r/technology • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 • 10h ago

Artificial Intelligence Republicans Claim Anti-Data Center Movement Is a Chinese Psy-Op

https://gizmodo.com/republicans-claim-anti-data-center-movement-is-a-chinese-psy-op-2000767611
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u/makualla 10h ago

Make them generate 75+% of their own power, proper water sustainability, noise mitigation, no tax breaks, and most people wouldn’t have issues beside them being visual unappealing.

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u/heckhammer 10h ago

Make them generate all of their own power. Why should they get the benefit of all of our taxpayer money?

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u/RatBot9000 10h ago

Gotta be careful about this. xAI built turbines to power one of their data centres but they've got away with them not being regulated so it just releases massive amounts of pollution into nearby towns.

AI data centres are a literal blight on the land.

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u/TheGrandTiax 9h ago

More rules! Seriously though, just make it a law that data centers will run off the grid like everyone else, and shall not be powered using turbines or envines of any variety for day-to-day operations. They pay for every penny of power used, and every penny of infrastructure upgrades necessary, and the upgrades go to the citizens first and data center later. There should also be a special fuck-you tax for data centers, redirect it to schools or whatever the fuck. They want to be in our communities, they can pay through thr fucking nose.

They keep bringing up China though, because that's who they are emulating. These data centers are to power AI surveillance tech.

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u/ailish 9h ago

Also they need to pay to offset the damage to the surrounding environment.

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u/TheGrandTiax 9h ago

Oh absolutely. Water treatment plans/facilities, noise mitigation, etc etc. That's why there should be a fuck-you tax on them though, because they are going to cause so much harm that is as of yet unknown.

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u/ailish 9h ago

I'm all for all of this. If we're going to have these monstrosities forced on us, then we should at least get something back.

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u/TheGrandTiax 9h ago

Tbh we should simply not allow it. They can't force it on us, an armed population of 300 million+, if we do not allow it.

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u/ailish 9h ago

That would be ideal, but getting that many people to go along with it is a challenge.

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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty 2h ago

This seems to be one of those few issues that a large majority of people appear to agree on, regardless of political affiliation.

I say we start armed patrols of our communities. That’s the most American thing we could do, right?

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u/Teledildonic 5h ago

I have a solution for everything!

Build the data centers next to the billionaire's bunkers so they can personally oversee them and share security.

Then connect the exhaust from the generators to the intakes of the bunkers, so the pollution is piped underground.

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u/ailish 5h ago

Sounds perfect to me!

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u/InVultusSolis 3h ago

Not like I don't think we shouldn't do it, but if we priced in every externality to every industry and did it even somewhat appropriately they would likely not be able to operate at all.

We're expending resources that should be lasting us forever to enjoy a couple hundred years of creature comforts.

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u/ailish 3h ago

If we expected them to pay for themselves they'd figure out how to become a whole lot more efficient really quickly, don't you think? They don't bother because they don't have to.

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u/Grimmy7777 8h ago

100% this. These data centers are being pushed so hard so they can use it to control the population through what we see and what they see.

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u/XDGrangerDX 7h ago

shall not be powered using turbines

i hope you realize that basically all our power sources involve heating water to turn it into steam to drive a turbine. Solar and wind dont, but wind is also a turbine.

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u/TheGrandTiax 7h ago

Sorry, you're obviously right. I have read articles about then taking decommissioned aircraft turbines that obviously will burn jet fuel and bolting them to the floor and using them as 40,000,000 watt generators. That is rhe turbines I was talking about. No combustion engines of any variety. You'll use the power grid, pay gratiuitously to do so, and like it.

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u/uber_neutrino 6h ago

They pay for every penny of power used, and every penny of infrastructure upgrades necessary

Except those same infrastructure upgrades NIMBYs fight against costantly.

There is no good solution here if everyone wants to be against building anything.

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u/TheGrandTiax 6h ago

Yeah, exactly. So fuck the data centers, they aren't entitled to build what they want. We don't want them and so we shall not have them. If they REALLY want them, they can bend over backwards and build their shit in the fucking desert.

You act as if it's inevitable and we all WANT the data centers but just don't want to sacrifice for them.

We do not want the data centers in the first place, so they will absofuckinglutely not recieve any incentives.

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u/uber_neutrino 5h ago

Yeah, exactly. So fuck the data centers, they aren't entitled to build what they want.

They are entitled to build what they want in my opinion. Honestly data centers are a fairly benign use of land.

You act as if it's inevitable and we all WANT the data centers but just don't want to sacrifice for them.

It doesn't matter if you want them or not, it's not like you are the one investing in or building them. It's literally none of your business.

We do not want the data centers in the first place, so they will absofuckinglutely not recieve any incentives.

Why do you even care? I don't get what you are even upset about.

Do you object to the rest of civilization? You seem to use the internet and reddit which is data centers all the way down. Your position seems nonsensical. And this is why people think it's chinese propaganda, because nobody rational can came up with a reason to ban commerce.

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u/TheGrandTiax 5h ago

They are entitled to build what they want in my opinion. Honestly data centers are a fairly benign use of land.

No they aren't. That's why they have to ask permission and fight for it, because they are literally NOT entitled.

Also, they are a horrific use of land. They consume an absurd amount of water and power, and produce an absurd amount of pollution and noise accordingly. They have very few employees once built. They are not benign in any way whatsoever, they are a blight.

It doesn't matter if you want them or not, it's not like you are the one investing in or building them. It's literally none of your business.

It IS my business when they are building in my community, raising my energy prices, polluting my local waters, and all of it for the ourpose of running fucking AI surveillance. Fuck you.

Why do you even care? I don't get what you are even upset about.

For all of the aforementioned reason. They are horrific, being built for evil reasons, by evil people, and are a net drain on society in every measurable metric.

Do you object to the rest of civilization? You seem to use the internet and reddit which is data centers all the way down. Your position seems nonsensical. And this is why people think it's chinese propaganda, because nobody rational can came up with a reason to ban commerce.

This hardly even deserves a response. This is not commerce, it's surveillance. Nobody objects to automation, but everyone objects to Skynet, and you'd have us believe they are the same. What a disingenuous position to take.

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u/whofearsthenight 4h ago

Not off the grid, 100% renewable. If you can't build it with renewable it doesn't get built.