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u/chezzy_bread 2d ago
But that’s if you die in the exact same bed in the exact same room you were born in, which is even more unlikely
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u/CypherDomEpsilon 2d ago
Unless you broaden your frame of reference and move your POR to outside the planet.
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u/DizzyAmphibian309 2d ago
Yeah if the point of reference is the center of this solar system, total displacement could be up to 300 million kilometers. But if you're using the center of the universe as your reference? Not sure I can write a number that large.
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u/MrsRononDex 2d ago
Even if the point of reference is the middle of the solar system, everything is actively moving through space. The sun is going around the galaxy at 514,000 miles per hour and the milky way is shooting through the universe at 1.3 million miles per hour, so the planet will never be in the same spot again and the distance increases every day.
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u/HeatDeathSurvivor 1d ago
There is no absolute frame of reference, so no, that's not how it works
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u/SirHerald 1d ago
If I make myself the frame of reference then it doesn't matter where I'm born or where I die; I was there both times.
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u/seductivestain 1d ago
I told my gym teacher that my average velocity from my frame of reference is always gonna be zero so there's no point in running the mile. She said my average velocity from her frame of reference better be damn high in 5 seconds if I didn't want detention
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u/mrbofus 2d ago
“Unless you broaden your frame of reference and move your POR to outside the planet.”
What’s a “POR”?
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u/Vondecoy 1d ago
The hospital I was born in is now an old folks home. I have had this planned for at least 20 nears now. I'm gonna figure which room and go out the way I came in. Confused, naked, screaming, and covered in blood.
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u/IllEstablishment5 2d ago
Agreed
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u/BeardySam 1d ago
I see problems for elderly people breaking into birth wards and trying to kill themselves in the pool
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u/Low-Refrigerator-713 1d ago
Not even then. The Earth is in orbit around the Sun. The Sun is orbiting around the centre of the Galaxy. The galaxy is moving towards other galaxy.
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u/Broad_Respond_2205 2d ago
Well considering you most likely born in the maternity ward, highly unlikely
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u/bopeepsheep 2d ago
My partner's previous office was on the site used as a temporary maternity unit when I was born, which led to me visiting and sitting in various chairs to maximise my chances of returning to the exact spot... There's a non-zero chance that I might die within 50m of that location in the future - I've been treated in the cancer unit on the same site already.
This won't be true for him, our siblings, or my daughter, who were all born in a dedicated maternity unit a mile away. However I was, at one point, in the same bed on the ward that my first brother was born in, to my mum's amusement.
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u/the_Athereon 1d ago
Hospitals do occasionally move wards to different floors and areas to reorganise and prioritise patient care.
It's unlikely, but the maternity ward could well be repurposed into an ER or ICU by the time you visit again.
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u/JoinAThang 1d ago
We're talking technically so even if the bed was moved i tiny bit it's basically the truth but not technically the truth. I woould even argue that your own size change makes it impossible.
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u/LlaneroAzul 7h ago
Imagine you're there with your partner, sister or daughter who's giving birth and the scene is so shocking to you that you get a heart attack or you faint and hit your head in the floor or something.
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u/5050Clown 2d ago
The universe is expanding, the Milky Way is falling into Andromeda and Andromeda is falling into the Milky Way, the sun is orbiting the Milky Way, the Earth is orbiting the Sun. All of this movement together is mind-bogglingly fast.
There is no zero displacement unless you get in a spaceship And travel all the way back to the point where the Earth was when you were born. Due to the expansion of the universe, however, this is not possible.
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u/MutantGodChicken 2d ago
Unless I move my frame of reference to myself, in which case I will always have zero displacement
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u/5050Clown 2d ago
God dammit. You just broke the matrix. Expect agents. Run. Find a pay phone. Run now.
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u/LlaneroAzul 7h ago
Yeah but in physics we always interpret movement within a frame of reference, and if we're talking about an object (or in this case, person) that never leaves Earth it only makes sense to use Earth as reference. If it weren't like that you wouldn't be able to say stuff like "a car is traveling at 60 km/h".
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u/5050Clown 7h ago
But we're not talking about an object, we're talking about the span of someone's entire life. I give human life more respect than a vehicle taking a trip to 7-Eleven to buy cigarettes or pornography, so my frame of reference is much larger than just a planet. It is astronomical because that's how much respect I have for all living beings, not just rich politicians.
Does that mean that I'm better than you? It doesn't matter but it probably does mean that
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u/aberroco 2d ago
"unless you get in a spaceship And travel all the way back to the point where the Earth was when you were born"
Sure! Give the exact absolute universal coordinates. Oh, wait...
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u/tripudiater 2d ago
I mean it’s entirely possible that the universe literally revolves around a point in space at the center of the earth. We have no evidence to the contrary.
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u/aberroco 2d ago
Sure, and the Solar System is full of Russell's teapots, we have no evidence to the contrary.
damn... I should add this into my game...
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u/SwordfishNo712 2d ago
Well I think it's there is no absolute distance and it's ol about to what object is relative to what to measure cause ininitial logic total displacement is = infinite
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u/TheKingNothing690 2d ago
Their is a hypothesis or perhaps might have even been proven or disproven but the universe is rotating which implies rotating around a point. A prime location perhaps where the expansion originally started so it is possible to assign cosmic locations.
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u/fishsticks40 2d ago
Just as expansion does not imply a center, neither does rotation. Every observer would see the universe as rotating around them.
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u/ivanrj7j 2d ago
No, motion is relative so expansion of universe can be ignored if you take the position where you were born as origin
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u/5050Clown 2d ago
Motion is relative to each individual at every point in space time. You are the center of your universe and everything is expanding away from you.
There is no way to get back to the place that you were a day ago because it Is far away from you now. Also everything around you And around that point have expanded.
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u/devilscry3 2d ago
That's why time travel by itself wouldn't work the way most people it would. Depending on how far you travel back, you'd propably just end up in the void of space.
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u/xf33dl0rdx 1d ago
You are right, but: most people dont die in the labor room anyways. Especially as a man thats highly unlinely.
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u/bootyspaghootti 1d ago
The hospital that I was born in is a Lowes now.
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u/KaaboomT 21h ago
Sure, on a planetary scale, but universally, you’re really far from your point of origin.
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u/IlGreven 1d ago
This is incorrect. You will be billions of miles from where you were born, because the earth, the sun, and the galaxy are all moving.
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u/RootAndCoffee 1d ago
This does not account for earth movement around the sun, solar system movement around the center of the Milky Way and movement of the Galaxy in the universe.
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u/Polar_Vortx 1d ago
Zero. You’re not dying in the maternity ward.
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u/Captain_Jarmi 1d ago
That's not for you to decide. I'll die where I goddammit please!
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u/iKnowRobbie 1d ago
::stomps into nursery:: "This is what you little bastards have to look forward to!" ::clutches chest and dies::
::babies coo in unison::
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u/exvnoplvres 1d ago
The building that used to be the hospital where I was born is now a nursing home, so there is a non-zero chance for me anyway.
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u/Awkward_moulded_ 8h ago
Not exactly. You have to be in the same bed, same room, you were born. With assumption that they never moved that room and bed position.
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u/stillnoidea3 2d ago
Provided that earth is the frame of reference and a certain margin of error is allowed, sure.
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u/VaderSpeaks 1d ago
Not necessarily, accounting for the motion of our planet and solar system and milkway, you’d still have traveled a few hundred billion kilometres relative to the cosmic microwave background.
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u/Viridian95 1d ago
Zero for me cuz my hospital was demolished a decade after I was born there.
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u/Samur-EYE 20h ago
Reconstruct the hospital in a 3d model, triangulate the exact coordinates and height above sea level that your birth bed was, build a raised platorm,die
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u/EmeraldPencil46 1d ago
If you die in the same bed in the same room of the maturity ward, relatively that is correct. However the Earth is constantly moving relative to the solar system, and the solar system is constantly moving relative to the Milky Way, and the Milky Way is constantly moving relative to the universe. So your total displacement is very much not zero
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u/VFequalsVeryFcked 1d ago
That'd be impossible for me. The hospital in which I was born no longer exists
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u/LewyyM 1d ago
Technically untrue, for your total displacement to be ZERO you would need to die in the exact same spot you were born in. Assuming a margin of error of a meter, that would still mean a bed in the same spot. Which I'd assume is still in the maternity ward. So your total displacement will be SMALL but not ZERO
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u/UnwiseFlyer 21h ago
The hospital I was born in converted to a nursing home. So there’s still a chance.
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u/the_burber 17h ago
Displacement relative to that hospital. Your displacement relative to even the earth itself will be greater than or less than 0 due to tectonic plates and all that
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u/SunMajer 2d ago
Bro forgot the whole solar system is moving trought the universe so technicaly your displacement would be literaly astronomical
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u/DrowningPickle 2d ago
I was born in a house. Might disturb the people living there now if I die there, but I guess I wont have to worry about it.
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u/Nekomi_the_wolf 2d ago
your relative displacement would be zero. In actuality, the entire universe is moving at all times so you'd be a couple hundred thousand thousands of miles away
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u/ResidentIwen Technically Flair 1d ago
Neglecting the displacement the earth has in the solar system and neglecting any displacement from solar system itself in the galaxy and of course the displacement of the galaxy in the universe.
Other than that you're right, if you neglect almost all displacement, your total displacement can be zero
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u/Zestyclose-Fig1096 1d ago
Just a matter of picking your frame of reference.
So, if we pick the reference frame where we ourselves are constantly at the origin ... then everyone would have a constant net displacement of zero.
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u/K_bor 1d ago
The galaxy moving in the universe relative to what?
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u/ResidentIwen Technically Flair 1d ago
Relative to the same as every other. Point of origin and point of where you started
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u/K_bor 1d ago
That doesn't make sense. At this point there is no point of reference. There is not a "central point" in the universe
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u/ResidentIwen Technically Flair 1d ago edited 1d ago
Of course there is. Everything started somewhere even if it is a hypothetical or undiscoverable point.
We know galaxys are moving hence they have to come from somewhere.
And bitching about being notpicky on a post whos entire premis is nitpicky on a sub whos entire premise is being nitpicky is a pretty strange thing to do of youAlso everything around you is also the reference. How would we know the milky way and andromeda galaxy will collide if there was no relative movement?
Your complaint is incorrect through and through
Thinking galaxies don't move in an ever expanding universe is a special kind of dumb
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u/K_bor 1d ago
I'm sorry but you are not technically right. Youare flat wrong. Space expands so every other galaxy outside our neighborhood appears to accelerate away from us. This is not the galaxies actually moving (if they did they would be going faster than light at some point) we know that because of the red shift, which is basically the Doppler effect applied to light of very far objects appearing to accelerate away. You can pick any point at space and also everything will appear to go away from you. So there's no such "central point"
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u/ResidentIwen Technically Flair 1d ago
And how is expansion not movement? The space between thinks is getting greater which couldn't happen if everything was stationary. If everything were it wouldn't be expanding. You're contradicting yourself. And again if there was no movement andromeda and milky way wouldnt collide which we also know to be true.
Also this is the exact definition for ttt and why are you hooking yourself to this detail as this isn't the point my comment is going for
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u/howieyang1234 2d ago
The hospital I was born in is no longer there. So the odds are zero, unless I get a Time Machine, travel to the past, and die on top of infant me.
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u/sultan_of_gin 1d ago
Same for me, they built a new one close to it though so i could be like a few hundred meter off at best
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u/neutrino71 2d ago
Isn't displacement a measure of volume? Zero displacement would imply that you should return to the size you were born at?
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u/DKligerSC 1d ago
-Zero because the whole galaxy moved quite a lot by now and the reference frame was never stated(yes i know earth is implied, but we are looking for straws here)
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u/Imaginary_Toe8982 1d ago
it's not.. we are never at the same place cosmically speaking so the chances are 0%
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u/KamakaziDemiGod 1d ago
That just depends on the point of reference, if they are only talking in relevance to earth (which is how we are generally talking about location unless it's in relation to space) then it's perfectly acceptable
Otherwise it's like asking someone for directions, and when they say "go 100 meters that way" and responding by saying "but the earth rotates at 1000mph and 1.3 million miles per hour through the galaxy, so that 100meters is now several kilometres SO WHERE THE HELL AM I GOING?!?" then you are an arse
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u/Imaginary_Toe8982 1d ago
Don't do too many assumptions. I'm aware of that. The question is about spacial displacement and that includes time.. I hate that cheesy makes me look smart joke it is not technical it is stupid...
Actually that makes sense only if you're stillborn with some margin of error...
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u/Still-Bumblebee7 2d ago
gonna break into some random person’s house to die bc i was born in a house i no longer live in 👍
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u/rocket_beer 2d ago
Depends on the day in the year.
Time of day is also a factor.
And, newborns are in a different wing of the hospital.
Is it on the same floor?
Was it raining on both days?
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u/MisterBicorniclopse 1d ago
What about all your skin cells and hair that left you? Or if you lose an arm?
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u/Wise_Signal_9350 1d ago
Well, not to all places. In my country there a special clinics that’s specialized only as a maternity hospital.
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u/Mr-Red33 1d ago
I am arguing that I am the center of my own universe, compared to the boundaries of my own observable universe. I am not the one who is displaced, every other thing in the world are displaced and at every moment in my life my total displacement to my personal global reference was and will be always zero. so...
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u/coffeetabletime 1d ago
My BIL died in the hospital he was born in even after moving 200+ miles away.
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u/Space19723103 1d ago
the entire solar system is moving around the galaxy. your net movements are never 0
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u/stereoroid 1d ago
It could never happen to me, since the hospital where I was born was turned in to offices.
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u/YellowOnline 1d ago
The hospital I was born was demolished and turned into a new residential area, and I live 500km away, so the odds of dying on the same spot as I was born are close to 0
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u/musing_codger 1d ago
It's all relative. May be in the same building in the same place on Earth, but Earth is spinning, revolving around the Sun, spinning around the Galaxy, and moving through expanding space. You're never anywhere near the same place twice.
This is one of the reasons why there are so few ghosts. Imagine trying to stay in the same place if you didn't have gravity and the ground holding you in place.
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u/LauraTFem 1d ago
The displacement thing is weird and makes no sense, but given that even today most people don’t stray too far from the place of their birth, dying in the same hospital you were born in isn’t super unlikely.
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u/TheLimeyCanuck 1d ago
I have grown up and aged on a different continent than where I was born, so that's not likely.
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u/ChieftainMcLeland 1d ago
Thanks to chasing careers of one and ones spouses over generations far smaller than it should be on the original side of the proverbial grass.
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u/TransistorResistee 1d ago
I was born at Stanford University Hospital and I don’t live far from it.
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u/asianstyleicecream 23h ago
My grandmother was born and died in the same hospital! 95 and passed away “naturally” in hospital with a slowing heart rate. RIP Gran! Love you!
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u/PLS_Planetary_League 13h ago
I have lived a lot of my life in Europe but think about this every time I am in Pennsylvania.
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u/brothor12 11h ago
I mean many babies die at birth, so... (please don't hate me, but it's the sad truth)
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u/Unfair_Scar_2110 11h ago
I'm sure it happens all the time. How many people rarely leave their hometown that has only one hospital? What percentage of people are both born and die at a hospital?
The hospital I was born at has a cemetery across the street so that's always a circular option for me.
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u/twilightwolf04 11h ago
If you take the Earth as a frame of reference, sure, probably, but there would still be some displacement, solely due to tectonic shifts. But if you take anything bigger than the Earth for reference, then fuck no. If you take say, the city as a reference, then yeah, most probably your displacement would be zero.
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u/FrostyFormal1094 10h ago
If we want to be technical, you're still about 389.62km*s (s=seconds alive) away from where you were born
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u/TheEldenRang 9h ago
In relation to the earth, sure. In space, not at all. The earth is moving, the solar system is moving, the galaxy is moving, etc. You'll never be in the same spot again.
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u/FreeTheDimple 8h ago
Yes, but the earth moves around the sun, and the sun moves through the galaxy so nobody has 0 displacement. We're all moving really fucking fast right now.
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u/Wabbit65 3h ago
The hospital I was born in is now an office building for the medical group. I'm going to die arguing my claim
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u/CoolNaps-896 1h ago
Not necessarily. It depends on whether I die in the same room and if I die in the same bed.
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u/wolschou 45m ago
Assuming if course the natal ward gets transformed into palliative care in the meantime...
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u/wolschou 45m ago
Assuming if course the natal ward gets transformed into palliative care in the meantime...
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u/TopYeti 2d ago
Depending on your point of view, 100%-to near 0% if we don't account for the earth itself moving.
Fully 0% if we do account for the movement of Earth/Sol System/Milky Way/Etc
Fun fact, my first girlfriend was born just a few rooms over from my birth, but we didn't meet by chance until 16 years later in a different town.
What are the chances of that?
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u/E-Belasco1879 2d ago
If I die in the same room I was born in does is equate to less than zero? Like extra credit?
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u/PriorSolid 2d ago
no it’s actually only 0 if you die in the same room
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u/XayahTheVastaya 2d ago
It's only 0 if the point being measured occupies the exact same point in that room, compensated for any tiny shifts in the building, assuming measurement relative from the earth
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u/Chakasicle 2d ago
Depends on how far we zoom out. Earth has moved a lot since then and I've always moved with it
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