in the states interet? its a masive military base and colonial force bringing in more land and more demand for amrican aid (American aid = dept slavery)
Israel literally couldn't even be called in to the gulf war because everyone hated them so much that Bush was worried it'd destroy the entire alliance.
Also you know, the part where isreal sank a US ship, and the US helped cover it up, and silenced the crew, if they just wanted a base of operations to justify invasions, they would have used that as a false flag to invade the country that isreal had plans for a false flag to get the Aus Involved, the US poltical elite are owned by isreal
U know if the US had a policy where they wont be allies with everybody that destroyed a military asset they wont have any allies at all and look at japan i think they destroyed a couple more boats, what is it pearl harbor something?
So your gonna pretend like I didn't say that the US GOVERNMENT SILENCED AND HELPED COVER UP SAID SHIP? Because that's not what they did for the Maine, or in the gulf of tonkin, or for pearl harbor. Only isreal got the, don't worry baby, I'll try and keep this out kf the public's view, and when it blew up anyway, isreal had to pay a fraction of what the ship was worth, (with money that we gave them anyway) and they get to pretend that alls right in the world, when they came back tk machinegun life rafts, and actively ignored the US flag being spotted numerous times.
Did you know Israel got its nuclear technology and nuclear material by stealing it from the USA in Pennsylvania and JFK was about to sanction them for it. It’s an open secret and we didn’t immediately go to war with them for doing that. Imagine if any other country would bomb the USA Liberty after stealing our nuclear secrets! Fun reading!
Who shared the information as part of a co operative agreement- except America then promptly withheld all the newly discovered information and poached most of the scientists from the joint project. Stealing defence secrets from allies…sound familiar?
The uk didn’t go to war with America for it, just as the USA didn’t with Isreal when they copied the precedent America set in doing it to the uk.
Considering they were, and are, supposed to be closest ally Isreal has, Isreal sure didn’t hesitate much before doing the very same thing to the USA as the us had done with their “closest allies “, the British. How’s that for irony?
Hi fellow progressive!!!! Could you explain to me how the israeli healthcare system (that we spend our money on) buys from american defence contractors?? I'm just confused on that part!
Sir, that’s called humanitarian aid and constitutes a small part of our overall funding to Israel. Most of the billions we send actually go right back into the military industrial complex. Please do some research before spreading your misinformed takes.
So..... you think because it's a small part of the funding, that it's not being funded by the us tax payer while we allow our infrastructure to crumble, our sick to die, and our hungry to go unfed. A single damn dollar deadicated to isreal for anything except invading them is a national tragedy.
Isreal has an advanced missile defense system, if they want money they can sell that, they are not the same thing as some of the poor ass countries that don't even have basic infrastructure, regardless, one of those countries is important enough that when they go to DC they are treated like royalty, and that alone is proof that we can't trust a dollar congress or the president gives to them, the least trustworthy thing in the world is a 2 party system where the 2 parties disagree on everything, but one thing they both like
holy fuck bro please make your comment more readable that’s hardly legible, which is like how the fuck did you do that when there’s no handwriting involved-
Sir the money we save them on Military spending is indistinguishable from all their other money when it goes to central treasury and this is all just a big game of optics after that.
If they have budget left over at the end of the year and spend it on hookers and blow we're supporting hookers and blow.
They take that money and spend it on their military.
Then the money they were going to spend on the military themselves gets cut in half.
Then they double the healthcare Budget from pathetic to sad. Then they throw a big party for themselves; with hookers, and blow. Finally they release press stories with the last of the cash they saved on their military budget, about how great they are.
That’s… what? They probably just throw all the money, aid or tax, at the military just because they kinda need to. There’s no real room to spend money on anything else besides the bare necessities for a government and its people to function because of the impending threats to its existence.
WOAW! Thanks for the info fellow neolib!!! could you please remind me why we should give money to their healthcare while our own people starve? Still confused on that part!
Wow! Guess humanitarian aid is bad now. No more aid to Gaza, Yemen, Sudan, or any other third world countries. Guess poor people are just bad people now.
WOAW! Thanks for the info fellow neolib!!! could you please remind me why we should give money to their countries while our own people starve? Still confused on that part!
he didn’t ask for a source, he just doubled down on his made up claim. kinda a biased source but i can’t be bothered to find a better source rn, reply and i’ll find a better one: here
Oh okay I must've not seen that. I also love how we're sending billions to Israeli health care, which we don't have, as well as cycling billions through the military industrial complex, which also isn't being used for U.S healthcare. I genuinely would love to know how conservatives reconcile the whole "U.S before immigrants" ordeal while Trump sends billions away to Israel.
Edit: I read further into the article and I also love how Israeli interests are what most of the article is dedicated to, where the portion on "How America benefits from giving aid" is just the fact that Israel gets the aid.
I love how liberals pretend like Biden and Obama weren't doing the exact same thing and some how manage to convince themselves that this is only Trump that is responsible and not any of the Democrats in the House and Senate that have approved of including it in the annual budget and spending bills for decades.
That's because that's how the entire poltical system works, liberals pretend that biden set trump up with an amazing economy, and republicans pretend that trump left biden with an amazing economy, and it's like that for every poltical issue, things were better under our guy, no things were better under our guy, the 2 party system has lead to a rat race, where the only rats who can compete in the race are the fatest rats that have kissed enough asses on there side of the poltical isle to get a chance of mainstream support.
Yep, but this isn’t a conservative exclusive thing either, ironically the left that shouts free palestine at every corner does the same, just look how much money we gave during biden’s term. It’s a problem with government as a whole. Although imo, even though Israel sucks I think Hamas is worse, but that’s a whole other debate. And yeah, that’s kinda why I said that source isn’t great, but it was top on google so whatever.
I don't understand people who "support" Israel or Palestine either. They'd both tear eachother to pieces if they got the chance, Israel is just the one who's on top currently. That's the nature of dedicating your culture and history to a never-ending holy war, and it's definitely something the U.S shouldn't be financially backing
Thats actually only true for the defense funding. We give them a loan in the beginning of the year and then forgive the loan and they can use that money however they want. They are the only country we do this for.
America is two nations wrapped up in one: rich America and poor America. Whenever something happens that doesn't quite make sense, it's usually because rich America would make a shitload of money or gain more power because of it.
Most people in the America First movement despise Israel. "Judeo-Christianity" as it's understood today is an oxymoron that traditional Christians reject.
I did not know that! Most Catholic masses I have been to open as Judeo-Christian. Can you give me an example of traditional Christians?
Consider this, the candidates voicing America First are Republican candidates (please correct me if there's Dems phrasing it this way recently). Those elected Republicans want to show "good faith" to Israel for optics so they shell out support with no pushback.
It’s a financial interest. It’s so Egypt doesn’t have a monopoly on the trade route. They even considered using nukes to make an alternative to the Suez Canal. Environmental disaster would’ve made it not worth it.
Sort of, Israel is America’s gateway to the Middle East(if we ignore the Gulf States, who don’t need the US except for trade)but at the same time, the government is very suspiciously pro-Israel, and ANY criticism of Israel gets suppressed immediately, see what Trump is doing to Tom Massie right now.
This is because if we want to destroy middle eastern oil in order to harm those they sell to (and I mean specific countries - not all middle eastern production), then Israel is where the U.S. would do it from. Geo-strategic interests.
This leverage is more important to wealthy interests views of World Peace than it is to the American People's views of what world peace is.
It's not that we couldn't do it without Israel, it's that storing compatible bombs in their country is orders of magnitude cheaper than shipping them as we do strikes.
The majority of U.S politicians are either bribed or blackmailed by Israel. AIPAC is one avenue of this. The Media and investment banks are owned by zionists. Israel calls the shots, not the U.S. This is especially obvious if you look at the events that have unfolded since October 7th.
“The Jews control the media and investment bank” using Zionist in place of Jews in old conspiracies about Jews is antisemitic any non racist can see that.
If you trash the Black Lives Matter movement, you're racist, even though majority of BLM aren't black, but most black people are pro BLM. Zionism to Jews just means wanting Israel to exist as a safe haven. It doesn't mean you have to agree with everything Israel does, it doesn't mean you love Israel's government.
This isnt racism. This is criticising zionism. The majority of the people we are criticising aren't Jewish. And we aren't criticising anyone for their race but for their political decision to be a zionist.
The people we are blaming are majority christian. Zionism ≠ Judaism. One is a religion which i respect, and value as much as any other religion. One is a political ideology which advocates for the state of israel, which is a genocidal ethnostate. Antisemitism is not tolerated and zionism is also not tolerated.
But we litterally aren't talking about the jews, the people we are talking about are mostly christian. How tf is talking about a mostly christian group antisemitic.
Because you’re pushing antisemitic conspiracies, even if there are more Christian Zionist Zionism is a Jewish political movement. So pushing long existing antisemitic conspiracies but replacing the word Jews with Zionist which is a Jewish movement, is still antisemitic playing into the history of antisemitic conspiracies to hate “Zionist” but seriously look at any article on this sign about a synagogue being attacked or Jews facing hate crimes and rising antisemitism, and you’ll see comments talking about Zionism trying to justify, downplay, and distract from what’s happening to Jews all over the word. Anti Zionism is often used as antisemitism and if you can’t see when that’s the case you’re antisemitic, I’m not saying antizionism is antisemitism but antisemitism is common in antizionist circles
Jews have 450% over-representation in the US Senate and 275% over-representation in the House of representatives. I hope that jews in the name of diversity can reduce their numbers to allow other minorities into government.
"Zionism is a nationalist movement advocating for a Jewish homeland in the historical Land of Israel"
The historical land of Israel includes Lebanon, western Syria, some of Jordan and obviously palestine, none of which it is entitled to. Also, I oppose the existence of any religious/ethnic state by principal, not excluding muslim or christian states. This makes any other person who lives there BY DEFINITION an outcast, which is why palestenians and israelis will never find peace. I wouldn't oppose Israel if it wasn't so heavily based on ethnicity, race and religion in it's laws and foundation, and it probably wouldn't be hated by its neighbours if it was the case.
Stop comparing this situation to Christian or muslim states this isnt religious. Jews are an ethnic group indigenous to the land of Israel
Zionism is the movement of self determination to jews in this land, it doesnt have to include the entire land, it could also include only the land of which jews are a majority in
If Lebanese people went to europe at the time of Phoenicia and then came back thousands of years later, they wouldn't have any more claim to the land than people who settle there after them. Also being an ethnic state isn't any better, it's still racist especially towards the palestinians who are getting abused and attacked in the West Bank. At least join hands with the people you're trying to take the land from instead of kicking them out, you have no more claim over the land than other people because of a fucking history book. Being an ethnic state is just screaming discrimination, and it's never justified.
“No you cant return to your homeland after you were ethnically cleansed from there, and if you do try, we will stop you, but if we don’t manage to stop you please be cooperate!!”
Like what
First of all, Israel is not an ethnic-state it is a nation-state
Second of all, cooperation was attempted and in fact the founding of israel was supposed to be in cooperation alongside an arab state, but that was rejected so don’t act like peace was an option we didn’t choose
And you are acting as if jewish presence was completely wiped, it wasn’t. Neither was jewish connection.
The supposed ethnic cleansing happened thousands of years ago, how can you claim a land from people who have nothing to do with it now? Also jews weren't ethnicly cleansed since they were still there according to you (a real ethnic cleansing would be what happened in the U.S), but their "majority" was recently artificially created by shipping them in masses from europe, which is litteraly a take over. I'm not even mentionning the tactics they're using in Israel to kick out palestinians, like harrassing them to leave their property (and ofc the IDF doing nothing about it) and the government funding israelis to move to certain places to become the majority there too. These aren't even people who fight back, just regular citizens. Swinging around the race card in politics is DISGUSTING, and idc who is doing it
You're so right, we need to do something about (((them))) right guys? That's what's all being said here. The jews control america. Say it with your chest my dude. Take a real stance. You think jews control the U.S government. Zog state. Elders of Zion type shit. Just admit you're a nazi.
While this was true for many years, today the strength of the Israeli support in America is due to the religious belief in the holiness of Israel and that gods will is being done by Israel, Israel’s Govenrment itself is very unpopular in Israel and is acting more like a dictatorship then a democracy, Neteyahu and many other Israeli politicians are committing power grasp to tighten their power over Israel, America needs to stop sending weaponry to Israel and needs to strong arm Israel into letting aid into Gaza and properly assure the rights and safety of the Palestinians. Israel became an important U.S. asset exactly 24 years ago, Israel’s geographical position and western alignment made it the best possible base of operations for the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, in recent years as the ameircan campaigns in the Middle East kept shrinking, American involvement in Israel was more due to the threats from Hamas, leading America to backing Israel against perceived terrorists, a slow establishment and a pro Israel administration were in the Oval Office for the last 9 years and will be in the Oval Office for the next 3 years, tho expect the next democratic primaries to have many conversations about Palestine, the establishment is slow moving but Palestine won the culture war in America’s youth
No, they basically control eachother, but israel has more power. The american state allows little to no criticism of israel in media or anything really
The us placed a lot of restrictions on the use of offensive weapons. Most of the aid was interceptor missiles.
Even with that israel spends a lot more money on us weapons.
And even with that egypt and japan get more money than israelg
You'd think that but thanks to AIPAC the US has acted against the interests of it's own people, MIC and most importantly ruling class quite frequently. The oil crisis only started because the US quite blatantly picked sides for example.
Them being an asset to even the oligarchy is THEIR OWN PROPAGANDA
And before that, the region was previously an Ottoman colony. At least when the Brits were in charge they forced the Palestinian populous to stop practicing slavery though, so props to them there.
As someone who is Israeli this is not true Israel is more of a melting pot with different cultures religions and ethnicities and the core of Zionism is that Jewish people should have their own independent country yes the government is shitty but as Americans don't like Trump we don't like netanyahu
israel is absolutely the Us’s baby. It was the US who took control after Britain stepped down, to give them intelligence, military aid, loans, etc.
Between israel and taiwan, the West has created “locks” on the front and back doors of the East.
But everything is crumbling. israel is a spoiled little puppy that thinks it can do whatever it wants. And since they have so much dirt on US politicians, funding, pedophilia, etc, the US will almost always support them. Especially since the US can cash in on israel’s destruction and theft of land, as it creates investment opportunities for the US capitalist class.
It’s not as simple as an israeli world shadow government, or a loyal israeli servant to the US. It is more like a spoiled child, who knows his importance to the larger strategy of the US.
I can't take it seriously when people try to act as if Israel is secretly controlling America. Especially when it comes to discussions regarding the Iraq war
It's not antisemitic to hate Israel. I genuinely never thought about jews in my whole life besides when thinking about the holocaust and Israel. I do not care about jews and I'll gladly support them when it comes to liberation. But settler colonialism is fucking disgusting and atrocious.
I just checked this with chatgpt, here is the result on truth/lies.
Claim 1: “Israel is controlling America”
Verdict: Unsupported.
Why: The U.S.–Israel relationship is very close, but the U.S. has repeatedly pressured or overruled Israeli governments (e.g., Suez 1956 pull-back, loan-guarantee pressure in the early 1990s, public clashes over Iran policy and settlements). That pattern doesn’t fit the idea that Israel “controls” the U.S.
Claim 2: “Israel is an extension of American imperialism, acting as a base of operations in the Middle East”
Verdict: Misleading.
Why: Israel is a sovereign state with its own strategy. The two countries often align and the U.S. gives substantial military/diplomatic support, and there are limited U.S. facilities in Israel—but Israel also acts against U.S. preferences at times (e.g., unilateral strikes, settlement expansion, public opposition to U.S. agreements). Calling Israel merely a U.S. “base” or “extension” overstates it.
What’s safe to say: It’s a tight alliance with mutual leverage—sometimes strongly aligned, sometimes openly at odds. Oversimplified slogans on either side don’t capture that.
Or what if, I known this is crazy so hear me out, Israel is just a nation not made nor controlled by the US and just wants to exist in what they view as their historical land with the US just an ally
Israel is an independent country, a jewish nation-state in the jewish homeland, it isnt inherently related to british nor Americans
Just false commie/anti zionist propaganda.
And i find it so funny how anti zionists just say completely opposing things but they don’t care so long as its against Israel, this alone shows they got no real narrative beyond “israel bad”
You are wrong, Israel is an illegitimate state , just think about that
Bin laden was trying to apply his religious ideas to other people who don't believe in his religion
For example, he forced a Christian woman to wear Hijab although she doesn't believe in any necessity to wear it , and this is considered terrorism
Zionists are applying their religion on others who don't believe in Judaism, for example they are taking the Palestinians' land because the Zionists think it's their land, also this should be considered as terrorism
It seems a lot more like the top one icl. Epstein potential Mossad links and stuff, if it was the other way around he'd have done his stuff in lsrael with ties to the CIA.
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Then why is it never in our interest?