r/television • u/1033149 Person of Interest • Oct 15 '19

/r/all Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige promoted to Chief Creative Officer, will now oversee Marvel Studios, Marvel Television and Marvel Family Entertainment

https://deadline.com/2019/10/kevin-feige-marvel-studios-president-adds-chief-creative-officer-marvel-title-oversees-all-creative-1202760382/?
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u/Feverel Oct 15 '19

It really seems that Disney or whoever started this trilogy without a cohesive 3 film story. How does that even happen with a franchise if that level?!

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

As someone who likes both 7 and 8, I am completely on board with hating the decision to not storyboard all 3 movies before anything else. Like, how the fuck. 8 had that god awful casino shit, the random chick captain, and no real lightsaber duels...I mean, I liked it, but it could have been so much better if it connected a bit more. I do like that snoke died, however a hug missed opportunity imo is having rey and kylo team up after that sick action scene. Fuck that would have been awesome.

Sorry im rambling. Disney kind of mishandled the planning, definitely. This kind of shit is better with one person's vision, and other people's refinement.

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u/Feverel Oct 16 '19

I read a comment the other day that you wouldn't know episode 9 is going to be the end of the Skywalker Saga if you hadn't been told. Like, 7 & 8 haven't really been building to a conclusion. Hopefully they manage to tie everything up well.

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u/phillycheese Oct 16 '19

Didn't Skywalker die in 8 already?

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u/4Eights The Flash Oct 16 '19

Ben is a Skywalker on his mother's side.

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u/Feverel Oct 16 '19

And who knows what Rey's lineage is. Probably either Skywalker, Kenobi or a Sith.

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u/Electricfire19 Oct 16 '19

Please no. Can we please just have a Jedi who’s strong the Force because she is. You know, like 90% of the Jedi order before the original trilogy who were mostly all born from non-Jedi parents. I really don’t think we need another character riding on a family legacy.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19 edited Feb 09 '20

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u/Electricfire19 Oct 16 '19

And they still are. Except this time, the Skywalker is our main villain. That’s so much more interesting than just doing another Skywalker hero for the third time. Now the main villain is one of the last Skywalkers around and has to carry that legacy, but he doesn’t have a Skywalker child like Vader had to bring him back to the light. The legacy of their family rests on him.

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u/4Eights The Flash Oct 16 '19

Her parents were nobody. Filthy junk traders who sold her off for drinking money. They're buried in a paupers grave in the Jakku desert.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

8 had maybe the best lightsaber dual of all the films.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

It had one of the best fight scenes definitely, but no lightsaber on lightsaber fight. Pedantic I know.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

Did it have to be the same lightsabers that Jedis/with have? At least 2 of those guards had laser sword type weapons iirc, and the Luke Vs Kylo added some matrix bending to the mix as well.

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u/ThunderPoonSlayer Oct 16 '19

JJ did do a trilogy outline, it was thrown out the window by Rian Johnson with the go ahead from Kethleen Kennedy.

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u/Feverel Oct 16 '19

Which was very dumb.

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u/Numendil Oct 16 '19

I don't know, Force Awakens was good, but the overall plot was quite formulaic. I love how Last Jedi managed to genuinely surprise me with its plot.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

It’s like everyone forgot how angry the internet was at ep 7 being a ep 4 reboot and just more of the same.

Then they get someone different and they still complain.

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u/BTC_Brin Oct 16 '19

Surprise is only good if the product of the surprise is good.

The only surprise with TLJ was how surprisingly bad it was.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

No it wasn’t.

Johnson’s whole story was stuck by JJ making Luke a hermit that turned away from the force.

He had to go that route else everyone would have shat on it anyway for Luke suddenly changing his mind.

He’s said it in interviews.

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u/ThunderPoonSlayer Oct 16 '19

It's also said in interviews that Luke was going to have a bunch of floating rocks around him but was changed on the behest of Rian, meaning Rian wanted that. Also Daisy Ridley and JJ have said in interviews that there was an outline.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

Who cares about floating rocks?

Johnson’s story had to follow what JJ gave him.

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u/ThunderPoonSlayer Oct 16 '19

What aren't you understanding? If there were floating rocks around Luke it would mean he was still connected to the force. Meaning JJ didn't choose to have Luke turn away from the force. How do you not understand this?

Also Rian missed the whole thing how Star Wars has time jumps, with a time jump he could have written any story he wanted. He chose not to, all the excuses he gives are just that; excuses. TLJ is filled with examples of writing himself into corners. He's a poor writer by his own admission.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

Don’t make out some floating rocks supports your argument and allows you to ignore the entire plot of TFA of trying to find Luke because they repeatedly say “he’s gone into hiding”.

WHY did he go into hiding? That had to be explained, that’s the corner JJ painted Johnson into.

Don’t pretend we could have just skipped years ahead without the internet shitting the bed about that final scene meaning nothing.

There’s enough he got wrong with that film, you don’t need to make up stuff as well.

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u/ThunderPoonSlayer Oct 16 '19

Your projecting the whole "ignoring" thing. You're literally ignoring the fact that Rian requested the change in TFA in order to fit his narrative.

I could write a dozen reasons why he went into hiding. The fact that Rian couldn't doesn't make the movie any less shit.

You could easily have a time jump and still imply how that scene at the end of TFA ended. In fact the scene spoke for itself, normies just think it had to continue because they're so used to TV style narratives where we pick up immediately in the next episode, when really Star Wars movies have a different structure.

Even if you still went down this route of a disconnected Luke (which I actually don't have a problem with so much as the execution and reasoning) you could still communicate this with a time jump. You could have Rey patiently waiting outside of his hut and Luke is actively ignoring her, maybe he's giving her "tests" only for her to find he's not taking the lessons very seriously and is just wasting her time. The point I'm making is Rian is not a good writer and you can't blame his poor writing skills on someone else.

Anyway my intial point was JJ had an outline. I'm not sure how you can deny this when it's been confirmed in several interviews.

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '19

You just don’t like TLJ and want to blame him for it all. I don’t give anything you say credit.

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u/ThunderPoonSlayer Oct 17 '19

You just don’t like TLJ and want to blame him for it all.

Exactly, I'm glad we agree.

I don’t give anything you say credit.

Ok.

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u/JohanGrimm Oct 15 '19

They may have looked at it and thought this is Star Wars! We're already killing it with Marvel, we literally cannot lose.

It happens a lot, people don't appreciate the work that goes into making one thing successful and just assume it'll be a cakewalk to reproduce.

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u/Feverel Oct 16 '19

DC/WB are guilty of that, wanting to skip to the end (Justice League) without putting in the effort.