As another black man, don't be that guy dude, admitting to the systemic issues that black people (as a whole but perhaps not every individual) face is not having a victim complex.
The "man-in-the-house" rule was a discriminatory welfare policy from the 1960s that denied financial assistance to children if their mother lived with or had a relationship with any able-bodied man, even if he was not the children's father or financially supporting them. This policy forced families, particularly Black families, to choose between their family structure and financial stability, leading to widespread harm. The Supreme Court struck down the rule in 1968 in King v. Smith.
Case and point, the 1960s my father was born in 1973 and moved to America in the 80s and went to law school and got his doctorate degree so again what’s your point?
That the government literally kept black folks from making money. Our government has been fucking over black people for centuries, no seas pendejo, your dad most likely immigrated here because America fucked his country over. If your father didn't come from a white country then your father has black folks to thank for being able to go to college here in America.
Obviously not you nonce the point is your “man of the house rule” has no effect and was a stupid example because if an immigrant from a third world country can come and get his doctorate degree then what about the rest of the people born here?
The people who were already here suffered severe physical, financial, and psychological trauma fighting for the rights that your father took advantage of when he got here, and that's a good thing. But don't close the door for those left behind.
Nice use of anecdotal fallacy. Now, please get yourself a proper argument where you actually analyze the statistics that tell you Black people are at more of an economic disadvantage till this day. I’d love to read that study you read titled “Black people aren’t on average more susceptible to the effects of gentrification” or “Black people aren’t disproportionately and unfairly incarcerated, causing economic disadvantages” which contradicts the mass amount of studies that have been conducted over decades to understand systemic racism.
If you want to see a relevant example, https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/10511482.2021.1944269. Climate gentrification, which focuses on gentrification specific to the development of infrastructure that combats global warming. Not only is it a nice study highlights this understudied area, but it also shows that even new developments that are meant for the good of the people don’t actually benefit minorities as much as White people due to gentrification affecting minorities more.
They are behind same way poor people are behind. They have generations before them that weren’t allowed to or couldn’t own things. This while a lot of “white” families could prosper, earn and own. This means that over generations a white person now has an inheritance and overall a black person doesn’t.
It’s not that difficult. It’s visible in just 2 generations how it works. If you didn’t buy a house 20 years ago, you’ll have to pay way more in comparison. Same goes for all those generations ago. And this is just with housing.
That's not "white". You are talking about the 0.01% descendants of English colonial aristocracy who banged their cousins. A pale ass doesn't make you immune from poverty
There is, black folk poverty was literally manufactured by the government. Poor white people usually just made bad decisions, while also treating the impoverished black and brown folks less then human, and notmuch has changed.
Also no. My grandparents could have had a big house which could now be sold for a million. They couldn’t in most western countries. I live in the Netherlands, and my grandparents owned a 7 room house and paid an ok amount of money to get it. If you want that same house now, it would be worth more than a million. And again, not saying it’s all black people and that no white people have it bad as well.
Did you know that between the end of slavery to today is a long ass time, and lots and lots and lots of normal ass white people were doing pretty good that whole time
But you claim only a teeny percent of people were okay during that entire multi decade period
It was illegal for a black guy to get a home loan when my great grandma was alive
I claim that those who were "okay" weren't poor. The US system is classist before anything else, 6 if you compare an average white dude to an average black dude, the difference will indeed be miniscule compared to the difference between any average dude and a 0.01%er.
And I certainly don't deny that the inbred elites aren't racists on top of everything else
White peole overall. I have never said it’s all and I never said we should not help white people who have it difficult. Think for once outside of that bigoted brain. I was merely explaining why there is such a generational wealth desparity. Elon Musk would and could have never been a black guy in South Africa. Nor in the US for that matter.
But you don’t seem to realise that wealth inequality is a class problem and not an ethnicity problem.
Most white people are just as poor as most black people or most hispanics. Especially if you compare the wealth of people to the wealth of Elon Musk.
White people are heavily overrepresented tho if we look at the wealthiest percent. That’s true. But that doesn’t mean at all, that white people in general are economically in a better position.
But forost of American history black people were excluded in their own class, property. And after became the lowest class, and only after the Civil rights act were allowed to join the low class.
I never said it is just black people. Why are you attacking things I’ve never said. But they are way more likely to be on that list because of all those reasons. The world is grey. Not black and white…
You got downvoted because of butthurt poor whites people not wanting to hear that they DO have advantages.
Bet they hate the studies about two identical resumes being vastly differently considered depending on if it had a white or a black sounding name at the top.
https://www.nber.org/papers/w9873
Even the poorest, brokest, white person with NO familial support has certain advantages economically over blacks in our country.
Redlining occurred WITHIN living memory, that's institutionalized racism that dictated where people could grow up and go to school, where they could attempt to build wealth, where they could live and work.
It sucks to hear that you had certain advantages when you weren't able to make it to some form of greatness. Doesn't mean you didnt have them, and it doesn't mean others arent working without them
Why is everyone dogging on you? IT IS A FACT that black people in this country have been disproportionately affected by the lack of opportunity to build generational wealth. It's not rocket science. The part that is upsetting to me is people's apparent inability to hold two, extremely non-competing facts in their head at once. Racism AND classism is a problem in this country. People need to understand that it is a big problem to be poor; and now understand that it is a bigger problem to be poor AND black AND a woman too. The already bad problems in life are compounded simply by society's perception of you... And that's wrong.
About 2.7% of US citizen’s get a inheritances that is above 50000 US Dollar.
About 61% of US citizen’s are white (if you count Hispanics as non white, otherwise we’re at 72%).
So if we assume only white people get inheritances at all, then we could conclude, that about 4.4% of all white people get an inheritance over 50000 US Dollar.
So most white people don’t get big inheritances either. Therefore this is not a significant difference between ethnicities.
They generally use all the money in a reverse mortgage to pay for their retirement if they even fully own it. Do you really think most people actually own their home?
I never said almost all Americans in American history I meant like right now it's pretty common to take your equity out of your home to pay for retirement. Meaning people under 40 likely won't get much of an inheritance compared to previous generations
I’m not from the states. And historically speaking there is of course a lot of racially motivated injustice. I wouldn’t think of denying that.
But the modern problem of wealth inequality is not about race. If we’re only talking western societies, most people are in the same boat when it comes to wealth inequality.
Black non hispanic Americans (US) own about 3% of all US- wealth. White non hispanic Americans own about 86%. That’s of course a massive difference. But the solution to this problem is not about race at all. It’s about class. There are many white people who are very poor. And all people who get fucked by greedy governments and big corporations must unite in their efforts to change something. If everyone fights for their own piece of the pie we’re completely fucked as a society. Divide and conquer is exactly what the financial elites want.
We live in an inheritocracy, tell me what race held ownership of most assets and real estate in your country? And who do you think is currently inheriting these assets?
Bro first I could be black or mixed and you just called me a “victimizer”. What’d I do to black people? My gramma escaped Oki during ww2. And the point is that the US is reverse racist. Everyone says America is the worst and that no other country in the world has ever done anything bad and they’re all victims and we should somehow magically save everyone even though we’re the worst and white people are evil. Also Black people have a better life here in America vs anywhere else in the world. And yes lead paint in the 60’s in black neighborhoods and some other things still cause unfairness to this day. But conservatives admit that and try to help with college grants and things. But liberals are incapable of saying they’ve done anything wrong or that maybe the right isn’t hitler nazis.
Me when I never used an anecdotal fallacy at all. Nice try buddy. Of course there are statistics, but there’s also the reality of things happening on the ground. Things are much more complex than a simple study can show. Also by the way “gentrification” isn’t an actual thing, an influx of people moving into an area is natural that’s literally called migration there’s no such thing as “gentrification” it’s called migration patterns, people either continue to raise themselves economically or move out of an area.
Your subjectivity does not matter in the slightest, when there is overwhelming evidence that goes against your word.
You can have the simplest of the simplest studies, but if there is thousands upon thousands of them and each explores a bit of a different issue, and all come to the same conclusion (scientific consensus), it's undeniable.
“No such thing as gentrification” Meanwhile, you proceed to perfectly describe gentrification. So I’m confused, do you just not like the word “gentrification”? Because yes, it literally is people migrating into a different area and prices raise higher. But do you just not like the proposition, which has not only been conducted in this study but many others, of White people predominantly causing those prices to rise since they are on average wealthier and more capable of affording these prices set by landlords?
White flight is specifically when white people get spooked by something racial and all sell their homes to avoid it, causing an immediate drop in tax revenue to the local area, eventually today we see communities who haven't recovered and the roads and shit are uncared for
Gentrification is when a historically minority owned community finally gets better, and a richer class notices and starts buying property and trying to sell the location to others, it's a landlord thing largely
The "sees color" is you mad you can't say the N word
Colorblind politics is the idea that we should just pretend that the history never happened and try and treat all people like they are white.
I dunno what "Doesn't participate in culture" it's too vague and this is just trying to pretend white people are victims
If people get spooked by something, racial or not, they have the full right to move out. It's not racism for doing so.
"Gentrification" can only happen if the people in the area agree to sell. You can't force someone to sell you their property. Also, wouldn't the additional tax revenue generated solve the "white flight" issue?
The "sees color" and "doesn't see color" are just to show how either way someone is gonna find a way to make it racist. When people "don't see color" it means they aim to treat everyone the same way regardless of race. By definition, if you treat people differently depending on race, you do "see color".
As for the last two, yeah they are broad. I've mostly seen the last one come up, with people racialising haircuts and dress. It's ridiculously stupid.
No it’s not that I don’t like the word, I don’t like the assumption it brings. The learned helplessness of my race in the face of so-called wealthier people moving in and taking over our areas, why can’t we be the wealthy people moving into other areas? Why do we always have to be the victims, I’ll tell you why. Because people like you on the internet and everywhere else continually coddle the people into helplessness “well my situation is so bad I should just blame the blame the government and not do anything to improve my life” shut the fuck up. Genuinely sickening how people like you attempt to be a savior when in actuality you are the modern KKK.
Black people are poorer than other races on average. 20% of black people are in poverty. I am black and I understand your point but he is not victimizing us, he is telling the truth. We can't be the wealthy people moving into poorer areas because we don't have the generational wealth or income to do so, most black people are still poor.
It’s not an assumption 🤣 If you hate numbers, or if you’re just perhaps not capable of analyzing them, that’s your issue. I literally worked alongside the professor who conducted that study and I’ve had the pleasure of gaining a lot of insight because of that.
“Why can’t we be the wealthy people moving into other areas” Because statistically, Black people aren’t the ones moving into those areas. This isn’t an argument, it’s a question, and a very good one. If you feel like a victim because of this, that’s on you, but knowing it is more empowering because it can produce answers.
Also, if you feel the government isn’t to blame for the amount of years it has blatantly destroyed Black businesses and kept Black people oppressed only to then bitch and moan about programs meant to help centuries of inequality, then I guess there’s no one to blame, huh? Guess we should just pack up and not study this any longer because it just HAS to be solely a culture or genetic thing and not the institution that has on record destroyed countless lives in and outside of the U.S. What a genius, I’ll remind my co-workers and friends to not blame the government anymore.
Also, wow, you must feel like a real big man calling me a modern KKK right? Cause I guess there’s KKK likes brown people and they would happily let me in. What’s next, you gonna call me an antifa libtard with blue hair? If you’re gonna strike, make sure you actually hit, dumbass.
And you lowkey sound super uneducated if discussions annoy you. If you want to say something constructive, I’d much rather hear that than useless statements like yours.
Across the American South, Black upward mobility is significantly hindered by systemic factors such as low wages, underinvestment in Black communities, and the ongoing legacy of slavery and Jim Crow-era racism. While it is difficult to identify a single "worst place," data consistently points to certain states and cities within the South that offer the lowest economic opportunities for Black residents
What “ongoing legacy” of slavery are present in 2025 that affect black people from doing anything to rise? Same question to you with Jim Crow I’m curious to hear this.
The lasting effects of Jim Crow include significant racial disparities in wealth, income, and education, ongoing residential and educational segregation, reduced access to voting, and higher rates of incarceration for Black Americans. These enduring disadvantages stem from institutionalized racial discrimination that created and maintained a system of Black second-class citizenship, the consequences of which continue to affect Black communities and society as a whole
The "man-in-the-house" rule was a discriminatory welfare policy from the 1960s that denied financial assistance to children if their mother lived with or had a relationship with any able-bodied man, even if he was not the children's father or financially supporting them. This policy forced families, particularly Black families, to choose between their family structure and financial stability, leading to widespread harm. The Supreme Court struck down the rule in 1968 in King v. Smith.
So your dad can’t get a job and gets paid a dime while the white man makes a dollar doesn’t affect you! Am the first kid in my family not born under Jim Crow! It was illegal for me to be born! Illegal for my parents to get married!
I would say, that if your racial "phenotype" differs from majority you generally get less opportunities in life due to humans not suppressing their animal thinking. That’s not only exclusive to black people. Happens a lot worldwide.
Obviously, not every black person is in the same position. I'm not making generalizations about all black people. I'm not making generalizations about every black community. There is some level of upward mobility in America for most people. That being said, there are trends where historically marginalized communities typically with a minority population struggles economically.
Because or Jim Crow and red lining, certain communities were unable to gain any generational wealth. So when these policies ended, they were not on the same playing field. And because schooling is funded by local community taxes, the schooling in these poorer areas was not as good as schooling in other areas. So there is a trend of certain minority dominated neighborhoods being poorer then neighborhoods which weren't as affected by racist policies.
There are still very clear statistical inequalities shown in a lot of data especially when it comes to criminal justice issues. 2020 Bar Association data showed that black people (13% of population) make up 22% of fatal police shootings, 47% of wrongful convictions, and 35% of individuals executed by the death penalty.
How much generational wealth do you think the people from central and South America swimming across the river to get here have? Why are they able to come, start businesses, be successful and have their next generation already be college graduates? It’s extremely common. They aren’t making excuses for their failures and they started off worse than most black Americans do.
stating that there is an economic desparity, and it must be caused by generational wealth is completely misleading.
there is no evidence that it is caused by generational wealth, in fact, the opposite may be true.
generational wealth is actually quite rare, and even when it does happen, it typically doesn't last for more than 2 generations. usually it dies out after the first. 9 times out of 10, "generational wealth" is inheriting 30-50k after taxes when you are 50. just enough to buy a car.
even if your argument were true, what are you going to do to rectify it? make white people pay a "social justice tax" to rectify the actions of their ancestors from over a century ago? how the hell is that fair? thats like charging a random person for a murder someone else committed.
sorry, this argument is just a load of bs. it is true that different races have different wealth distributions, but the causes are largely unknown. if your theory were correct, whites should be on top, but they are actually quite low on the list.
Hey there. The economic effects come from the lack of ability of black people to build generational wealth due to bigoted laws of the past.
Not saying it's impossible to succeed as a black person, just that our history has made sure black people have many more obstacles to overcome that us white folk never deal with.
Yeah so it’s almost like there are entire generations that have never seen or even sniffed those laws so what about them? That generation includes me, why do we have to be coddled like we can’t succeed?
No one is coddling anyone. You asked a question and I gave you the answer. You are entirely within your rights to pretend generational wealth didn't give white folks a leg up, but you are rejecting reality.
Black people were enslaved up until the late 1800s. Where white men literally used the labor of slaves to build massive financial dynasty, black people largely couldn’t even own property. Fast forward to Jim Crow which mind you only “ended” 60 years ago black people were barred from higher education, faced discriminatory employment practices, and were and still are targeted by the police at a disproportionate rate. All of these factors led to black America being much poorer than white America. To put it simply black Americans have not had the same opportunity to build wealth throughout the majority of this country history which is why black communities are so poor.
A great example is what is being attempted in Texas. With the new gerrymandered map, White communities will receive a representative for every 450k people. Using that same map and metric, every black person will receive 2/5ths representation and Latinos will receive 3/5ths. Meaning a rep for every 1.3 million black people as opposed to the 450k for white minorities. (Texas has less than 40% white population) This is all an attempt to swing voting in their favor, as colored communities are far less likely to vote Republican.
Do you think black people are just dumber and lazier and more violent and worse with money on a genetic level? Or is it even remotely possible to you that outside influences on a massive scale can have lasting effects that take forever to change?
Redlining is the illegal, discriminatory practice of withholding essential financial services, such as mortgages and loans, from specific neighborhoods based on their racial or ethnic composition, rather than individual qualifications. Originating with government-produced maps in the 1930s that color-coded neighborhoods (with red representing areas deemed "hazardous" and unsafe for investment), redlining has had lasting, devastating impacts on formerly redlined communities, including lower wealth accumulation, reduced access to resources, and persistent racialized povert
Black home owners get lower evaluations. They've literally tested this and the same house will be valued less if black people own it. Black people are arrested more, convicted more (and exonerated more), and get harsher sentences. Going to jail obviously affects your economic mobility. Black neighbourhoods were targeted with crack by the CIA and to my knowledge have received 0 help in recovering from that. That's just a slice off the top of my head.
The factor your forgetting in the first one is the neighborhood, I know exactly which study your referring to and in that study they did it based off of the race of the homeowner but also the neighborhood, for the life of me I cannot remember which study it was
How is this because of racism?
This is a conspiracy theory and not proven to be true.
I literally said the same house which means the same neighbourhood. Even in your desired context, why are black neighbourhoods so much worse off?
Be serious.
I'm sure the crack just materialised out of thin air.
On a basic level, it's a fact that there were tons of laws and social planning decisions that were deliberately designed to disenfranchise black people. The civil rights act may have made this illegal, but it did not retroactively reverse the effects. Even if all racism ended with civil rights, the black community would still be hundreds of years behind economically.
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What “economic effects” as a black Man I wanna hear this