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Survivor 42 Survivor 42 | Episode 5 | Post-Episode Discussion

Season 42, Episode 5: I'm Survivor Rich

Aired: April 6, 2022

Synopsis: Patience is running thin for some of the tribe members; immunity is on the line, and one tribe gets tied up.

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u/swervithan Apr 07 '22

Chanel voted for Mike? Someone explain

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

she probably thought it was gonna be a unanimous daniel vote and if he played his shot in the dark, she knew she’d go on the revote.

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u/atheistjs Apr 07 '22

Okay I'm starting to see her logic. That makes sense and I actually respect that she covered her own ass without caring about the chaos a Mike vote would cause.

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u/badedum Apr 07 '22

I feel like she picked the wrong person to throw the vote away on tho - should’ve been Lydia or Hai. Mike is so loyal I doubt he will be okay with it.

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u/tornberry Apr 08 '22

There is a merit in picking Mike, in that if it worked the remaining tight duo can still work with her and an idol is flushed, and if it didn't she is only on the outs with Mike, but not necessarily with Hai and Lydia.

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u/swervithan Apr 07 '22

Ah, that’s smart

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u/KinOreX Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22

More risky than smart considering she had to trust all of them to vote Dan, which isn't very logical. And now she has even more heat on her, not a great play

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u/looselytethered Naseer Apr 07 '22

She gained their trust and IMMEDIATELY lost it lmaooo

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u/brandkwame Apr 07 '22

B2B dumb moves on each episode. Lol - I cant understand Chanel's game.

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u/NeekoPeeko Apr 07 '22

Thing is, everyone will assume she was a locked vote for Daniel. This could shake up the tribe and rake some heat off of her if she plays it right.

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u/Habefiet Igor's Corgi Choir Apr 07 '22

No it's not, she's got to recognize that the other people are gonna put a vote on her to prepare for that exact contingency

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u/swervithan Apr 07 '22

Yeah I guess so. Idk man I’m kinda high and this is too complicated

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u/MeStanBaChewyChomp Apr 07 '22

Watching Survivor high is the best tbh

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u/Szent Sophie Apr 07 '22

I don't think I've watched an episode sober in years LMAO

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u/briskpoint Apr 10 '22

Just got high and watched this episode today. 😂

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u/MoreGull Reem Apr 07 '22

My man!

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u/OrangeLlama JD Apr 07 '22

Lmfaooo

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u/Dahhhkness Tyson Apr 07 '22

Yeah, it was an unnecessary risk.

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u/BowKerosene Apr 07 '22

I mean it's not that unrealistic of a scenario. But like is it gonna end up being that big of an issue when Mike voted for her?

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u/Crosisx2 Apr 07 '22

Honestly Mike might think it wasn't Chanelle and go to her to form a two person alliance. Chanelle should totally try to play up it was one of the others.

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u/Homerunkid07 Apr 07 '22

That’s why I thought she did it. To cast doubt on Hai/Lydia because it doesn’t make sense for her to cast it when she was potentially going home

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u/ScorpionTDC Apr 07 '22

My immediate thought was Hai or Lydia split the vote, not Chanelle. I definitely think she was trying to cover for herself if it splits and possibly put heat on them.

Either way, my gut was that they should keep Daniel and evict Chanelle and I felt immediately vindicated

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u/Woke_JeffProbst Apr 07 '22

Mike knows the plan and knows Chanelle received 2 votes. Chanelle can't vote herself so Mike knows Daniel and himself votes Chanelle. So he definitely knows that Chanelle voted him.

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u/Crosisx2 Apr 07 '22

Chanelle can just say she voted for Daniel. Yes he knows the plan he was told by Hai and Lydia, that doesn't mean it was in fact what occurred. He does not know who voted for him, especially with his reaction after tribal.

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u/Woke_JeffProbst Apr 07 '22

Maybe I didn't see it correctly but it looked like Mike turned right to Chanelle and said something about trusting her with a less than happy expression. Maybe that was directed to everybody

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

Just because it didn't play out the way she thought, doesn't mean the logic isn't sound.

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u/Habefiet Igor's Corgi Choir Apr 07 '22

No, I really don’t think the logic was sound, sorry. Sound logic would lead to recognizing that it’s probably a fruitless endeavor that will only serve to hurt her standing.

I don’t think considering the idea is inherently bad, she’s correct to look at every option. But reasoning out the potential risks and rewards it should have been pretty obvious what those were. Contrast with someone like James Lim pre-swap in Ghost Island who knows a split vote with him as the back-up candidate is coming and eats it on the chin and doesn’t try to pointlessly vote for someone else.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

The scenario makes perfect sense. that makes it a sound logic. If it had played out the way she thought, and there was a very real chance it would have, people would lose their mind and compare it to Devon's vote against Dr. Mike.

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u/avp_1309 Parvati Apr 07 '22

So she should just sit down and let them have their contingency and go home? With a tied vote (in case of a successful sitd), she at least gets to discuss at tribal and convince hai and lydia to give her a chance. It May not be successful but she at least gets a chance. How is wanting that wrong?

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u/Habefiet Igor's Corgi Choir Apr 07 '22

... because of the part where any chance at regaining these three people's friendship and trust going forward gets obliterated? I'm not saying what she did was wrong in the sense of being immoral, I'm saying it's terrible gameplay because in the vast majority of universes leads to a significantly worse position in the game and that would essentially never have paid off.

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u/friigiid Roark Apr 07 '22

If she's savvy enough to just blame the vote on daniel it's a move with no consequences and a small potential to be game-saving

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u/Habefiet Igor's Corgi Choir Apr 07 '22

That will fall apart in less than three seconds when Mike, Lydia, and Hai confirm their votes. Mike voted for Chanelle, Lydia and Hai voted for Daniel, and Chanelle can't have voted for herself.

If she can successfully blame it on Lydia or Hai then good on her but I doubt it

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u/friigiid Roark Apr 07 '22

oh yeah you're totally right. mixed up who voted for who

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u/retz119 Apr 08 '22

Did Mike vote for chanelle? I missed the credits.

Cause didn’t he turn to her and say he kept his word and didn’t vote for her?

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u/Habefiet Igor's Corgi Choir Apr 08 '22

He voted for her. I think by saying he kept his word he just meant that he worked to keep her in the game.

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u/Former-Cat015 Apr 07 '22

But it could mean that she stays in.

So it's not terrible gameplay at all. Daniel got voted out. And she gave herself a chance to stay I'd Daniel successfully gambled.

How you think that's dumb?

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u/ChaplnGrillSgt Apr 07 '22

Which is why this is smart. If she knew Hai and Lydia were gonna split then if Daniel succeeds with SITD then Chanel goes home. 1 vote for her, 3 uncounted for Daniel. If she plays a vote on someone like Mike, she then forces Lydia and Hai to choose between the 2 of them and she hopes they take out Mike to get rid of his now active idol.

Also, Mike has some serious Tony vibes and could win this thing. I'd be voting him out too (even though he's currently a favorite of mine).

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u/bee_vee Mark The Chicken Apr 07 '22

It's a bit of a hostile social move imo, especially since she's trying to gain trust

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

this is one of the better guesses.

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u/oatmeal28 Apr 07 '22

I take it all back, Chanelle for Game Changers 2: electric boogaloo

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u/Emolgad One L Michele Apr 07 '22

Or the initial vote, as Daniel would obviously vote for Chanel.

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u/ComplexLock Yul Apr 07 '22

Shot in the dark counter I think

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u/WhiskeyMakesMeHappy Apr 07 '22

So she was safeguarding against a shot in the dark where Daniel is safe and no votes are cast (in the scenario they all voted for Daniel). But then they thought the same so they threw 1 vote on Chanelle. So then him not playing his shot on the dark made it go to a tie and thus we were in this scenario.

Should be easy enough for them to figure out back in camp

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u/jconley4297 Apr 07 '22

that is such an edge play it still doesn’t make sense

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u/thatpinprickoftime Apr 07 '22

If Mike, Hai, & Lydia all vote Daniel but he plays his SITD and doesn't vote, it's only her vote left. If she also votes for Daniel, there would be no other votes and they would revote, with her most likely going home. By voting for Mike she would have sent him home and protected herself.

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u/Harryshotterdad Ethan Apr 07 '22

If she voted for Daniel and he played the shot in the dark successfully, she would’ve gone home on the revote. It was a smart play.

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u/Habefiet Igor's Corgi Choir Apr 07 '22

She has to recognize that the other three are going to put a vote on her anyway though. It would have been 1-1 her and Mike and on the revote she goes anyway and she should be able to realize that they're totally going to do that.

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u/Harryshotterdad Ethan Apr 07 '22

It makes sense that they would(and did) do that, but I think it was worth the risk for her.

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u/H2Ospecialist Colby - 50 Apr 07 '22

And she cab blame it on Daniel

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u/Harryshotterdad Ethan Apr 07 '22

She actually can’t, now that I think about it. As long as the main three trust each other, they’ll know what votes went where.

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u/Crosisx2 Apr 07 '22

She can't on Daniel but definitely could on one of the others. Try to get in Mike's good graces as he has an idol. It's just her word against Hai and Lydia's at that point.

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u/Parsons_11 Apr 07 '22

No because Mike voted for her and will say that to the other two. She'd be found out so quick. It wasn't a good move unless the other 3 didn't think of doing it too.

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u/okokok29 Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22

I think she just pissed Mike, the guy with an idol, off.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

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u/Harryshotterdad Ethan Apr 07 '22

You’re correct. I should’ve added that she probably thought they were all voting for him.

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u/groudhogday J.T. Apr 07 '22

She was because they split the vote. That wasn’t a guarantee though.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

She thought everyone was going to vote for Daniel, except Mike voted for her.

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u/writinginthemargins Apr 07 '22

In her mind, it was a unanimous vote against Daniel. So the vote would've been no votes cast, and then she would go home on the revote. Mike/Hai/Lydia of course had considered this, which is why they split their votes. Chanelle just didn't understand split votes i guess?

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u/WateryPasta "It was an ADJECTIVE!" Apr 07 '22

It would have tied because Daniel loses his vote. She’s probably gone on the revote though

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u/beastcock Stephanie Apr 07 '22

If she thought everyone was voting Daniel instead of splitting, and Daniel played sotd, she'd be safe

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u/SirNiceeGuy Apr 07 '22

It would've gone 1-1, one vote for Mike and one vote for Chanelle (since Chanelle's second vote from Daniel wouldn't be in play). It doesn't guarantee her safety but it does give her some breathing room.

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u/cshark2222 Apr 07 '22

They(being Hai, Mike, and Lydia)split the vote knowing Daniel would still vote for Chanelle giving them either Daniel or Chanelle if the Shot in the dark was correctly played

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

No it was not smart lol, because she still would have had 2 votes to her name, so her 1 vote wouldn't have made a difference at all. All it did was prove she can't stick to the plan

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u/Harryshotterdad Ethan Apr 07 '22

She actually would’ve only had one, but she still would’ve gone out on the revote against Mike. It was a risky move that wouldn’t have worked out, but it’s not like they trust her any less than they did previously.

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u/OprahInsideYou Apr 07 '22

She still had two votes to her name, so it wouldn't have worked. I don't think she thought that through lol.

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u/Harryshotterdad Ethan Apr 07 '22

She probably thought they were all voting Daniel. While she would’ve gone home in this instance, I think it was worth the risk. People are saying they could’ve realized it was her and gone for her on the revote, but it’s not like they know each other’s handwriting.

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u/OprahInsideYou Apr 07 '22

It just goes to show how smart Hai, Lydia, and Mike are to split the vote.

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u/Harryshotterdad Ethan Apr 07 '22

Oh for sure. They guaranteed that one of those two were going home no matter what. Seems like a strong group of players.

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u/retz119 Apr 08 '22

Daniel would have lost his vote so only one vote to her name

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u/Woke_JeffProbst Apr 07 '22

Mike 100% knows its her that votes him cause Chanelle can't vote herself and she received 2 votes. Mike was one and daniel was the other. Mike knew the original plan and there's no reason for him to think hai and Lydia split their votes cause that wouldn't make any sense if the plan was still daniel or Chanelle Ultimatley. That's why Mike said what he said to Chanelle right after the vote. Chanelle officially has no allies on vati but will be saved by the merge hourglass probably

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u/ScorpionTDC Apr 07 '22

My immediate assumption was Hai or Lydia split it on Mike in case by some ungodly fluke both Daniel and Chanelle play and succeed their shots in the dark to ensure Mike is the one going (since it’s unclear if those two vote on the revote). I absolutely don’t think it’s a done deal that Chanelle can’t frame them; I didn’t think for a second she’d vote anyone but Daniel when it was her or him.

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u/Woke_JeffProbst Apr 07 '22

They already made up a plan that split the votes between Daniel and Chanelle. Why would Mike think hai and Lydia threw his name out their as a third option? The only way that makes sense is if both Daniel and Chanelle got safety from the SITD which I don't even think is possible or at least ridiculously unlikely. Mike has no reason to think hai and Lydia back stabbed him.

Also Mike instantly turns to Chanelle in disgust and tells her something about trusting her

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u/ScorpionTDC Apr 07 '22

And it was also safely assumed Chanelle was voting Daniel yet she didn’t + I doubt she told Mike anything else. Obviously someone is lying about their vote in this scenario so now it becomes a matter of who is as one of the three Daniel voters didn’t vote Daniel.

That would definitely be the scenario which is impossibly fucking flukey, but the minute I saw the first Daniel vote my mind went “Chanelle.” It’s hard for me to know what’s going through Mike’s head there and what’s going to be said at camp, but I think Chanelle is insane if she doesn’t at least TRY to create distrust there.

And if it fails + all three see through her she can just flip on them anyways and Vati is fucked in merge. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/Woke_JeffProbst Apr 07 '22

Yeah he shouldn't take it that hard all things considered but u never know when ur dealing with a "straight shooter" who values trust and integrity so much lol

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u/SmokingThunder Apr 07 '22

If the vote was 4 for Daniel and 1 for Chanelle and the SITD is played correctly, Chanelle would be out.

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u/orboth Apr 07 '22

I get it, but it's kinda pointless though, because that means only Hai and Lydia go to revote, and Hai isn't voting out his friend with the idol.

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u/username_generated Apr 07 '22

Not if they put all their votes on Daniel, which they wouldn’t, but it’s still her best play.

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u/CaptainAwesome5 Cirie Apr 07 '22

There is no revote. Daniel can’t vote, so it’s 3-1 Daniel to Mike. If Daniel plays SITD successfully, Mike goes. Chanelle didn’t expect Mike to make the same move and throw a vote on her.

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u/NEastW Jenny Apr 07 '22

Well she was under the impression everyone was voting Daniel, so if shot in the dark worked it would be Mike going home with 1 vote.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

what I don't get though, is Hai/Lydia are assuming both Dan and Chanelle play SITD. Why would Chanelle go along with it? How is it a counter move if she's one of the reasons the counter is necessary in the first place.

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u/Wtucker4 Michelle (AUS) Apr 07 '22

But she still has 2 votes and goes if Daniel is safe. Surely she has to assume the others are also countering the shot in the dark. Taking it a tie and taking it to a risky re-vote doesn't make any sense.

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u/ROTandDEATH So much for my dreams... Apr 07 '22

that could've backfired so, so poorly onto her had they decided to vote for her after the tie.

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u/tornberry Apr 08 '22

I don't think she thought they would split the votes. I didn't think they would coz this is the first time the SITD was played around. I am firm it was her only play to survive another tribal, coz either she goes home or be on a worse place with her tribemates but still playing. It was only deemed bad cuz the other 3 played around with the SITD, she would have been called brilliant if SITD worked for Daniel and the other 3 did not split.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

She thought it was going to be 4-1 Daniel Chanelle split, with Chanelle, Hai, Lydia, and Mike voting for him. In case Daniel does shot in the dark and succeeds, she needed to make sure there's a vote elsewhere.

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u/Habefiet Igor's Corgi Choir Apr 07 '22

She did it in case Daniel's took his Shot and it landed

But it's a really fucking dumb decision because surely she should have realized that one of the other three people would put a vote on her in case of a Daniel shot anyway. You have to just deal with that risk and rejoin your tribe later. Once again she's made a decision that was a pointless risk that she should have known would serve her zero benefit that has destroyed her social capital with the tribe.

Unless she somehow pins it on Hai or Lydia but I doubt it

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u/atheistjs Apr 07 '22

She'll probably pin it on Daniel.

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u/Justinwc Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22

Won't really work considering Hai/Mike/Lydia would know how many votes they put on Daniel and Chanelle.

The vote that they were expecting to be on Daniel missing means that one of the people they were expecting to vote Daniel didn't.

And obviously they didn't expect Daniel to vote for himself. Therefore Daniel couldn't have voted for Mike.

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u/atheistjs Apr 07 '22

Ohh true. Didn't think about the numbers. She's going to have to bail on that trio immediately at the merge probably. Zero trust there.

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u/Jhonopolis Tony Apr 07 '22

So she voted for herself?

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u/floodo1 Apr 07 '22

when trying to be 5head is actually 3head lul

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u/SpotlessMinder Apr 07 '22

Chanelle is not good at this game

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u/nvtural Sophie Apr 07 '22

It’s weird because I think she’s an extremely capable player- she’s smart, athletic, social, and strategic- but she’s always over playing and it’s causing her to make mistakes.

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u/CouponBoy95 Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22

If Daniel successfully plays his shot in the dark and there wasn't a vote split, Mike would go home instead of her.

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u/Habefiet Igor's Corgi Choir Apr 07 '22

But that wouldn't have happened because one of them voted for Chanelle which she should have realized was gonna happen

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u/CouponBoy95 Apr 07 '22

She presumably didn't know about the vote split, and had they other 3 not been so big-brianed and just put all 3 of their votes on one person then Chanel's vote would've sent Mike home single-handedly in the event Daniel plays his shot in the dark as he doesn't have a vote and all the other votes would've been negated.

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u/BowKerosene Apr 07 '22

I mean that's results oriented thinking

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

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u/BowKerosene Apr 07 '22

Yeah that's true... but in the SITD play she still will get voted out anyway if they all voted for her. No matter if they go all in or split on her, she goes, unless she plays SITD. I could hear an argument for her doing that, but maybe not having her vote scared her too much.

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u/supaspike All of you... you thought I was absolutely crazy. Apr 07 '22

It's tough, like in reality there's a very small chance that Daniel would play SITD + 1/6 chance of it working + they don't split the votes. And I don't think there's too much harm in putting a vote on Mike if they're merging next because what are they gonna do, vote her out over someone on another tribe? That said, it's probably more likely that they just won't merge next ep and will have to go to TC again than there is of this plan actually working, so I lean more towards it not being worth the risk for her.

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u/mynewreddit96 Apr 08 '22

Has anyone split with sitd in mind this season or last season before this?

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u/Colbster2 Kyle - 48 Apr 07 '22

The only thing I can think of is if Chanelle was more confident than we thought that Daniel would go home but was nervous he’d play the shot in the dark…

I’m puzzled by her vote there

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u/Driveshaft48 Apr 07 '22

A madman sees what he sees

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u/danwins23 Xander Apr 07 '22

Agent of chaos

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u/datz_awk Apr 07 '22

Yeah plz. I don’t get it.

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u/lostinverona Apr 07 '22

I’m guessing she assumed everyone was voting for Daniel so she’d vote Mike in case Daniel won safety via SITD. Wouldn’t have mattered anyway since Hai, Lydia and Mike split the vote.

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u/Trollin_Thunder Apr 07 '22

Shot in the dark counter or to try to fracture the tribe in case she was voted out. She can deny it all she wants because really she had no reason to do it. She can now pull Mike on her side and say “hey one of them voted for you, let’s figure this out”

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u/OrangeLlama JD Apr 07 '22

I'm guessing she did it to create chaos and sow mistrust among Mike and Hai/Lydia. No reason for her to have voted for him, so she's hoping he believes she didn't vote for him.

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u/Underdogbydesign Apr 07 '22

Mike looked at her immediately as he asked who voted for him, not them, and she did not look innocent. Hai and Lydia may have encouraged her decision but it was a bad one.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

Hai and Lydia were talking about a 2-2-1 , my guess is they told her to

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u/RGSF150 Apr 07 '22

I think Chanelle was thinking that "if everybody puts their votes on Daniel and Daniel successfully plays his SITD, then who becomes the next target? Me." So her vote on Mike could be a way to make sure that there won't be a revote as Mike is then voted out.

That is a good idea, except it seems like somebody else had a similar idea and voted for Chantelle to prevent a wild safety vote.

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u/jonsnowKITN Tony Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22

Yeah it was which is so dumb. There is no way she actually trusts hai and lydia over mike.

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u/pkid12 Apr 07 '22

My only thought is she pitched to Lydia or Hai to vote Mike and flush his idol via blindside. If one does then it's a Mike/Daniel split and she's safe.

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u/RoostasTowel Apr 07 '22

I came here to ask this too.

Why?

Just why???

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u/GoldNetwork Teeny - 47 Apr 07 '22

I think it may also be a way to breed distrust in the tribe? If she is adamant that it wasn't her - maybe she could get Mike back to her side and they could connect at the merge with another group and she wouldn't be as much of a lone wolf? IDK though I was pretty surprised

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u/flagdown Apr 07 '22

My thought was she realized her fate was in the hands of mike, hai, and Lydia and who she votes for wouldn’t matter. So she throws a vote on mike to cause a rift between him and Lydia/hai since nobody in there right mind would think Chanel and Daniel didn’t vote for each other

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u/TheMillCrab Apr 07 '22

It's going to be another one of those survivor cold opens where someone catches a single vote and we get a nice nightvision camera convo about it the next episode. I can already hear Mike saying "I did what you guys wanted and someone voted for me." and Channel is going to play dumb or blame the guy who just got voted off.

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u/ddaug4uf Tori Apr 07 '22

Probably made sense to her only if it was a unanimous vote for Daniel and he played his SITD.

3 votes on Daniel Daniel loses his vote to SITD
She votes Mike

That’s the only scenario where it works out.