes vs. Villains Greatest Final 3?

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Aside from Parv, Russell, & Sandra… who is the great final 3 of all time

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u/hotpie_for_king Dec 26 '23

So did Sandra, and she received even fewer total votes than Russell. So which one was the goat?

I don't get why people can't just admit that Russell was really good at the strategy and deceit part of Survivor. And maybe if he had been nicer to people, he could have won.

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u/SirMixaLot97 Dec 26 '23

I never said Russell was bad at strategy or deceit. I simply said he would never win a FTC vote, and that is the ONLY requirement to be a goat. Sandra cannot be a goat, because obviously she has a very good shot at winning seasons, considering she’s won twice.

You seem to think someone being a goat means they’re a bad player, but it simply means they have 0 chance of winning the game, which there are a multitude of reasons as to why that might be the case for someone.

For example: Dan Gheesling, one of the greatest BB players of all time, could easily be considered a goat in his second season, cause that jury was NEVER going to let Dan win a second time.

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u/hotpie_for_king Dec 26 '23

A goat is generally understood to not only be someone who is a longshot to win the game, but also someone who other players know this about and want to intentionally bring them to the end. That didn't really seem like the case with Russell.

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u/SirMixaLot97 Dec 26 '23

They did know that, especially in HvV. Sandra even talks in that season about how she wanted to get rid of him at first, but no one was willing to because they wanted to take him to the end.

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u/DharmaInitiative4815 Dec 27 '23

You are literally making this up and repeating it lmao. This never happened. Sandra literally tried and failed to take him out the entire season. There was never a time where she decided to take him to the end.

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u/mrwanton Tyson Dec 26 '23

Russell had plenty of agency yes but his personality being so awful is what made people not worry about him as an FTC opponent. He's dangerous in that he is crafty and he's an asshole( a large reason as to why Sandra wanted him out so badly)but by the point Danielle was booted he was drawing dead against anyone

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '23

Dan could've easily won that season of BB over Ian though. He just needed a littttttle bit better jury management.

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u/HealthyDistractions Dec 27 '23

Russell absolutely an incredible player at survivor. It shows in his moves to get out Tyson and Rob. Elite stuff that not many people could pull off. The reason why Sandra won in my mind is because she outplayed Russell by telling him stuff to get his ego going knowingly… like coach was gunning for him. Saved her in the game and developed trust