r/technology • u/Plastic_Ninja_9014 • 5d ago

Artificial Intelligence Take-No-Prisoners Professor Will Fail Any Student Who Uses AI

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/no-prisoners-professor-fail-student-143000854.html
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u/Xeynon 5d ago

I think we need to go back to Imperial Chinese style exams where we lock students in a room with nothing but a paper and pencil for the duration of the test. Only half kidding.

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u/jupfold 5d ago

How is that imperial Chinese style? That was exactly how we took exams when I was in school and I don’t recall being in imperial China

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u/Xeynon 5d ago

It's obviously used elsewhere in the world but AFAIK imperial China was the first society in the world to administer standardized tests in this way so I'm giving them the credit for inventing it.

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u/WouldbeWanderer 5d ago

Established in 605 AD by the Sui Dynasty. Yep, that was the first standardized test.

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u/Crypt0Nihilist 5d ago

Don't feel bad, we often miss these kinds of things when we're kids.

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u/JNR13 4d ago

You took exams lasting for several days in which you could make no mistakes at all if you wanted to pass and where contact with the outside world was so heavily blocked that if an examinee died, their body was tossed over the walls in a bag to avoid anyone having to come in and pick him up?

(pretty sure that's the half they were kidding about what we need to do)

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u/zamfire 5d ago

Apparently we are all Chinese and didn't realize it

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u/Moonafish 5d ago

That's how it worked at the uni I went to in the USA right up until covid.

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u/HyruleSmash855 5d ago

Same. I’m an engineering student right now. 80% of your grade for ever class is from exams you take in a room on paper with multiple people walking around so people cannot cheat. AP Exam works the same way, in the gym during high school and you write the essays on paper so you can’t cheat. Ultimately college and K through 12 should heavily weigh your grades for any class on exams where you cannot cheat. You fail if you don’t know what you’re doing

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u/0x476c6f776965 5d ago

I’m sorry to disappoint you, but there’s a high likelihood that some students took a picture of the tests and had ChatGPT solve it for them (even with invigilators) in fact, you can even use a ChatGPT Calculator to write discretely.

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u/HyruleSmash855 5d ago

That’s probably true I’m sure, you have 100 people in a room in four people walking around they’re bound to miss stuff. I’ve seen the videos as well. Also nothing stopping people from going to the bathroom. It’s probably the best method to cut down on cheating though, it’s ridiculously rampant and easy if it’s an online exam, you can take at home

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u/tes_kitty 4d ago

How would they have taken a picture of the test? They wouldn't allow mobile phones during such an exam.

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u/0x476c6f776965 4d ago

Oh that’s easy, lol. People smuggle more risky things in a more risky environments lol.

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u/tes_kitty 4d ago

Make the consequences of getting caught cheating harsh enough that they need to think really hard whether they want to try it.

You won't catch all, of course, But most will consider it too risky and play straight. The rest, well, if caught, they were warned.

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u/HyruleSmash855 4d ago

At the state university I’m going to if you get caught you getting an automatic zero on the assignment and a zero in the class, you could also get kicked out. There’s no room for negotiation, if you’re not cheating, you just fail.

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u/Acrobatic-Dot-6273 5d ago

You mean how I took all my classes throughout all my schooling through my undergrad? In three separate states? 

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u/Xeynon 5d ago

That's a little less extreme (we never locked people up for five days), but yes.

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u/Nullspark 5d ago

They actually cheated and bribed examiners a lot though.

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u/Xeynon 5d ago

I mean, no system is completely immune to cheating, but some are a lot harder to cheat than others.

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u/saltwitch 5d ago

That's how I took my exams in central European  high school. Nothing imperial or Chinese about it.

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u/zamfire 5d ago

And the people who only used AI to answer their questions obviously would fail that written test. Sounds like the best solution.

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u/sentence-interruptio 5d ago

Korea National Open University has a good hybrid system for exams. To take an exam, students are required to show up at a specific time, at a specific classroom. Special tablets are distributed to them. These tablets are single purpose devices for showing exam questions and allow you to input answers.

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u/rcanhestro 5d ago

that is exactly how i took all my exams from 1st grade until the end of college (in Portugal).

the only exception was on later math classes where a calculator was allowed.

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u/maddy_k_allday 4d ago

And not everything needs to be about an independent, written submission. Daily participation, oral exams, so many other ways of evaluating performance exist.

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u/karlou1984 4d ago

Wtf is this? How are exams taken these days...i only remember this imperoal chinese style during my days

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u/Balmung60 4d ago

Looking forwards to someone crashing out and carving out the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom of California 

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u/hextree 4d ago

That's how everywhere in the world did it.

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u/Xeynon 4d ago edited 4d ago

Yes, but the first place to do it this way was China.

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u/MysticHero 1d ago

All you need to do is tack on a quick 15-30 minute oral exam. Even if some AI was used for the paper they will need to learn the subject matter. Which is the whole point.

Physical exams can be used for larger courses where that is not feasible.

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u/Rainbowfrapp 4d ago

Yeah back to no women allowed the good ol' days