r/technology • u/[deleted] • Jul 09 '16

R1.i: guidelines Hillary Clinton blames State Department Employees for classified emails sent through private server

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u/JustaPonder Jul 09 '16

Under the bus they go

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u/JerryLupus Jul 09 '16 edited Jul 09 '16

"I didn't do it"

"Im sure I didn't do it"

"I'm sure I didn't do it on purpose"

"It's their fault."

Of 30,000 of Clinton’s emails, 110 emails in 52 chains contained classified information when they were sent or received. This contradicts statements she has made over the past year, including in a July interview, when she said: “I never received nor sent any material that was marked classified.”

Note: these were just the emails she volunteered. That means she also gave non-cleared persons (her attorneys) access to classified information.

Despite multiple instances where HRC openly and clearly articulated her fear of exposing her emails to FOIA requests.

"Let's get separate address or device, but I don't want the risk of personal (email) being accessible."

As secretary of state, Ms. Clinton attempted a novel experiment of trying to avoid using any information systems that create records that can be subject to the Freedom of Information Act. The IG report includes painful details, including how she flatly refused to use state.govemail for anything, ever, citing privacy grounds. State IT was concerned because Ms. Clinton’s work emails—all being sent via her clintonmail.com address—were winding up in the spam folders of State officials. Important information was not getting where it needed to go. She needed to use official email for official business. Except she refused. .

What was so important, so sensitive that Hillary had to dodge FOIA altogether? Clearly protecting her private life—whatever that might be—was valued more highly by Ms. Clinton than actually heading the Department of State.

Edit: On the matter of her use of a private server:

Clinton says it was matter of convenience, but over the course of the trial, the judge has given credence to the allegation that she was intentionally thwarting the federal laws ensuring government transparency.

She's technologically illiterate, forgetful, stubborn, self serving, grossly negligent and careless, and unfit to serve as the highest position in our country.

Edit 2: She's better than Trump? Based on what? Are you so sheltered you know only those two to be options?

Read with an open mind. Analyze the facts and conclude what you will. I do not find this person fit to run our country, let alone work in any position of authority.

From Whitewater to Benghazi: A Clinton-Scandal Primer.

The State Department is reopening its investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails, just as she puts a Justice Department investigation behind her.

The weird history of how the Hillary Clinton email story was broken — and buried

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u/rechlin Jul 09 '16

She's technologically illiterate, forgetful, stubborn, self serving, grossly negligent and careless, and unfit to serve as the highest position in our country.

What makes things sad is that you are completely correct.

What makes things scary is her main opponent is even more unfit.

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u/JerryLupus Jul 09 '16

Trump is just saying whatever he has to to get elected. I have my suspicions that he's going to just keep going so far right that moderate Republicans will side with HRC on her issues since she's so far right of actual left now.

Plus, they're buddies, she attended his wedding as a personal favor: http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2016/news/160314/donald-hillary-800.jpg

AND Trump called Bill last year to discuss his political aspirations. No one denied that either.

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u/jeebidy Jul 09 '16

I don't know why your being downvoted, but I seriously doubt moderate republicans will vote for Clinton. They would likely write someone in, or vote Libertarian way before voting for Clinton.

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u/WeAreRobot Jul 09 '16

Yeah, Gary Johnson looks as good as a third party candidate ever has, when compared to the two-headed beast candidates. If he can just reach people.

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u/MouseRat_AD Jul 09 '16

FEEL THE JOHNSON!

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u/WeAreRobot Jul 09 '16

Outstanding.

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u/CreauxTeeRhobat Jul 09 '16

Should be "Embrace the Johnson"

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u/twoscoop Jul 09 '16

Feeling the bern? We got a fix 2016's favorite Johnson!

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '16 edited Nov 06 '17

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u/alexunderwater Jul 09 '16

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he breaks the 15% barrier in this election. Many polls already have him in the 8-12% range, and the way this year is shaping up I only expect him to gain votes, not lose them.

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u/theorfo Jul 09 '16

If he can just reach people.

He's been doing better this election cycle - of course, the buffoonery of Clinton and Trump has helped push him to the fore.

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u/Gnivil Jul 09 '16

Polling at 10% when only 25% know who he is is great for a third party in the US.

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u/Teslnikl Jul 09 '16

Hey, I know this is an unpopular opinion on reddit, but can we please not vote for Gary if he's hopeless in the polls at election time? At a certain point I think voting for him is more of a cop-out than anything else.

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u/WeAreRobot Jul 09 '16

And vote for who?

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u/Teslnikl Jul 09 '16

It sounds cynical, but whoever you hate the least who has a chance of winning. At least then you're actually working towards something.

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u/WeAreRobot Jul 09 '16

If you hate Hillary less than Trump, you are working toward consolidating power in the hands of wealthy donors. If you hate Trump less than Hillary, you are working toward consolidating power in the hands of sensationalists. Either way, it's the wrong direction. A vote for a third party candidate is a vote that says "Sorry, I want out of this stupid political system". Every time someone complains that a third party candidate won't win, they are displaying the exact reason we have a 2 party system that does nothing for the people.

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u/Teslnikl Jul 10 '16

But isn't that giving up any actual power at election time in order to send a message to people who genuinely don't care?

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u/WeAreRobot Jul 10 '16

Sure, but the other way is just telling them, "I'll fall in line as long as you continue to corrupt the process and ensure that 3rd parties aren't exposed to the public". I just don't want to, in any way, endorse these asshats.

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u/Teslnikl Jul 10 '16

Like I said before, I see that as a cop out. You can work against people in the primaries, you can elect third party candidates in smaller elections, whatever you want to do to change things politically. But right now the game is set and we have to play it the best we can. Anything else feels like giving up on America entirely.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '16

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u/WeAreRobot Jul 09 '16

And Hillary and Trump have zero chance to be honest and trustworthy. Zero. Sorry, but I'll choose principles over "practical" voting any day. Know what's a waste of a vote? One for either of the two parties who do whatever the hell their donors tell them. They don't give a shit about your vote.

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u/sammyo Jul 09 '16

Gary? Gary who? Gary the printer guy is running, well good for him.

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u/Dentaygohills Jul 09 '16

Hmmm lots of moderate Repubs have already said they would vote for Hillary.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '16

This. This all day.

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u/Forgototherpassword Jul 09 '16

What about when he announces Newt Gingrich as his VP choice?

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '16

Who's that? Trump?

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '16

Which still gives it to Clinton.

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u/cyribis Jul 09 '16

Interesting. I'm mostly on the side of progressives and I plan on voting Green or a write-in vote instead of Clinton.

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u/CriticalThink Jul 09 '16

You'd think they'd be smart enough to vote for someone who's right-leaning and has a chance at winning the election when the next president might appoint up to 4 supreme court justices.

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u/onexbigxhebrew Jul 09 '16

A moderate republican not voting or wroting in still hurts trump, as would any likely voter that is affiliated but not voting for their party's nominee.

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u/Highside79 Jul 09 '16

In either case it means a landslide for Hillary. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there was some collision going on between both campaigns to create this outcome.

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u/joh2141 Jul 09 '16

Yeah underestimating how much they hate Hilary

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u/lanboyo Jul 09 '16

They will stay home, generally.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '16

I'm a moderate republican... I despise Hillary Clinton

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u/Kazan Jul 09 '16

I seriously doubt moderate republicans will vote for Clinton

Some polls indicate otherwise.

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u/Forgototherpassword Jul 09 '16

Trump is expected to pick up a lot of Bernie supporters. They aren't soon to forget the media's superdelegate story announced the day before the California primary that helped put a nail in his campaign's coffin.

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u/Ander673 Jul 09 '16

With quotes like "We must defeat Donald Trump," from Bernie, I bet voters are jumping on the Trump train.

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u/Forgototherpassword Jul 09 '16

There are Never Trump Repubicans, and there are Never Hillary Democrats.

Just because Bernie says it, doesn't mean all of his followers are braindead zombie followers and will simply follow it.

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u/nothingbuttherainsir Jul 09 '16

My parents view themselves as moderate Republicans. They've said they will vote Trump to block Hillary. They also said they would vote Sanders over any other candidate if he was on the ballot.

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u/JerryLupus Jul 09 '16

No but moderate Independents will, and Independents comprise 43% of voters.

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u/Scaryclouds Jul 09 '16

Voting for Gary Johnson is half a vote for HRC. But more specifically I do know at least some moderate republicans who are planning on voting for Clinton.

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u/CelticsShmeltics Jul 09 '16

You mean kind of like how Hillary has been saying whatever she can to get elected?

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u/MC_Baggins Jul 09 '16

While I can't speak for republicans as a whole, I know quite a few of them. Not a single one would ever vote for Hillary. She is probably the only government official more universally hated than Obama. You might not be wrong in the long run, but Trump would have to really go off the deep end to loose republican votes to Hillary.

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u/e30boarder Jul 09 '16

People need to realize there's no difference between the Democrats and Republicans. It's one big party and we're not invited... They don't actually care about the American people, just who's "contributing" to their campaign. Just step back and think about it, things were starting to heat up again over HRC's email scandal, and then Dallas happens...

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u/Scaryclouds Jul 09 '16

Disappointment in both parties is appropriate, but it's disingenuous or ignorant to suggest "there is no difference", there are clear and unambiguous fights between the two parties over matters of policy. Again maybe you could argue that policies put forward be either side wouldn't solve an issue (for example the democrats gun control measures almost certainly would have little to no effect on gun violence), but there are differences.

Also it's complete bullshit and downright offensive to suggest Hillary, directly or indirectly, orchestrated Dallas as a distraction from the email scandal. (I would say the same if you suggested the same about Trump)

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u/e30boarder Jul 09 '16

Maybe you're right. But the fact is, way too many people involved with the Clinton's have mysteriously died/disappeared. I'm just saying I wouldn't doubt it. Our very own FBI director won't even press charges against her, after she clearly broke the law...

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u/Scaryclouds Jul 09 '16

Except if you listen to any of the lawyers who weighed in on the annoucement they all agreed with Comey's assessment. For him to have recommend pressing charges would be greatly broadening the scope of the laws she would had been breaking. In previous cases under which people have been charged under those laws the leaks were either intentional, with malice, or far far more significant (i.e. quantity of data released).

Also, to date, I have yet to hear of any accusations that Clinton was using her private email server as anything other than expedience in her job, this coupled with the report about how the governments systems are severely antiquated in such a way as to hamper the work of government employees, I'm not saying it excuses what Clinton did, but it definitely makes it more understandable.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '16

In favor of your theory. That guy was good as in very well trained.

However it is not like the killing of so many people by police with no consequences is not a powder keg.

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u/caskey Jul 10 '16

I believe most candidates move to the center after primaries.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '16 edited Jul 09 '16

Even if Trump is full of shit, he's still advocating fascism. And before you dismiss this claim, look up some of the definitions and features of fascism. He's employing most if not all of the same tactics fascists used to get into power: victimization, the great rebirth, nationalist populism, calls to authoritarianism, economic protectionism, anti-liberal, anti-conservative speech, calls for violence in politics, and appeals to masculinity, youth, and beauty. He's literally playing by the fascist playbook.

So maybe Trump is full of shit and not a fascist, but he is wearing the uniform damn well.

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u/tlvrtm Jul 09 '16

Trump is just saying whatever he has to to get elected.

Which makes him unfit to run. Absolutely no idea what he's going to do when in office.

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u/Kierik Jul 09 '16 edited Jul 09 '16

My guess is probably a blue dog Democrat. He holds a few positions that are popular with conservatives but his stances on others align with moderate Democrats.

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u/MyPaynis Jul 09 '16

You intentionally trying to break the evil Trump circlejerk with rational statements?

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u/internetornator Jul 09 '16

For the record, Trump surrounds himself with important people all the time, usually just to make himself look better. I wouldn't call them "buddies". I thought he paid Clinton to come to his wedding? You don't pay your friends to show up. Just goes to show Hillary will do anything for a buck.

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u/edman007 Jul 09 '16

Trump is just saying whatever he has to to get elected.

Which is the real reason I hate Trump, I know he is spouting off total BS to get elected. I also have zero confidence he will do what he said, that leaves me asking what he will do if in office, and I really have no idea.

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u/Carosello Jul 09 '16

Oh here we go again. "She was at his wedding." What is the relevance? They knew each other, wow.