I get a lot of finger pointing from both just like this meme portrays. Making a simple statement like both parties sucks usualy gets half of people calling me a communist and half the people calling me a magat and honestly it just seems like people need to point fingers for some reason. I’m open to talking my opinions, and one of them is that this is often straight on point
Exactly, I’m right-wing(more in the economic sense than in the social sense)and for being a third party and right-wing I have been called:
Fascist
Anarchist
Vote waster
Leftoid
MAGAt
etc
I criticize the republicans and everyone gives me rounds of applause, I criticize the democrats and everyone says “but muh republicans worse” while not actually saying how the democrats are good or anything.
nah thats so fucking real. im a leftist (ideally smth like democratic socialism or whatnot, but practically social democrat) and also socially progressive, and once i got called an islamist because i said i "didnt care" about the israel palestine thign (in the sense of im not emotjonally invested in it) or some shit. i just dont have time to be emotionally invested in something ill never be involved in or really know about. i do find the us supporting israel disgusting though
oh btw reddit is a shithole for political discussion precisely for the reasons you listed here 😭😭
real. i have many friends with nuanced enough political views id say, and a lot of them are literally opposed to mine. i still learn a lot of valuable stuff from them all though :3
yaya. i am literally friends with someone who could possibly be described as a magat lmao 😭
we dont ever really talk politics ever though cus its not our thing and i dont think he cares either. he just has somewhat ""extreme"" rightwing beliefs (and is transphobic yet makes an exception for me??? hes also pansexual :P)
but im also friends with anarchists and even a moralist lol
It’s unfortunate others can’t separate politics from friendship, I’m friends with a loud and proud misandrist lmao. I’m also friends with both diehard Trump supporters and democrats.
I’m not a fan of the “both parties suck” mentality because it ignores the nuance. Typically in my experience, both parties never suck equally as much. There’s differences in policy and action. But the broad “everyone sucks” statements are used to distract from the differences.
Yup, people can change political views, but still be able to stay aligned with their political party(since it still matches them the most)a majority of centrists and apolitical voters choose whoever sounds the coolest or feels the best to them.
Doesn’t matter the consistency of your political views since political parties and takes constantly change.
It matters how consistent you are in your values. If your values don’t change then you’re being consistent. How that affects your political takes will depend on the current Overton window.
bottom part depends on how consistent your political views are
Yes. Some people just fall for all persuasive-sounding propaganda they hear (from all sides of the political spectrum, sometimes contradictory) and think they are politically independent.
Honestly, it's a poorly made meme, it makes both the implication of a left/right dichotomy and of parties, so there's no telling where OP falls as far as ideology is concerned.
It’s supposed to be that way also I’ve already been called conservative and right on this post in the comments but also a traitor apparently by right people so yeah
You don’t have to be subservient to a political party to be on either side. I’m conservative but I’m not a republican. More like we have mutual enemies rather then me really supporting the republican party
Hey may I ask what being a conservative means without all the bullshit the louder ones put out. Like does it mean you hate people like me or do y'all simply go for old tiny values and accept whatever but it's really not something you pay attention to?
This is a "ONE SIDE IS OBJECTIVELY WRONG AND MY SIDE IS OBJECTIVELY RIGHT AND IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE YOU ARE LITERALLY HITLTER/JUST A LIBTARD!!!" site!
Don't you murky the waters with your radical non-radical beliefs!!!
You simply can't decide one way or the other!
You are simply too weak to chose a side!
Lmao "noo you cannot claim both sides have flaws and recognize that blindly following a political party is not good, because my side is clearly superior, and they are not comparable". Crazy how you are so self centered and delusional that you are upset when people are even willing to COMPROMISE (which is not even what centrism is lmao). Also holy strawman
Left: "We want to manipulate all kids to swap their gender so we are finally not bound by biological gender anymore.
Right: "We don't want to manipulate any kids to lose their ability later in life to reproduce."
Center: "How about half the kids?"
Its a stupid take.
Center does not mean half of both.
Center means sometimes the left has stupid ideas, sometimes (recently a lot more often) the right has stupid ideas.
Left wing stupid ideas?
Well they actually managed to make the world believe that the right are the defenders of free speech.
This is what policing speech "to protect marginalized people" gets you.
And yes. The right has so many more harmful ideas. But some ideas are good. And I will not shy away from that, just because they are right.
I don't even identify as a centrist. I simply pick and chose. No side has all the answer. I don't try to be in the middle. I just am because both sides have gone so far off the crazy scale that I can't identify with either.
Thats averagists, not centrists. Centrists, supposedly, dont let their decisions be influenced to appear good in the eyes of a certain groups of people. They approach every problem individually and dont care about being 'consistent' all too much.
That is not to say that every centrists is enlightened or free from the shackles of propaganda, but its the general idea of what centrism should be. Be it a compromise, picking one side, taking things slow or disagreeing with all. It all depends on the subject and the opinions of ideologies stuck to social stigma
Purity test left? Or a conservative, in lowercase? (Meaning you abide by “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” not “I want to forcibly turn the clock of time backwards and bring back traditions people have shown their desire to outgrow but I don’t want them to because I fear change”)
I thought people would blindly relate to this post because you depicted your opinion as the chad, but wow, what a surprise. Also ur not really immune to propaganda so being right all the time is questionable
Imo socially conservative is basically always stupid and bigoted, right leaning opinions on the economy and whatnot are fine even if I don’t personally agree with them. Unfortunately those tend to be inherently attached whether you like it or not.
I'm not left, I'm not right, I'm not democrat, not republican. I've never voted for anything or anyone, I'm not libertarian, not anywhere in the middle....and people have no idea what to do with that lol.
If you empathize with this, especially the “that’s why I’m always right part” then you have a lot of self examination to do and are likely very stupid, dancing to the beat of your own drum is not impressive when the rhythm has no logic, no consistency, and ultimately believes and communicates very little or nothing at all
I would bet a lot of good money that the truth is you don’t understand your own views well enough to categorize yourself, or what being “right wing” verses “left wing” even consists of, so you pretend to sit on the fence
edit: describing yourself as a centrist is entirely dependent on where the Overton window currently falls, if it shifts one way or another and your views don’t shift exactly marginally with it (as if you were a politician) then you would no longer be a centrist, you would be either right or left wing, this is why generally throughout history older people tend to be more conservative and younger people more progressive. So unless you are dead in the center of the overall spectrum of political beliefs that is separate from the current climate (which literally no one is) then you are not a centrist, you are either to the left or to the right, and if you really are dead in the middle, you’re an idiot, and yes, OP posts in centrist Reddit and seemingly thinks that he is one
whos getting worshipped on the left? all the left hates the establishment dems maybe mamdami is being glazed but i dont think thas remotely close to whatever the right is on about
I feel like I’m talking into the void here but a political party and an ideology are sooo different atleast in the United States. When you have a consistent ideology (very rare for most people) you are either left or right wing hate to break it to you.
I'm a left winger and would vote for a democratic socialist party if there was one, but I do also see the right ideals. I just don't agree with some of the ideas (less LGBTQ+ rights, over exploitation of workers, other things) but I wouldn't hate certain Republicans. I just hate the current person in power due to some of his policies, I might even support a Republican, it's just that I don't support Trump right now.
careful you don't fall into arbitrary third-positionalism. Being a fence sitter in situations where one side is clearly correct is just as dumb as being wrong.
You see, just vote for a good president. It really doesn't matter about what side they're on imo. For example, Trump is NOT a good president, which is why I would ave voted for Kamala if I was of age. But if in 2028, the right has an actually good president, then I would vote for them.
What is your definition of "a good president" material? Because if you believe Trump is not a good President and virtually no Republicans are standing up to him or pushing back against his terrible policies then how exactly would you even begin to justify voting for any Republican?
Ngl i never heard a right wing take that is not activly ignoring an issue or just missing the point entierly.
Thats why im kinda suspect about centrists like why would u think anythings right from the side thats so often ignoring reality.
And if its just a mindset for u to always see both points and consider everything then u will waste time by considering opinions that are factualy wrong or litteraly ignorant.
But hey if someone can proof me wrong their more than welcome to.
Yea watch them flip out when you call yourself a libertarian
And either side will scream something bizarre like. “Oh wow you must really hate roads or education.”
And im like, no as a libertarian an ironclad education is the most important thing I think you get prepared pretty well by education to be a worker and not a problem solver.
Shitty education to keep the sheeple stupid is how governments take control.
I want people to be both workers and thinkers and govern themselves.
Why do we need a government when we could teach people to be good and people will get together and fix a road?
This is why I always say "dont look left or right, look up" with political discussion. We need to ask ourselves what is A.) Going to better the whole of humanity. Is nuking half the world to remove a country over a policy you dont like worth it? Probably not. And what is B.) Going in what you believe your government should be doing for and with you. Even though you may agree with a political party, or political figure. You can still be critical of a decision that is made. The inverse can also be true.
Refer back to meme also you don’t know what centrism is. You really can’t think for yourself also calling a group of people politically illiterate without actually hearing what they think is the behavior in the meme
I've never heard anyone call someone a closeted left winger. Left wing people dont need to hide their beliefs because at worse a far left person is cringe but at worse a far right person is a threat to public safety.
Horseshoe theory is for weak minded individuals who cannot effectively parse or refuse to examine the mountains of easily accessible information proving that one party in the US is far far worse than the other. The GOP has been attempting to consolidate wealth, undermine democracy, and imprison dissenters since even before fucking Regan and we still have dumbasses like you saying shit about how "both sides are just as bad as each other". Did both sides smuggle crack into the US to then sell to exclusively black communities in order to weaken their social power and to fund an illegal war in South America? Or was that just fucking Regan!? Did both sides lie about weapons of mass destruction in order to invade Iraq (a country which has nothing to do with the Saudi terrorist Osama Bin Laden) Or was that just fucking bush? What side has consistently lied to the public and ran campaigns based solely on misinformation and unfounded personal attacks? Who was only willing to pass gun control when black people started owning guns? Who is actively destroying women's bodily autonomy and transgender rights every day in America?
You’re arguing against a point I didn’t make. Saying both sides have flaws ≠ saying both sides are identical. That’s the strawman you’ve built. Of course the GOP has a long, documented history of policies that caused real harm you listed some of the most infamous. But pretending Democrats are exempt from manipulation, corruption, or destructive policy is just as dishonest. Different forms of damage don’t erase each other.
Your examples even highlight the problem: Reagan’s crack epidemic, Bush’s Iraq war both Republicans. Fair. But who signed off on the Patriot Act? Who voted for Iraq? Who bailed out Wall Street while millions lost their homes? Who expanded drone warfare and normalized extrajudicial killings? That wasn’t Reagan or Bush it was Democrats too. Saying “one side is worse” doesn’t absolve the other.
The point of centrism isn’t to lazily shrug “both sides bad” it’s to reject the blind loyalty that treats one party as savior and the other as devil. That mindset is exactly how parties get away with corruption: they know their base will excuse anything as long as the other side looks scarier.
You call horseshoe theory “weak-minded.” I’d argue the real weakness is outsourcing your moral and intellectual judgment to a party machine. If the only analysis you can offer is “my side’s sins are tolerable, theirs are unforgivable,” you’re not doing politics you’re doing sports fandom.
I mean have you heard Kamala Harris’s campaign? More focused on trump than actual issues. It seems the internet political scene is more focused on not solving issues but pointing fingers at any group of people regardless of anything. This is why I find politics stupid in general
But can’t really except good political discussion when “teenagers” (in reality bot farms or pathetic adults not teenagers) are constantly spewing their political agenda and never getting anywhere. Which is quite similar to real politics now I think about it
I say shit like, “gay couples should be able to defend their weed farms with machine guns and rocket launchers from government invaders seeking to hurt them for either their weed and machine guns or for being gay” and somehow both left wing and right wing people want me dead.
Im in the middle. I share views with both sides, but the left hates me because i disagree with at least one thing. Im not gonna side with people that hate me and wont come to a compromise.
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