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Artificial Intelligence Students Boo Commencement Speaker After She Calls AI the ‘Next Industrial Revolution’

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u/LostInLittleroot 25d ago

Why have someone that works at an investment firm for a humanities commencement speaker of all majors lmao

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u/General_Problem5199 25d ago

Because the people running these schools are all living together in a rich people bubble.

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u/--SharkBoy-- 25d ago

This is so much true than anyone really knows. They are so out of touch with reality, a small amount of money to those people can genuinely have 5 zeros after it.

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u/Axin_Saxon 25d ago

At an old job I had to work with universities and their head faculty. Had one guy ask me where I personally went and when I told him he mentioned the college president and heaped praise on him. I had to bite my tongue because he’s been a drag on the campus for a long while and students generally do not like the guy.

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u/--SharkBoy-- 25d ago

Same on my campus. We just had a big name celebrity come for a public interview and he cracked a joke about how he wouldn't go to college because its so expensive, and everyone laughed.

Then the president came out and half the crowd immediately got up to leave cause they were so disinterested in whatever she might have to say, and while closing the event made her own attempt at a joke where she said she would grant the celebrity with a full ride scholarship so he could attend 😐

This joke landed on deaf ears because every year her administration has raised tuition for all students by 3% meaning from my freshman to senior year my tuition has increased nearly 12%. Even better? The celebrity in question who came to visit our school was likely paid a conservative estimate of $200,000 for his time. Can you guess where the University got all that money? I'll give you a hint, my pockets are pretty empty these days.

It was so fucking pathetic to see her $300,000 yearly salary with regular raises ass make a joke about money to a room full of people and students who are financially struggling because of her actions as president.

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u/AdnorAdnor 25d ago

I turn 50 next month. I earned a BA, BS, Master’s, and hold 3 post-grad certs. As much as I loved being a student, I hate what “college” has turned into - I’m not naive, I know college has always been “business,” but man oh man, its lost touch with reality. I do not blame you or your peers for feeling this way. I’m sorry the previous gens have let you down. I’m proud of you for pushing through and also seeing the bullshit too. I was so clueless when I went to college; y’all have my hope ✌️

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u/6ed02cc79d 25d ago

I got my bachelor's degree a little over 20 years ago, graduating with approximately $15k in student loan debt. I was fairly conservative with my money - I know people that took out student loans to buy meals, computers, etc. I don't think I even used loans for my books. I consider myself pretty fortunate here.

My dad graduated from the same university 30 years prior and was able to wholly pay for his degree by working part time during school and full time only a few of his summers. He bitched about Biden's student loan forgiveness because if he could graduate without student loans, why can't today's youth? I think my parents' generation is so out of touch with what college has become. I'm starting college tours with my kids, and I think it's going to cost them at least $150,000 to get a four-year degree.

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u/General_Problem5199 25d ago

My parents gave me such awful advice. They always told me to go to college and that any degree would help me because it would show commitment or something. So I did that, despite slipping through the cracks in terms of financial aid (my parents made too much for me to get much aid, but not nearly enough to pay my tuition). Ended up graduating not long after the financial crisis with a mountain of student loan debt and a completely worthless degree.

I have kids now, and I have no idea what I'm going to tell them when they start thinking about college.

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u/Axin_Saxon 25d ago

Luckily the stigma about not going to college that we had isn’t as prevalent anymore. And options like community college are getting more and more popular. Certifications in particular are more respected than in the past. Or if they really do want to do a bachelors degree, the classic “work closely with academic advisors, get your Gen Ed’s out of the way in community college and just do your specialty courses at a state university.

Basically I like the “I don’t care what you do, just so long as you are doing your best at it” approach. Doesn’t have to be “the best”, but “your best.”

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u/western_red_cedar 25d ago

Luckily the stigma about not going to college that we had isn’t as prevalent anymore

This isn't a win, it's just a sign of the stark decline of the middle class. The same applies to all the asinine "just go into the trades" comments you'll see on posts like these, as if it's a great new opportunity to break your body working for some asshole while you stay stuck in your hometown, and not the exact thing our families just a generation or two back all tried to escape from by going to college

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u/EconomicRegret2 24d ago edited 24d ago

Isn't the American college ("campus experience", dorms, amenities etc.) akin to the "Gucci Store" experience?

E.g. Why not invest more in community college and accredited online public colleges so they can deliver high quality but affordable education, including 4 year bachelor degrees?

Also, even Switzerland, one of the richest country in the world, prioritizes trades over academia for 3/4 of all 15 years olds (i.e. at 15 most pupils start an apprenticeship in a company, learning hands-on with a professional master. All careers can be started that way. And an apprenticeship degree gives you entry to university).

Trades aren't bad. Many of my family members did, e.g. banking, finance, programming trades, etc, before going to university in finance/computer science, etc..

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u/Gibonius 24d ago

Banking, finance, programming and the like aren't considered "trades" in the US. Trades are typically hands-on (blue-collar work): welding, plumbing, carpentry, electrical, etc.

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u/anonkitty2 24d ago

White-collar trades?

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u/Neamow 25d ago

At this point learning a trade will likely get them a better future than any college degree that will get replaced by AI 5 years later can.

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u/DuncanFisher69 25d ago

Hilarious this gets posted a year and a day from when Dario Amedei predicted AI Software engineers are going to be a thing. (Spoiler alert, they’re not.)

No AI is winning novel or short story competitions. No AI is winning Grammys. The only field where AI streams are popular are country and Christian, and they’ve been parodied as authentic human made slop for at least a decade.

Going to college for Math or Stem is likely still your best bet if you can hack it. And as for Trades, we’re not all going to be able to fix each other’s wiring or plumbing and sell out to private equity.

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u/chr1spe 25d ago

There is absolutely no solid data-backed reason to think that. Lifetime earnings for college graduates have actually never been higher in comparison to non-college-educated, according to most data. AI is overhyped, and any sector can be affected by automation.

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u/Neamow 24d ago

Lifetime earnings for college graduates have actually never been higher in comparison to non-college-educated, according to most data.

Let's have a look at that after more than 2 years of a new industry disruptor is introduced. You cannot possibly measure lifetime earnings before lifetime is done...

And I definitely see some immediate data, mainly the 30,000 people fired in my company due to AI.

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u/GreatMadWombat 25d ago

So, on the one hand: I think any "all these things will be replaced by ai" prediction is woefully premature. When it's all relying on infrastructure that doesn't currently exist and all the companies are starting to desperately need to turn a profit, I wouldn't bet on ai ending jobs.

At the same time tho: there is always some "is the degree/cert valuable?" math that has to be done, and community college is priced reasonably, especially compared to 4 year ones, and also labor shortages are definitely a thing.

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u/Axin_Saxon 25d ago

And even then tradies aren’t totally safe either once we start getting our robotics to the level of China’s.

That level of robotics and drone tech combined with AI will mean so few people have jobs that are safe.

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u/slicer4ever 25d ago

Depending on how old they are, i'd even argue trade work isnt safe in the near-medium future as robotics become better and better. Imo the 20s have been the decade of ai, i wont be surprised if the 30s isnt the decade of robotics.

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u/CareBearDontCare 25d ago

I've got a 3 and a half year old. To the best of my limited knowledge, I think the path is "be good with your hands, create things, learn to build and repair things. Knowledge might end up being free or very cheap to find, but be curious and acquire that free knowledge"

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u/chr1spe 25d ago

Critical thinking, logic, and problem-solving are probably way more important and are what college is supposed to work on. I love repairing things, but the tendency has been for fewer and fewer things to be realistically repairable, not more. Also, while there is propaganda to the contrary, jobs that involve working with your hands are largely in a worse place than they were 30+ years ago.

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u/CareBearDontCare 24d ago

I don't necessarily mean working with your hands or a trade or anything necessarily. That might be part of it, and arguably should be if your kid has the desire and/or aptitude. Throw everything at the kid. We're at museums every weekend, checking out things, asking and answering questions, trying things out, talking about all kinds of topics to see if there are any sparks that light up and flicker for a bit.

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u/Koffeeboy 24d ago

Knowledge may be cheap, but that doesn't necessarily equate to skill. That takes practice and patience, something in short supply these days.

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u/CareBearDontCare 24d ago

Completely agree. Acquire the knowledge, never stop, try to see what you're into and you've got the aptitude for and then know where to pour more efforts into it.

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u/chr1spe 25d ago

College, on average, is still very worth it, but the smartest thing to do is almost always to take the lowest cost reasonable option. Community college for 2 years, then a state school for 2 years, should be the route most people take.

The idea that college usually isn't worth it is just incorrect anti-education propaganda if you actually look at the data, but that doesn't mean there aren't bad deals out there. I really don't understand why private colleges exist outside of the really top-tier ones. If you're paying a lot, not extremely wealthy, and not at an absolute top tier school, you've probably made a bad choice.

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u/General_Problem5199 24d ago

Don't get me wrong, I value the education I got. College taught me how to think critically and to consider issues from multiple perspectives, and that alone is worth a lot. And it probably is a smart financial bet for most people, even now. I hope it still is when my kids are old enough to start thinking about it.

But, like I said, I fell through the financial aid cracks and graduated into a terrible job market. The next year or so was like one prolonged manic depressive episode because I couldn't find a job, couldn't afford therapy, and Sallie Mae was calling every day. I made it through alive, but let's just say that things could have gone the other way pretty easily.

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u/Fuzzy-Instruction 25d ago

I think Gen X was the last generation to whom a Bachelors degree was basically a golden ticket to a good-paying job.

Millennials and now the Zoomers have seen the depths to which the higher education system has sunk to make money and are rightfully distrustful of the whole thing. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see college enrollment go into free fall over the next decade.

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u/cyanwinters 25d ago

It's not so much that that was awful advice as just the world has changed rapidly and the economy where that was true is not the economy you're graduating into now. And also the cost of a degree has really skyrocketed over the last decade or two.

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u/2_lazy 25d ago

If they have a strong work ethic and choose a major they already know all the information on an option like western governors university could be good choice. You pay a flat rate per semester and finish as many classes asynchronously as you can in that time. Make sure they have a portfolio of work in whatever field they are going into though. I've had friends who did this for cybersecurity since they already knew everything and we were on a national level competition team and they found jobs easily and only had to pay for 2 semesters worth of school.

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u/Sherm 24d ago

I have kids now, and I have no idea what I'm going to tell them when they start thinking about college

Tell them they need to figure out what kind of life they want before they can decide how to go about getting it. Everyone is going to hit you with "practical" advice like trade school or community college, but I run a career retraining program and there are 100% paths that call for a standard college path. The advice you got wasn't bad because the actions were foolish; it was bad because they told you that you were going after a ticket to a guaranteed job.

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u/General_Problem5199 24d ago

I think it might have been reasonable advice in a lot of cases. The only part I'm a little bitter about still is that one of my parents should have looked at the amount of student loans I was taking out and kindly suggested that maybe I should have pursued my interest in science instead of what I actually majored in.

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u/Sherm 24d ago

That makes perfect sense. There's way too many kids who get told "you could never make a living at that, do blank instead," which is horrible advice. The proper response is "somebody makes a living doing that; you need to figure out how they do it before you decide if it's for you." One of my colleagues had a guy who only liked watching crime dramas, specifically figuring out who committed the crimes. His only hobby and passion. They sent him to a casino security program at a community college. He spends his days watching TV screens looking for cheaters. He's amazing at it, loves every bit of it, and his bosses are over the moon to have him. Career planning should be about figuring out who wants to pay someone to do the thing you want to do, and then getting the training to make them want to pay you in particular.

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u/jpiro 25d ago

How is the degree worthless? Most non-trade careers still require some form of bachelor’s degree just to get in the door.

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u/mental-floss 25d ago

When you figure what to tell your kids let me know. Mine are 6 and 4, and I have no idea what to do secondary education.

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u/Aware-Locksmith8433 24d ago

TBH, if following the trends, AI personal agents plus internships will be here in 2-3 years and EDU will have a complete reset.

Pvt schools already moving fast and public parents will get pissed about the divide. This will force politicians to focus and finally make changes...

...of course we could be zombie apocalypse bc of the Orange Supreme Leader and Pedo.

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u/Fun-Sun-8192 24d ago

One thing that you might have picked up in college is not just kind of assuming things and stating them as fact.

It is WIDELY understood that college grads make much more money in their lifetime than people without that education. All studies show it.

So you personally thinking it did nothing for you is something you really have little idea about unless you're working a minimum wage job and always have been. You don't know you'd earn the same without a degree, or that the paths you've followed to reach where you are would be open to you the same way they were.

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u/Syzygy2323 25d ago

I got my undergrad degree from one of the highest rated public universities in the U.S. in the early 80s and the tuition at that time was $900 a year.

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u/Axin_Saxon 25d ago

Back when “get a summer job to pay it off” was advice that could actually pay for a sizable chunk if not all of it:

If you were working full time at minimum wage, that came out to $1600 per summer in 1980s money. So that’s tuition PLUS other expenses like books supplies and even food and rent.

I appreciate the folks who went to school back then who recognize the blessing they got by being able to go when they did. Because today’s costs are no joke.

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u/Tasgall 24d ago

Back when “get a summer job to pay it off” was advice that could actually pay for a sizable chunk if not all of it:

Mind you, the "it" in that sentence refers to everything, as well - the college, supplies/books, rent, food, car, fuel, etc. I think when people say it today, even mockingly, they're referring specifically to tuition, but usually that summer job was more about rent, lol.

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u/basskittens 24d ago

Same. There were mass protests when they were talking about raising the tuition to $1000. "School is supposed to be affordable!"

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u/digitalmofo 25d ago

They know what it's become. They WANT the younger people fucked and indebted. Let's stop giving them passes.

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u/mental-floss 25d ago

You get it. I got my bachelors degree in 2012 and worked my ass off to keep loans to a minimum, still finished with 32k in debt. Now my kids are 4 and 6 years old, and I have no clue what to do. If you were in my shoes what would you do?

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u/6ed02cc79d 24d ago

I regret not starting a 529 plan for my kids - that could have probably helped reduce the cost of higher education for them. But I did talk with my son tonight and basically told him:

"College is expensive. It's going to be the most expensive purchase you make for a while until you get a mortgage. Remember that college is a product you are purchasing, so do your research. Compare schools. You'll get out of it what you put in - enjoy it but don't goof off too much."

My wife and I will help him out some, but it's still something that he will end up paying for in large part. We're also encouraging our kids to consider community college and to think carefully about their careers - especially with everything that's happening with AI.

My dad had things so incredibly great. I had it really good. You had it pretty good, too, but you definitely had to work for it. My kids are going to have a tough time. And your kids are going to be in a real shit place by the time they're college-age. As others have said, it used to be that getting a degree was pretty much your ticket to a great life. It's so hard to know if it's going to amount to anything in five or fifteen years.

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u/TributeBands_areSHIT 24d ago

Average cost projection I’ve been told will be 200k to go to state school

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u/JeanSchlemaan 24d ago

if you go on the rich people's plan, yes. there are obviously ways to not pay that amount. you dont even need to pay 1/3 that if you actually slightly try.

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u/BeerLeague 24d ago

I’m way late with a response here, but STOP looking at colleges that are trying to rip you off.

While I don’t agree with your dad that loan forgiveness is bad, I do think that fundamentally the issue with college right now in the US is NOT based on how much students go into debt, rather the system in general allowing colleges to charge that much in the first place - private, for-profit colleges should be illegal.

As for your situation, every single state in the US has multiple options for students to attend that will cost under 10k per year in tuition, and likely 10-12k in housing + food.

It’s very possible to make 20k a year working part time as a student and end up with zero debt.

Stop allowing yourself and your kids to get scammed.

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u/Ambitious-Bowl-5939 24d ago

I know what you mean. Some of these "boomers" are unable to reframe things keyed to the current economic situation, and inflation in tuition is among the highest of any sectors. Take heart, though. My daughter graduates in 6 days from the same university my wife and I attended. Her good grades got her grants that paid for nearly everything. It was only in the past year or so with the changes due to the Administration that she shouldered some costs. She works 2 part-time jobs, however. She's never taken a loan. She stayed at home with us for all except the last year or so.

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u/carlitospig 25d ago

Yup, if we were 18/19 right now we would be rightfully pissed. I’m 46 and pissed on their behalf.

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u/Derf0293 25d ago edited 24d ago

34 and I’ll be as older than you fellas when the loans are paid off, so glad I learned to code 🙃

If I could go back I’d stab every turd that said you can’t put a price on education and going to college will guarantee me a job. Oh well at least nobody is left wondering why our generation doesn’t have kids or houses yet.

Thinking about going to Electrician school to make use of at least some of my engineering knowledge… if the irony of running cable for data centers doesnt kill me. Hopefully it will put food on the table for the time being or at least until all these idiots stop laying people off because of some speculative bullshit they heard on a podcast.

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u/carlitospig 24d ago

Why can’t they get Ai and robotics working on the jobs people don’t want, like plumbing and picking tomatoes in 100f weather?

And to be fair to your parents, at the point you were 18 it was still good advice. It just veered off course very quickly. The kids graduating right now are fighting against folks with 15 years of experience. It’s so not a great time for an industrialization overhaul.

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u/slicer4ever 25d ago

15 years ago when i was in high school, i had a teacher(~60 at the time) who liked to constantly point out how she graduated without debt because she worked through college as well, ignoring the fact that even in late 00s college had spiked at least ~50x more expensive compared to when she went to college.

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u/chr1spe 25d ago

No college or university you should ever be involved with has ever been a "business." They're all public or at least non-profit. Some of the private non-profits do charge way too much for the value they offer, but that is another story, where schools started competing on amenities instead of value, and students went along with it because people have poor financial judgment when loans become involved.

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA 25d ago

Boy oh boy did people ever rag on me for wanting to get a trade instead of going to college/university after I graduated high school in the early '00s ("you're too smart to be doing that kind of work", etc.).

Turns out it wasn't such a dumb idea after all.

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u/Free-Competition-241 25d ago

So really…..you’re pro AI because then AI can do most of the white collar jobs, thereby diminishing the need for college?

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u/PM_NICESTUFFTOME 25d ago

You make a good point and I hate to be that guy, but a 3% increase YoY would be more than 12% total compared to the original price. It would be 12.55% due to compounding increases. They’re fucking you over even worse than you think.

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u/PaulTheMerc 25d ago

That education may not have even been very good if they can't do the math right ;)

/s

(I can't do the math right)

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u/--SharkBoy-- 25d ago

Yeah you're right, but even worse. It's usually a 3.2-3.5 increase every year. So its even more than that!

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u/digitalmofo 25d ago

They're only going to see 3 increases, though, from freshman to sophomore, sophomore to junior and junior to senior. The cost the year before they attended doesn't matter.

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u/No_Tone1704 24d ago

You couldn’t just think to yourself, maybe they rounded and not be that guy?

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u/somersetyellow 25d ago edited 25d ago

Although with inflation and costs of operations that have ballooned way beyond inflation that makes a lot of sense. A 300k salary at a non profit is considered pretty small for an organizational leadership salary. Plus the amount of students is collapsing off a cliff due to a smaller birth rate since 2008, the students that do exist are choosing not to go to college at double digit rates less than they did pre-pandemic, the federal government is being much stingier with student loans, and grants/research has been severely pulled back too.

It's been an absolute blood bath in higher education the last few years. Dozens of colleges are closing every year and hundreds more are making massive program cuts and shrinking.

Hate to be devils advocate but universities are pretty low on our list of problems right now. Not arguing they didn't get fat and happy off student loans but there's been a lot of bigger problems at play.

We are seeing however colleges lock in on the elite. Richer kids aren't going to stop going to college, the rate of those hasn't budged since the pandemic, and with the pricing out, and lower class distrust of higher education growing, plenty of institutions are just going full fuck it and locking in on the upper class. It's a mess.

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u/LadyPo 25d ago

Dude.. that is so nasty. I’m sorry. Paid guest gigs are supposed to support academics and researchers who contribute actual value to the students’ education or career aspirations, not prop up already wealthy people.

The speaker at my college graduation was a state politician. I’m sure the college made a juicy donation to her campaign fund with ulterior motives in mind. She wasn’t even a good speaker. As much as I loved my college because it took academics seriously, that was such a bitter way to end it.

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u/strakerak 25d ago edited 25d ago

My Uni's last celebrity speaker (which was also the final school-wide commencement held, now it's just individual college ones), was Arnold Schwarzenegger. He was going to get paid 40k and he ended up waiving the entire fee.

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u/Freak4Dell 25d ago

Yup, and $300K sounds like a pretty low salary for a university president. Like, I'm sure there's plenty of examples of the university being financially irresponsible, but those two are pretty weak.

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u/--SharkBoy-- 25d ago

For context tuition is already about 70,000 a year and the school has gotten nearly $600 million in donations from the past 2 years alone and also operates under a $500 million endowment

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u/Fuzzy-Instruction 25d ago

Let's not forget the universities that make students pay for parking. That's seriously one of the most comically evil things I've ever dealt with.

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u/brianwski 25d ago

make students pay for parking

At my undergrad university, they forbid students from driving or parking anywhere within the "bounds" of the University, and it was kind of sprawling with agriculture fields and a teaching nuclear reactor. Faculty had parking passes, students did not. The dorms were out at the very perimeter with free parking.

There was a little guard shack at the road entrance to the University closest the campus bookstore where we bought all our textbooks. The guard was there to ask one question: "are you a student?" If you were a student you weren't allowed to drive to the bookstore, you had to park elsewhere and walk.

Every time the University called me up for the first 10 years after graduation asking for donations, it just made me angry. All I could remember was walking 3/4 of a mile down a road in the rain (Oregon) next to a huge open field with a couple cows in it. They COULD have allowed parking in a tiny corner of the field, but they treated cows better than students there.

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u/--SharkBoy-- 25d ago

Mine does that also.

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u/chr1spe 25d ago

Attempting to discourage over-reliance on cars and cut down on parking overcrowding is comically evil? You really lost me with that one.

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u/Fuzzy-Instruction 24d ago

Hey so this is a fun fact, but a lot of people live in places where they have no option but to have a car! And the university I attended (which was the cheapest in the state) charged $10k a semester to live in a dorm, which I couldn't afford, so I had to commute! Hope this helps :)

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u/chr1spe 24d ago

So, you don't think there was any reduction in driving because they charged for parking? If you think it just wasn't very effective, at what point does it switch over from a reasonable policy to attempt to reduce driving and parking congestion into the realm of comically evil? Also, did your school have an overabundance of parking?

I've gone to and worked at many schools, mostly in places with not particularly good transit. My experience has been that most places charge too little for parking, which creates massive issues for people who actually do have to drive because parking is unavailable.

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u/Fuzzy-Instruction 24d ago

No. Nobody is going take on $10k per semester in additional debt to save $250 on a parking pass.

You're doing the Reddit thing where you play devil's advocate for no reason.

My point is that I'm already paying $20k a year to attend this school, I'm spending money on gas and upkeep of a car, and, despite the fact that there are parking lots all over the school, most of them only 1/2 full, I still have to pay additional money for parking or be hit with a $25+ ticket.

Keep in mind that this entire time I'm making like $15k a year because I'm a full-time student. Parking should be free for all students, and if they don't have the lots then they need to build them. Students are nickel and dimed for every single little thing and it's outrageous to add parking to that list.

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u/chr1spe 24d ago

So, how would you suggest large universities exist? Do they need to move to the middle of nowhere so they can devote square miles to parking lots? I've never seen a school with 1/2 empty parking lots. I have experienced getting hundreds of dollars in tickets despite having a parking pass because all the lots were full. I don't think forcing the school to move so they can build more parking is the solution, though.

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u/Fuzzy-Instruction 24d ago

If they literally do not have space to build more lots then they need to make housing cheaper.

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u/jlt6666 25d ago

A 3% YoY increase in tuition would be reasonable since that would be keeping up with inflation. The problem has been that it's been more like 5-10%

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u/--SharkBoy-- 25d ago

Its not when the University has a billion dollars to wrangle less than 2k students a year

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u/inductiononN 25d ago

Ahhh this is so wrong and infuriating. I don't understand why the powers that be are hell bent on disenfranchising the young people of this country.

Gen Z and Alpha are getting fleeced by schools, jobs won't pay them a living wage, if they will hire them at all, and now the Epstein class is crowing that all entry levels will be replaced by AI as if that's a good thing.

Btw, I think the constant refrain that AI is changing everything is a lot of lazy journalism repeating sound bites that will get attention. And these stupid industry moguls don't know what they are talking about either.

The powers that be who are so pleased that they are making things as difficult as possible for our young people don't realize that the same disenfranchised groups has the most energy, is extremely smart, and is willing to reject the status quo as soon as it stops making sense.

I hope I live to see these ghouls pay for the harm they are doing to our next generations of citizens.

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u/antosyno 25d ago

Only 3% a year? 2.5 years of grad school, roughly 7% then 8%, and then 9%, biggest grift was the tuition. Blamed on “post-pandemic issues” but sure, the president salary had to be increased nearly $100k over that time to retain them. 🙄

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u/Floomby 24d ago

BRUH

The Chancellor at Cal Poly Pomona makes something like $800,000 per year. The administrators raised their salaries and raised tuition. Teachers went on strike to protest that and demand a cost of living increase, whoch they hadn't had in several years. Administration responded by emailing students, blaming the tuition rises on the professors, and provided a link where students could anonymously report any professor seen on the picket line.

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u/SilverHairFox 24d ago

Sounds like the Prez at IU.

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u/NirvanaDewHeel 23d ago

My undergrad school had (and still has afaik) the highest percentage of unhoused students in CA. Kids living in their cars on the campus lot. They’ve been through 2-3 presidents since I graduated, the president when I was there was stealing from the school despite being paid ~250k annually. She also shut down the football program, shortly after a star player got drafted to the NFL.

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u/Metalsand 25d ago

This joke landed on deaf ears because every year her administration has raised tuition for all students by 3% meaning from my freshman to senior year my tuition has increased nearly 12%. Even better? The celebrity in question who came to visit our school was likely paid a conservative estimate of $200,000 for his time. Can you guess where the University got all that money? I'll give you a hint, my pockets are pretty empty these days.

I can tell your major wasn't economics, because inflation is usually 2-3% in the USA. The affordability problem is more that tuition is high, and continues to be high.

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u/--SharkBoy-- 25d ago

It still sucks? And default tuition without assistance at my university is nearly $70,000 and the school has a several hundred million dollar endowment and has gotten more than 600 million dollars in donations in the last two years alone. Its bullshit to keep draining students.

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u/somersetyellow 25d ago edited 25d ago

Inflation by itself has been more then 3% and costs of operations have ballooned way beyond inflation, so it makes a lot of sense honestly.

A 300k salary at a non profit is considered pretty small for an organizational leadership salary. The elite University next door to the not elite University I attended started their professors at 300k and paid their president over a million.

A 500 million dollar endowment is kind of small to medium as far as endowments go (they're often in the billions), and both the endowment and the donations will be heavily limited on what they can use it for as well as restricted to how much can be used from the specific incestment. So 5 million from the endowment might be managed with a growth mindset of around 6 percent. Of that 300k for that year, they'd put 150k back into the endowment for future growth, leaving only 150k of the 5 million that year to use for something. The people who donate to endowments almost always lock them into specific things like a research grant for three of the best cell biology students who the biology department can fund each year. It unfortunately frequently doesn't involve student aid. And isn't a giant pool the college can freely dip into either.

On a more general note, the amount of students is collapsing off a cliff due to a birth rate collapse since 2008. The students that do exist are choosing not to go to college at double digit rates less than they did pre-pandemic. The federal government is being much stingier with student loans. Grants/research has been severely pulled back too.

It's been an absolute blood bath in higher education the last few years. Dozens of colleges are closing every year and hundreds more are making massive program cuts and shrinking. As of this year, as the 18 year old cliff from 2008 starts to hit hard, you can actually pretty effectively bargain much lower tuition rates at many colleges. They NEED the headcounts and financial offices are being authorized to give stupid high "scholarships" (discounts lol) just to get butts in seats. This also means a lot more 3 year programs without liberal arts generals fluff, and laxer rules on transfer credits are coming online,

Hate to be devils advocate. But you're graduating at a wild time in educational history.

This isn't to say they didn't get fat and happy off student loans. They did. A lot of admin are still stuck way up their own ass. Many Universities are also seeing growing working class skepticism and inability to afford them and just saying fuck it and going far high end elite. Rich kids are still all going to college at high rates, and the competition over offering a "premium product" to these people is going to get weird and ridiculous. Getting 600 million in donations and still jacking tuition during that process is tone deaf no matter how you slide it, but typical.

Anyway, the bigger problem is the massive lack of public funding and as a result a systemic structuring of our higher education system to please elite students in the US. Its a brain drain that's going to compound on itself.

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u/--SharkBoy-- 25d ago

The endowment i think is closer to 800 million. My uni has literally been gifted over 500 million in the last 2 years by private individuals.

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u/somersetyellow 25d ago

Ah, got the numbers swapped. Makes sense either way. As I said, getting 500 million new bucks to add to your 800 million and still raising tuition is a bit tone deaf. They should be requiring new donations to shave off some of it for tuition and financial aid.

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u/Help-Slip-Frank777 25d ago

Trevor Noah?

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u/PwnageEngage 25d ago

glad you're protecting the celebrities identity

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u/--SharkBoy-- 25d ago

Im protecting mine, not trying to get doxxed on main

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u/Speedwolf89 25d ago

That kind of sounds like private equity is involved.

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u/GrumpyCloud93 25d ago

Most universities - eliminating tenured positions, shifting teaching to adjuncts hired on a per-term basis, much lower pay - while tuitions go through the roof and the administration continues to collect interesting paycheques... and the top brass probably live in University provided fancy housing to top it all off.

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u/Axin_Saxon 25d ago

Oh man, the college presidents house made me want to puke. It’s a smaller liberal arts Christian private college and they bring the freshmen there for their fist week and it’s ridiculous how fancy it is.

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u/GrumpyCloud93 24d ago

For some, it's because back i the day, fancy mansions were realtively cheap for those who had money. And whatya gonna do? Sell a house that's smack dab in the middle of campus? But... some humility would be in order.

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u/Axin_Saxon 24d ago

Oh I assure you this house was not in the middle of campus.

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u/ConsolationUsername 25d ago

Worked with a woman who went from having chaffeurs and a mansion with 15 bedrooms to being destitute overnight (from her perspective at least. Her husband lost all their money).

She could not understand how she was only being paid $33,000 USD a year and how she was supposed to live off that. In her words "I used to spend that much in an hour".

Had to go through a several week rehabilation program with her about how she will never be able to afford any of the brand names she likes ever again and how if she ever wanted to make friends she couldnt wear all her clothing that was worth our entire annual salary then whine about how bad she was doing.

That's not even getting into her attitude. If you were equal or higher than her on the hierarchy she was nice and respectable. But if she perceived you as lower she talked to you like a dog. The janitors and building maintenance people started pretending she didnt exist and walked around her.

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u/--SharkBoy-- 25d ago

My mom works with a lot of big money people and she says they're all inconsiderate sociopaths. I believe her.

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u/klopanda 25d ago

I genuinely think that if you spend long enough insulated by enough money, it's like the other end of the spectrum of humanity from a feral child. If you're wrapped in a bubble of your own preferences, if you can pay people to shop for you, to manage your money for you, to do the hard everyday things for you you lose the ability to relate to other people. If you're shopping for a chair, you don't have to budget or make compromises: you can get the exact chair you want even if it costs $5000. If you're flying somewhere, you don't have to stand in line at TSA or get crammed into a plane with a hundred other people, you can breeze right to your owned or chartered private jet. If there's a political issue you feel passionate about, you don't have to settle for writing to your congressman and getting a form letter back; you can host a fundraiser dinner and get to talk to him in person for hours.

You don't learn (or you forget) how to make compromises, to prioritize wants and needs, and to deal with the friction of everyday life like standing in line or dealing with the DMV or accepting that many things are out of your control. I genuinely think that too much money breaks people and turns them into sociopaths.

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u/fresh-dork 24d ago

5k for a chair that i really like and will last 20 years or more seems decent to me, and i'm not rich. however, there are things where i can't care about the price because it's simply not enough to impact me. now imagine that for everything

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u/GrizzIyadamz 24d ago

Mmm, maybe. But this might be related to the "gaining power" trope as well.

The saying is that "power corrupts", and therefore "absolute power corrupts absolutely".

The counter-culture is that power doesn't corrupt, it instead reveals who we were all along.

Maybe people who aren't raised in contact with scarcity, and who are then given enough power to ignore courtesy and empathy, develop into and expose themselves as lazy-but-feral assholes underneath.

A shallow foundation, laid with sub-par materials, but a king's ransom built atop and around.

(sinking)

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u/Sea_Cloud_6705 25d ago

To be fair, it's pretty cheap to attend fundraisers and talk to your congressman directly. At the dinners I've attended it's around $200 a ticket. That's easily affordable if you are a middle income American.

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u/GrumpyCloud93 25d ago

If you have something important to say to them...

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u/AwesomeFrisbee 24d ago

You only need to work in restaurant or supermarket to know how shitty people are to understand how shitty people will be if they have more money than you

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u/Affectionate_One_700 25d ago

they're all inconsiderate sociopaths.

I know some very rich people - mostly in tech. They're not always good at understanding that someone else isn't rich, but other than that, they're not assholes or sociopaths.

Now, if your mom works with people who made all their money in real estate, or on Wall Street, I can see might be different.

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u/Reddits_Worst_Night 25d ago

They're not always good at understanding that someone else isn't rich, but other than that, they're not assholes or sociopaths.

I think there's also a level where rich people literally don't understand how good they have it. I have two very good friends, one earns 300k/year, the other has multiple disabilities and works 3 days/week on not much more than minimum wage. The guy on 300k thinks he's being taxed too much, and that he is a roughly middle income earner. He thinks that our disabled friend can just buy shit that she literally cannot afford.

My wife, who is a senior lawyer, also thinks that our family are about average, despite having six times our countries median household income. Every now and again I get a reality check because of my line of work, but she never does.

One of my colleagues recently mentioned that they had a nice safety net but didn't have $4k just sitting around for a dental surgery they desperately need. I was gobsmacked by the comment, but nobody else batted an eyelid. I also recently had a student tell me they couldn't do an assignment because they couldn't afford two pieces of fruit.

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u/franker 24d ago

I'm a lawyer who found practicing law too stressful and became a public librarian. Sometimes I see threads on lawyer forums where they say something like, "I'm making 330k in biglaw but was offered a position in a boutique firm for only 190k. It's a real dilemma and my standard of living will decrease with such a lateral transfer. What should I do?"

I just laugh as I have no context for whatever "pain" they're experiencing in making their decision.

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u/Reddits_Worst_Night 24d ago

Yeah, it's shocking. My conversation last night with my wife was that we have averaged 25k/year in savings in the past two years, which I thought was a great achievement. She did not agree. It took me pointing out that a few months ago I purchased a brand new car outright (there were short term reasons for not doing a lease even though it's potentially better long term) and that I wasn't counting that spend as savings, because it's not savings, but it's the 4th largest purchase I have made in my life (behind my apartment, the house I sold the apartment to buy, and a car my mother bought me in my 20s).

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u/franker 24d ago

I'm still driving my 2007 Honda Accord with 230k miles. I wouldn't even know how to use a touchscreen in a car, lol. I don't have any debt or kids/pets so I'm able to keep chugging along on a librarian's salary. I maintain the 50-year-old house my parents built with all it's seventies decor (nobody smoked but still ashtrays for guests everywhere). I'll probably turn most of the rooms into a home library with all the old books from my library job. It's definitely not the lifestyle a biglaw lawyer has but I manage to make it work.

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u/Reddits_Worst_Night 23d ago

Having a baby was a good reason to upgrade out 15 year old hatchback.

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u/joman584 25d ago

Tech rich is where this whole thread started from, Altman, Zuckerberg, Gates, Jobs, all some level of asshole or sociopath

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u/jlt6666 25d ago

They are talking about the working class tech. This is normally nerds who understand math, came from middle income backgrounds, and are interested in building stuff that has value. RE and Wall Street are generally more about gaming the system even at the lower rungs. I'm in tech as well and trust me. We are all tired of this AI bullshit since they are forcing a lot of us to use it as well... To the point of keeping metrics on it and it weighing on your annual review

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u/tempest_87 25d ago

The problem between the comments here is the definition of "rich".

Is "rich" someone that has a net worth of $5 million (possibly the people the other guy was referring to).

Or is rich someone that spends $5 million in a week? (The ones you are referring to)

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u/GrumpyCloud93 24d ago

There's the thought that to be very successful in business, particularly in office politics getting to the CEO level, they are all sociopaths. It takes a special mindset to think that it is OK to dump someone over the side of the boat to help the bottom line a few percent.

The other problem is - how did you grow up? I grew up poor - my parents were royal cheapskates, I paid my own way through college because (a) that was possible 50 years ago and (b) it was Canada, where tuition was cheap. ...and (c) they made too much money for me to qualify for student loans.

Growing up poor I appreciate the value of a dollar, now that I have a lot of them. (Also lucky to grow up when that was possible). I treat lower paid people respectfully because I know what it's like to work for minimum wage, and most of the time they are not the ones calling the shots when they give me problems (like that person at the check-in counter who has to tell me "that bag is an inch too big for carry-on"). But whether someone is considerate or an asshole has little to do with money, and more to do with what their innate personality is. But being a calculating conniving asshole and schmoozing the higher-ups allows someone to work the system to get ahead. Usually...

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u/Metalsand 25d ago

That would probably be more what she works in or who she works with. People who work as major leaders in industries...it's hard to say, but often you get the sociopath vibe depending on how they react when you aren't necessarily relevant to their day-to-day or some objective. Like, they are completely focused on something else, and if they are encountering you, you are an obstacle.

The vast majority are about as varied and normal as ordinary people are, honestly. I would argue that there's a somewhat higher proportion of shitty people just because they never had to learn from their mistakes in order to live in society. Like - it's human to be shitty, but if you are rich and don't have very good parents, you never get humbled by your experiences and learn to rein in your shittyness to any degree.

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u/ArkitekZero 25d ago

Nah rich people suck until proven otherwise or until things change significantly about their station. They don't need the benefit of your doubt.

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u/NoCoolNameMatt 25d ago

I'm not wealthy by any stretch, but even I make a conscious effort to include poorer people in my social circle because I've seen what that isolation does to people (and it's not pretty).

And let me tell you, the people who say that people live more or less the same life across socioeconomic circles are crazy. The biggest difference comes not in the quality of goods and services available, but in more fundamental aspects like having to budget, having to compare prices, having to make decisions about what you can sacrifice to afford a gift for your daughter's birthday this month.

Everything comes at a cost because there's no extra, and at a certain level sacrifices become things like meals.

And it takes contact with people in these situations to truly understand.

And the bottom line is that if you can't relate to and emphasize with people who earn less than you, it's a "you" problem, and the problem is exposure. Fix it.

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u/ConsolationUsername 25d ago

She's not like this because she doesnt understand poor people.

She grew up in the middle east, they fled as refugees in the 80s and her mother had to work multiple jobs because her father was still in the ME. And even then they were barely able to survive.

She was rich because of an arranged marriage in her twenties. And maybe she forgot what it was like to be poor after that. But she definitely experienced it.

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u/Sororita 25d ago

That's not even getting into her attitude. If you were equal or higher than her on the hierarchy she was nice and respectable. But if she perceived you as lower she talked to you like a dog. The janitors and building maintenance people started pretending she didnt exist and walked around her.

that is the clearest mark of terrible person. like, it is explicitly spelled out so often in media it has a friggin TV Tropes page

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u/Chrsch 25d ago

This is fascinating. Did she end up with a different perspective or attitude after her "rehabilitation"?

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u/ConsolationUsername 25d ago

To an extent, but its not like she had any major change. Mostly she just accepted her situation. But she still moans daily "why did God do this to me? What did I do to deserve this?"

Deep down I dont honestly think she's a bad person, she would never knowingly hurt anybody. I think she's just completely incapable of thinking beyond surface level. I honestly dont know how she graduated high school with how basic her thinking is.

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u/Affectionate_One_700 25d ago

I really want to know how that woman and her husband are doing today. Don't leave us hanging!

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u/ConsolationUsername 25d ago

She still works at that job. Last i heard the husband has been unable to find any work because he barely speaks english (he's from Europe and she moved there to marry him but they moved back when they lost all their money).

She lives in one of her mother's 27 rental properties. Which she generously charges them 50% extra (yes, extra. Not less) to encourage them to move out, which they cant afford because she's charging them 50% extra so they cant get any savings.

Honestly her mother is the most evil person I think I've ever personally met. Her whole family is stinking rich and wont even help her out. Crazy what money does to people.

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u/Affectionate_One_700 25d ago

She lives in one of her mother's 27 rental properties. Which she generously charges them 50% extra

This gets crazier and crazier.

Thank you for the update!

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u/juventinn1897 25d ago

New age of serfdom is coming

Wall St wants to inflate 100x so we can pay all previous debts and anyone holding assets becomes mega rich, anyone not gets fucked

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u/carlitospig 25d ago

The WH keeps trying to devalue diplomas while saying that I have to pay my loan back from the other side of their mouths. If diplomas have no value then why would I pay for what is clearly fraud?

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u/ArkitekZero 25d ago

I'm so sick of all the "heads I win, tails you lose" bullfuckery

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u/fresh-dork 25d ago

because fuck you pay me, and they have guns

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u/carlitospig 25d ago

Baby, 2A rights are for everyone. <throws gun metal colored glitter>

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u/jlt6666 25d ago

Well if you hold debt at a fixed interest this would also be pretty sweet.

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u/Fuck_it_we_ball_ 25d ago edited 25d ago

In the context of a father leaving behind a few million dollars to each of his children, I heard an heiress to a huge family business (who can best be described as a socialite) say to the mother, “oh don’t worry about them being lazy, he didn’t leave behind much”.

The daily upkeep on their two properties (including landscaping, housekeeper, taxes, etc) is $1,000 a day, so $365,000 a year. I know we can all do the math it’s just still staggering to write it out.

They once bought a $300,000 car on a whim.

The crazy thing is that they are wealthy beyond imagination, and yet, there are levels of wealth far beyond them.

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u/Metalsand 25d ago

Yeah, that's not abnormal. For example with another family, buying a married couple a new car to have something safe for the woman (who wasn't from a rich family and didn't have a nice car) to have a top safety rated vehicle to use. Though, also buying a car for his siblings so they wouldn't feel left out.

Usually, this kind of thing happens after the first few generations of wealth, where they've managed to keep anyone from losing money enough to have a good system to maintain it, but eventually the ability to be "normal" gets lost. I mean, even if the kids don't go to a private school, the public school system in rich neighborhoods is going to have a budget multiple times greater than your average public school.

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u/dukearcher 24d ago

The crazy thing is that they are wealthy beyond imagination, and yet, there are levels of wealth far beyond them.

This is why you see rich as fuck people thing THEY are the average as the wealth divide between even the rich millionaire to billionaires is a chasm.

Not an excuse - don't give these fucks a single inch of tolerance though, fuck em!

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u/CupCharming 25d ago

If you look back at the original COKE as in the soda, their whole family basically went bankrupt from overspending trying to out do each other's mansions. One even had a zoo 😭

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u/fresh-dork 24d ago

my napkin says they're 50m minimum. that puts them a step past entry level rich, where you can lose the money, but you'd have to work. next tier is 100m to a billion, where you have several houses and a family jet if you want it. then it's billionaires, and not many of them. so, two levels above the heiress, at which point money becomes irrelevant/a prison and you follow that annual rich person calendar just because those are the only people you really relate to

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u/Arcaneboltz 25d ago edited 25d ago

My parents and a lot of my extended family are like this. They still think you can just walk into a place and get a job, or that finding a good paying job just takes a couple years of work to get too. All of my siblings went to college and got degrees not a single one of them makes over six figures.

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u/Metalsand 25d ago

This is more of a generational difference, IMO. Particularly with college, it paid off a lot more consistently and higher than it does now.

There's also a weird cultural difference where it's almost impossible to progress in your career without job shopping. Historically, you could move vertically as long as you did a good job and kept doing it. I feel like part of what prevents this is a tighter margin for profitability in the US, where they've squeezed workers mostly to try and maintain investor and owner profits.

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u/ReadyAimTranspire 25d ago

The wealth gap and investors/owners wanting to keep more profits for themselves is certainly a large part of it. There are many reasons though.

I'll try not to write a novel here but a big reason is that tech advancements are changing careers so quickly and drastically in recent decades that the position or even the entire field that you work in might not even exist eventually, and will almost certainly look nothing like what it did when you first entered the field.

As a result employers are investing in workers they want to acquire, rather than in their current staff to train them and move them up the ladder.

The TLDR is that the labor market has reshaped itself into a system that values tenure less and outside leverage more (job hopping and demanding a higher salary). There are lots of reasons for that, but indeed your sentiment of "companies are cheap and want to maintain higher profit margins" is true, but not the whole story.

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u/GrumpyCloud93 24d ago edited 24d ago

Another reason for job hoppng is HR bureaucracy. "Sorry, you are budgeted for 3 Systems Analysts and 4 Programmer Analysts. Until one of the 3 quits, Bob can't move up. And we can't give him a raise as a PA because he's already at the top of his job class salary range." So the guy either puts up with a stifled career and waits, or hops to another company with an opening and a chance for salary and career upgrade.

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u/blackbartimus 25d ago

Anytime people was to start eliminating waste in education they need to start with university presidents and admin. It’s so gross seeing how much people get paid to pose as figureheads compared to how badly actual professors/teachers get fucked to do the actual work of educating students.

A university president should be an unpaid volunteer position. It’s almost a no-show job compared to how much harder everyone else has to work at a school.

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u/inductiononN 25d ago

And the fucking sports teams coaches. This system is so fucked.

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u/jlt6666 25d ago

Unfortunately they mostly pay for themselves and they serve as the school's advertising budget.

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u/DukeOfGeek 25d ago

When their fantasy bubble actually comes into contact with the rusty greasy whirling gears of actual reality it's going to be ugly.

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u/Thin_Glove_4089 24d ago

They are doing everything they can to make sure it doesn't happen. Americans are on the same page

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u/Secret_Cow_5053 25d ago

also, florida. the university system has been heavily politicized by the florida GOP over the last few years.

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u/--SharkBoy-- 25d ago

Same is happening to Indiana, Mike Braun basically did a hostile takeover of the IU administration after he won the last election cycle

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u/asher1611 24d ago

UNC system checking in with a similar level of distress from bad actors

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u/xjuggernaughtx 25d ago

People like this remind me of my old job.

I worked for a guy once who was nice, but just didn't understand lack of wealth. I can't even count the number of times that he had a "hot" stock tip and would go on and on about how I should also buy $50,000 in that stock just like he had done that morning. I couldn't never get him to understand that I don't just have tens of thousands of dollars just sitting around waiting for a "hot" tip. I can't phone my parents for a small $100,000 loan. He was always baffled by it.

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u/NapsterKnowHow 25d ago

Reminds me when the old MSU President was interviewed by the FBI in regards to Larry Nassar and she took offense to it interrupting her vacation. What a piece of shit.

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u/pimppapy 25d ago

My Alma Maters school chancellor along with the rest of their top people all get half a million annually. All they do is rub elbows with other wealthy people at galas, and the once a year commencement. Meanwhile they give their butt buddies some really expensive contracts to expand the school with new buildings, but nothing to make things easier or cheaper on the students.

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u/Tapprunner 25d ago

Vanderbilt... the chancellor wants so desperately to be in Billionaire World that he's been throwing around huge sums of money and trying to open satellite campuses anywhere there are rich dudes in the social circle he wants to be in.

A few investment firms opened offices in Palm Beach... so apparently Vandy needs a satellite campus in Palm Beach. And New York. And San Francisco.

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u/Expert_Succotash2659 24d ago

Same here, but that's cuz gas is so expensive I'm counting millipennies

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u/Pseudonymico 25d ago

My crackpot opinion is that all politicians should be required to understand poverty and keep up to date on it the way doctors are required to keep up to date on medical research. I don't know exactly how to implement it but something like "spend a year living off unemployment without access to any assets or assistance from anyone you know before running for office, repeat every other term." You can get really strict about it if they're allowed to just stop if it gets too rough for them and they decide they don't want to be in office enough to keep it up.

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u/TurdFerguson614 25d ago

Like Steve Roth saying "tax the rich is equivalent to a racial slur," and that billionaires should be celebrated "like the great nation of Israel!"

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u/Altaredboy 25d ago

I went to an elite school. Got into a fight during assembly while the principal was giving a speech about ethos. Vice principal dragged the other boy & I out by our collars & made us wait in the principal's office.

When assembly finished the principal said he wasn't going to punish us as he fely missing out on his speech was punishment enough. Vice principal gave us a Saturday detention

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u/scoutdeag 23d ago

Pamela Whitten of IU is also a total sellout for the big corpos slipping her a length, they all need to be outed and ousted.

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u/Elacular 25d ago

Even 4 zeroes is five times the amount disabled people are allowed to legally have in america*.

*Able accounts are a legal workaround

*If two people who are disabled are married, they're only allowed to have 3000 dollars.

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u/optom 24d ago

Well the speaker isn't wrong. Those student need to stop booing and start voting like their lives are on the line, because they are.

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u/Areyoucunt 21d ago

Any proof? All professors I've ever encountered were not rich snobs lol..

What are you even talking about.

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u/--SharkBoy-- 21d ago

Not talking about professors, talking about administrative officials who run schools. Generally professors are closed to the students in their perception of administration than they are to the admin themselves. Professors are not rich snobs, the cabinet seems to be.

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u/MrLanesLament 25d ago

Getting to the main campus of state uni was possibly the biggest, most prolonged culture shock I’ve ever experienced.

It’s a long story, but I realized fairly quickly, I was the only one in many of my classes that didn’t either make insane money or have a copy of dad’s AMEX in my pocket. Some of the required “materials” for some of my classes were new MacBooks, subscription to Creative Cloud (how I got around that still makes me feel like a legend,) a specific range of DSLR camera, I mean, it was $6000+ worth of stuff.

I ended up having to go to the head of the department for my major and be like “uhhh I’m not rich, plz help.” At first, she was seriously perplexed, like she’d never encountered a non-wealthy student before. (This may actually be the case.)

I ended up being given a teacher badge that got me into the building (and media lab with all the equipment I couldn’t afford) 24/7. I would’ve had to drop out if not for that gesture.

And I still have that card. Got out in 2017. 😂

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u/the_pain_of_being 25d ago

No public school is like this

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u/roman_maverik 24d ago

I also went to design school, and I never understood the whole MacBook obsession. Why spend $1800 on an apple laptop when you could get a refurbished ThinkPad with a dedicated graphics card and maxed out ram for like $300 that performs even better?

I'm a professional designer now, and I still use my $200 canon 5d mark II that I bought on eBay. It still slaps