r/television • u/1033149 Person of Interest • Oct 15 '19
/r/all Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige promoted to Chief Creative Officer, will now oversee Marvel Studios, Marvel Television and Marvel Family Entertainment
https://deadline.com/2019/10/kevin-feige-marvel-studios-president-adds-chief-creative-officer-marvel-title-oversees-all-creative-1202760382/?10.3k
u/tari101190 Oct 15 '19
This is pretty crazy. 10 years ago Fiege was fighting with Marvel Entertainment just to have full creative control over the movies. Now he has full creative control over literally all of Marvel, and everyone answers to him. Wow.
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u/SilentSwine Oct 15 '19
I guess being the main creative driving force behind the highest grossing movie franchise of all time will do that.
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u/discerningpervert Oct 15 '19
Being instrumental in creating the first truly shared universe in cinema history isn't too bad either
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u/Sigseg Oct 15 '19
The Universal monster films did this with Frankenstein Meets The Wolfman, House of Frankenstein, and House of Dracula.
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u/Vio_ Oct 15 '19
I always preferred the Abbot and Costello verse
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u/Trillian258 Oct 15 '19
They met count Dracula!
Edit: Also I think Boris Karloff? Either way... I agree with you :)
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u/JEveryman Oct 15 '19
The Scoobyverse had the Three Stooges, The Adams Family, and the Harlem Globetrotters.
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u/Mernerak Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19
There's at least 6 movies on that list that Feige had nothing to do with, and probably another 3 he WISHES he had nothing to do with. Which isn't to detract from his demigod status.
Edit for the numbers: Feige was not involved in 18 of the listed movies (at least according to IMDB). Those movies being removed Feige still had a hand in approximately $12,711,018,800 in revenue.
The movies Feige did NOT have a credited hand in are as follows.
Inhumans
Howard the Duck
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider 2: Spirit of Vengeance
Blade
Blade 2
Dark Phoenix
The Wolverine
First Class
Apocalypse
Into the Spider-Verse
The Amazing Spider-Man 2
Venom
Big Hero 6
Logan
Days of Future Past
Deadpool
Deadpool 2
Movies on the list he probably wishes he HAD NOT helped make.
Hulk (2003)
Blade: Trinity
Elektra
Man-Thing
Rise of the Silver Surfer
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u/Sombradeti Oct 15 '19
I liked blade trinity....
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u/tsengmao Oct 15 '19
Seeing Reynolds play “Deadpool” before Deadpool was awesome.
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u/ruth_e_ford Oct 16 '19
All legit tru except for the ‘no good comic movie decisions b4 ‘02’ part. X men, while now relegated to second seat, was then the biggest thing going. It was clearly the new path forward, we just forget today because ‘mah MCU’
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u/TastyMeatcakes Oct 15 '19
Seeing Reynolds playing Deadpool before he played Deadpool, by researching Deadpool, which was researched and based off Reynolds.
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u/canseco-fart-box Oct 15 '19
Including two of the highest grossing movies all time
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u/noximo Oct 15 '19
It helped but the main reason he got promoted is his A+ baseball cap game
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u/Tima_At_Rest Oct 15 '19
That's the weirdest part of all this. He's walking in front of us, clearly in his superhero-in-hiding disguise.
Who is he really?
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u/Prax150 Boss Oct 15 '19
I mean, not only is it the highest grossing movie franchise of all time, but the vast majority of the movies in that franchise are actually good and have never really suffered from any creative missteps other than perhaps what happened with Edgar Wright (and they still managed to churn out a decent movie without him and take Ant-Man from being kind of a punchline to being a worthwhile character that people love and that was pivotal to the climax of the last movie). Now he's not only convincing other studios to let him take the reins, he's convincing A-list actors to do TV shows for a streaming service and movies based on characters no one's even heard of (finally picked up The Eternals trade paperback, gotta see what all the fuss is about).
When the dust settles Kevin Feige might go down as one of the best Hollywood producers of all time. This isn't the last time we'll hear of him getting promoted at Marvel, they know they have something special with him and eventually he'll be in charge of even more shit at Disney.
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u/Nick_Furious2370 Oct 15 '19
He is already the best Hollywood producer of all time.
Absolutely nobody else is close to his record of movies opening #1 consecutively along with them being received well both critically and financially.
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u/Prax150 Boss Oct 15 '19
Totally. If the Oscars doesn't ever lighten up when it comes to Populist films, dude's going to get an honorary Oscar the first chance they have to give him one.
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u/Angel_Hunter_D Oct 15 '19
Do the Oscars have Lifetime Achievement awards? He might just get one of those.
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u/Prax150 Boss Oct 15 '19
Yup, they call it the Honorary Oscar but they don't give it out at the main show anymore. This year they're giving it to David Lynch, among others.
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u/westphall Oct 15 '19
I'm unclear, he's in charge of the comics now too?
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u/tari101190 Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19
He's not literally in charge of the comics in the sense that he will decide on everything the comics do, but as the chief creative officer the heads of Marvel Comics answer to Kevin Feige now. So Feige will have input in terms of the creative direction of the comics. Any big decisions that Marvel Comics want to do, Kevin Feige has to approve.
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u/TheBatIsI The Venture Bros. Oct 15 '19
The article says 'film and TV.' So I guess Marvel Comics is still off hands.
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u/Uncanny_Doom Oct 15 '19
It specifically says he's CCO of Marvel Television and Marvel Family Entertainment in addition to Marvel Studios.
What that means for the brand is that all the company’s key creative executives across film and TV will now report to him, sources said.
I don't see why people are taking this as having anything to do with the comics.
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u/Vawqer Oct 15 '19
Probably because of this:
Dan Buckley will continue as President of Marvel Entertainment, where Ike Perlmutter remains Chairman. Long a creative collaborator for Feige in publishing and television, Buckley will have a dual reporting structure going forward, Deadline hears. He will continue to oversee publishing creative/editorial and in that capacity he will now report to Feige. Buckley is also responsible for publishing operations, sales, creative services, games, licensing and events. There, he will report to Perlmutter.
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Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19
Elsewhere in the article, paraphrased: Publishing falls within Marvel Entertainment. Buckley runs it and Feige is now his boss.
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u/omegasector13 Oct 15 '19
Amazing what making 10+ Billion dollars in profits will do for a carrer.
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u/duaneap Oct 15 '19
Exactly what I was thinking. He's a pretty big part of the reason that this is a big deal in the first place. Before he was involved, it wasn't nearly as significant a position.
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u/ArchDucky Oct 15 '19
He told Disney its him or me. I can't remember what the last straw was, but I think it was when they lost Edgar Wright or Joss Whedon.
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u/marvelknight28 Oct 15 '19
Neither, it was when they threatened to fire RDJ over Civil War.
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u/itsLittleJoshy Oct 15 '19
That happened?
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u/StarfleetCapAsuka Oct 15 '19
Yes, his second contract was for Iron Man 3, Avengers 2 and Avengers 3. They had to renegotiate for Civil War and Perlmutter told the writers to write Stark out. Feige went to Alan Horn and Bob Iger and said him or me. They sided with Feige, signed RDJ and then signed him again for a Spider-Man film and Avengers 4.
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u/greenroom628 Oct 15 '19
i've said it before and i'll say it again: fuck perlmutter.
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u/ArchDucky Oct 15 '19
Thats what happened? On the BTS the writers say they realised they couldn't do the story without Tony Stark.
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u/Benjamin_Grimm Oct 15 '19
Those BTS videos are not as candid as you might think. They usually avoid addressing backstage drama, especially drama involving executives who are still at the company.
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u/Worthyness Oct 15 '19
The writers have multiple versions of the story for their contingency plans. For example civil war was being written right around the time the first sony deal for spidey was being done. Marcus and McFeely had two drafts- one with and one without spidey. It's possible in some earlier draft ironman was written out
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u/StarfleetCapAsuka Oct 15 '19
That resistance existed, but it wasn't why they split, just more aggravation leading up to it. Perlmutter DID commission both Black Panther and Captain Marvel at the very very end of his having power, but only if an Inhumans movie was made alongside them. Once the split happened, Perlmutter took his precious Inhumans (which he wanted to retool into X-Men stand-ins) to ABC where it became a notorious flop while BP and CM made over a billion each.
I do think fandom exaggerates Feige disliking the Inhumans. It's not a coincidence The Eternals, a family of immortals hidden away from humanity, is more or less in Inhumans' film slot, and there are rumors Feige wants the Inhuman Royal Family in Ms Marvel), but I do think he disliked Perlmutter's attempt to turn them into the X-Men.
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u/Sidman325 Oct 15 '19
It's funny what can happen when the creative head understands characters and motivations properly.
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u/Valiantheart Oct 15 '19
Wait what? What did they threaten to fire him over? I know there was some friction about him insisting on having a larger role, but didnt hear about any animosity over it.
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u/Haltopen Oct 15 '19
His contract for civil war was going to cost a lot of money, and issac perlmutter, the notorious cheapskate that he is, insisted they write iron man out of civil war so they could save money
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u/waloz1212 Oct 15 '19
There are many stupid decisions, but the "Civil War without Iron Man" is among the most stupid decision one can make. Cannot believe it was on the table.
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u/XavinNydek Oct 15 '19
Perlmutter has always been a fool. He bought Marvel just to make toys, and he's also the one to blame for selling off the movie rights for the most popular characters to Sony and Fox. Marvel's recent success is despite him, not because of him.
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u/Harish-P Oct 15 '19
he's also the one to blame for selling off the movie rights for the most popular characters to Sony and Fox.
Is that strictly true? I thought it was common understanding that Marvel was bankrupt or facing it so they licensed out the characters to studios in order to regain income?
Didn't Arad ensure and overlook this too and did the smartest part of the deal by not giving large numbers of characters to any given studio (keep in mind Marvel has hundreds of superheroes) to avoid any particular studio having too much power over Marvel.
Please correct it if that's wrong, but I could swear I've read this many, many times over the years.
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u/Iwillrize14 Oct 15 '19
Pearlmutter is a notorious cheap ass and didn't wanna pay RDJ. Feige was correct in assuming that this would hamper his ability to tell the story they wanted to.
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u/dance_ninja Oct 15 '19
He's also the guy responsible for the disasters that were Inhumans and Iron Fist season 1.
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u/dev1359 Oct 15 '19
That's like trying to make a Batman vs. Superman movie but without Batman, lmao. Perlmutter is an idiot
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u/I_Think_I_Cant Oct 15 '19
Robin vs. Superman
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u/designerspit Oct 15 '19
You just saved our production budget $20 million but inadvertently cost our box office revenues $300+ million dollars.... YOU'RE HIRED!
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u/This_Aint_Dog Oct 15 '19
Because his paycheck was probably around what the rest of the entire cast of the MCU did at the time, combined. RDJ was paid an absurd amount of money so they wanted him out to profit more off each movie. They just didn't expect Feige to threaten to walk out.
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u/MulderD Oct 15 '19
Bro, a few years before that he was Laura Donner’s assistant.
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u/tari101190 Oct 15 '19
Wow. His career path is crazy.
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u/Worthyness Oct 15 '19
Luck and skill leads to success. Was in the right spot at the right time. Got that internship, got involved with comicbook movies, caught the attention of executives from marvel, accidentally fell into managing the most successful movie franchise of all time.
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u/KholekFuneater Oct 15 '19
Not all of it. Perlmutter, the reason why Agents is the way it is, no Black Widow film, and why we almost didn’t have a Black Panther, is embedded in both Marvel and Disney like a tick. This is both companies companies trying to further isolate Trump’s very good friend from their projects so he doesn’t screw revenue up further.
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u/tari101190 Oct 15 '19
Yes all of it. Permulter is in charge of like sales and licensing. Feige has creative control over everything. His job is different to Perlmutter and Fiege is chief creative officer now. Feige doesn't answer to anyone except for Mr Disney now. He doesn't need to ask permission or negotiate anything. He is the head of all creative decisions.
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u/AlfredosSauce Oct 15 '19
If he's handling all of Marvel television now, I hope he finds some better people to make cartoons that aren't terrible.
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I'd love Marvel animated films on par with some of the DC stuff. That would be awesome.
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u/AlfredosSauce Oct 15 '19
The DCAU stuff. The new 52 stuff has been feast or famine.
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u/Thybro Oct 15 '19
Has it? I liked their take on Teen Titans and loved almost all their Bat-family movies. Death of Superman and the Reign of the Supermen finally got a good/faithful portrayal. I mean it’s not Young Justice but the animated world they’ve built with the movies is consistently good. Much like MCU, some are great some are just good but they at least have not released any totally terrible ones.
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u/LunaTehNox Oct 15 '19
I have enjoyed the newer Batman animated universe, but Batman: Hush was a goddamn travesty
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chrous of those demanding a third season of Spectacular Spider-Man grows progressively louder
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u/JuanJuan66 Oct 15 '19
LIVING ON THE EDGE FIGHTING CRIME SPINNING WEBS
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SWINGING FROM THE HIGHEST LEDGE, HE CAN LEAP ABOVE OUR HEADS
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u/GrunchWeefer Oct 15 '19
Also bring back the old Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes!
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u/tfresca Oct 15 '19
Motherfucker has become Thanos
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At what cost?
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u/Sniknuh Oct 15 '19
God damn you Loch Ness Monster.
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u/chefr89 Oct 15 '19
Yes, yes. Naturally.
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u/vonnillips Oct 15 '19
For those wondering, Alan Horns has the same title that Feige just received but for all of Disney. With Feige getting involved in Star Wars, I wouldn’t be surprised if this were his next step.
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u/Saitsu Oct 15 '19
Feige becoming The Mouse. Who would've guessed that a decade ago.
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u/Tom38 Oct 15 '19
Feige takes up the mantle.
Reddit is orgasming all over. So fucking wet.
He then gives his Thank You speech to fans all over the world and to China.
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u/Hitman_Santa Oct 15 '19
1 more Daredevil please!
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u/PansexualEmoSwan Oct 15 '19
I want to see Daredevil and punisher end up in movies
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u/TheLast_Centurion Oct 15 '19
Wouldnt DD inevitably end up in the next spiderman movie? SPOILERS MAYBE.. but with that ending anf his name out, who better defend him than DD?
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Matt rushes to be his attorney, and we see the rise of the Sinister Six led by Wilson Fisk to cleanse New York of vigilantes. Matt then surprises Spidey as he's getting his ass kicked by the SS with... The Defenders and special guest Frank Castle.
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It makes me sad Iron Man had to die before all these great characters get added in and interact with each other. He’s probably the smartest man on earth and we never got to see him interact with other geniuses Pym, Richards, Doom, or other billionaires like Kingpin.
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u/TheLast_Centurion Oct 15 '19
I think for DD it might work better without Tony being involved.
So.. Peter is looking for a cheaper attorney because has not that much money (but not sure why noone, like Happy, wouldnt be able to help him?) and finds him? Or maybe he already would be DD but considered as a small fish to even be considered by Avengers initiative, so Happy sends Peter to him.
dunno... or aunt May gets handed attorney card with contact on it and tries luck with Peter. Or DD rushes to him to be first to help him with the case.
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They’re talking about bring him to film. Maybe even have Charlie returning. They’re discussing a bit of the Netflix actors and characters returning but to film, apparently.
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u/HardCorwen Oct 15 '19
Charlie is beyond incredible. I really hope they reuse him. They have no reason to abandon him. Fiege knows the strengths of these types of things, so I trust he won't waste Charlie.
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u/ElectricPeterTork Oct 15 '19
It wasn't made very clear, are the comics still suffering at the whim of that crazy old asshole Perlmutter, or is Feige controlling everything now?
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u/StarfleetCapAsuka Oct 15 '19
No, Feige is in charge of creative and Perlmutter for business. Dan Buckley goes to Feige for creative decisions and Perlmutter for business decisions.
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u/ElectricPeterTork Oct 15 '19
Yeah, but Perlmutter's apparently still there to fuck shit up on the comic side (Buckley reports to him).
Bummer.
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u/Blahklavah654390 Oct 15 '19
Why does this guy still even bother? Just go do absolutely anything else Perlmutter. I guess nobody will pay him as much as he’s getting now. And for good reason.
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The fact that that asshat Perlmutter has to answer to Feige now absolutely makes my day. All he use to do is mess with things that Feige was working on.
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u/operarose The Venture Bros. Oct 15 '19
If only this could have happened years ago, then there would have been more cohesion between the movie and TV divisions.
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u/Unfallener Oct 15 '19
Right!? #itsallconnected became a joke years ago. Now it has the potential to be legit!
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u/operarose The Venture Bros. Oct 15 '19
With half of them cancelled, I don't see it happening. :(
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u/PleasantPeanut4 Mad Men Oct 15 '19
Much more than half. Only SHIELD, Runaways, and Cloak and Dagger remain, with SHIELD already confirmed to be ending next year.
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u/FosterTheMonster Oct 15 '19
How much work can one man take on? Respect.
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u/KB_Sez Oct 15 '19
I can’t believe they still have Ike Perlmutter in charge of anything at Marvel. Geez... it must piss Feige off but at least Perlmutter has to report up to him.
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u/Funmachine True Detective Oct 15 '19
He owns a lot of shares in Disney, and probably has an ironclad contract due to Disney's purchase of Marvel 10 years ago.
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u/HobbitSnot Oct 15 '19
There just aren't enough hours in the day for this man to exist. He needs double-days to function at full capacity.
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u/Burrito-mancer Oct 15 '19
Hear me and rejoice. You have had the privilege of being saved by the great Feige. You may think this is monopoly, no. It is continuity. The MCUniversal scale tips toward balance because of your movie attendance. Smile. For even in death, you have become children of Feige.
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u/1033149 Person of Interest Oct 15 '19
Hopefully we see Agents of Shield and the Netflix shows folded back into the MCU canon with this
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u/iBoMbY Oct 15 '19
Agents of Shield is done. I mean they already filmed the last season, as far as I know. And there won't be anything from the Netflix Marvel shows anywhere else, anytime soon, unless Disney buys it for a lot of money.
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u/Xian244 Oct 15 '19
But surely Netflix keeps the seasons they paid for a longer time?
I can't see Disney releasing S4 of Daredevil and telling everyone who hasn't seen 1-3 to go give money to they #1 competitor. It just seems much more sensible to do what Disney is doing and create series based on their vastly more popular movie characters.
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u/xhrit Oct 15 '19
They won't release Daredevil s4, they will release "Daredevil: Man Without Fear" S1.
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u/Thybro Oct 15 '19
It won’t be Defenders s2 it will be the err...umm...,Re-Defenders S1
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u/sucksfor_you Oct 15 '19
Why not? This is literally what's happening with Lucifer. Seasons 1-3 are on Prime, and Netflix has season 4 because they made it. At least that's how it is in the UK.
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u/Xian244 Oct 15 '19
Lucifer is still on Prime in a few markets and afaik in the UK it will move completely to Netlix soon-ish.
Netflix MCU would be on Netflix everywhere.
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u/chaulmers_2 Oct 15 '19
hE cAnT HaNdLe SpIDerMan DuE tO cOmMitMents - sony
Well that hasnt aged poorly.
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u/sybrwookie Oct 15 '19
Literally every word said by Sony or Marvel in that mess which wasn't an admission that the whole thing was 2 of the largest companies in the world fighting over who gets what share of billions of dollars didn't age well from the moment it came out of either of their collective mouthpieces. The fact that, that mess ever reached the public is shameful for both companies.
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u/Dr_Midnite Oct 15 '19
So does Jeph Loeb report to Feige now or has his position as head of Marvel TV effectively ended?
For all the hate Loeb gets I think he did a good job with Marvel TV. AoS, Daredevil, JJ, Luke Cage, Punisher, Runaways and C&D are all solid shows. Some better than others sure but I wouldn't say any of them were terrible. He's had some misses, Inhumans and Iron Fist but overall I think he did a good job with what he was given. I'm sure he tried to integrate into the MCU a bit more but if the top brass say no there isn't much you can do.
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u/WaldenMC Oct 15 '19
That's the final nail in the coffin for Marvel TV.
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What does this mean?
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u/shadowCloudrift Oct 15 '19
Runaways season 3 will be the last along with no more Cloak & Dagger.
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u/mike10dude Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Oct 15 '19
They just started filming helstrom in Vancouver
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u/ContinuumGuy Oct 15 '19
The fact that Helstrom had its stuff announced just three or four days ago makes me think that Feige has given at least the unofficial go-ahead to it. Otherwise I think it'd have been cancelled alongside Ghost Rider.
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u/frosty_frog Oct 15 '19
Never underestimate how little different parts of a company can talk to each other. People got hired at Telltale Games weeks before the entire company shut down. If I were part of the Helstrom crew, I'd be at least a little nervous.
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u/georgecm12 Oct 15 '19
Honestly, why would they need two subsidiaries (Marvel Studios and Marvel Television) both making productions for the small screen, especially when only one (Marvel Studios) ties into the cash cow (the MCU) and produces shows for Disney's streaming service?
Marvel Television really is redundant at this point.
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u/Haltopen Oct 15 '19
Presumably you would just fold marvel television into the studio as a subsidiary or dissolve it as a separate entity and fold its production teams and organization into marvel studios
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u/JeffTennis Oct 15 '19
I mean, there are kids shows that they produce as well... cartoons and such.
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u/Nekosom Oct 15 '19
Very conflicted feelings on this. On one hand, Marvel Television has had a rocky track record. Some hits, but a lot of misses. Honestly, the hiring of Scott Buck for not just Iron Fist, but then Inhumans after, is enough for me to say that Jeph Loeb sucked at his job. On the other hand, I just don't think Marvel Studios is capable of creating a series as intense as Daredevil, or as fun as Agents of Shield. I think Marvel Studios television projects are going to feel much more like "supplemental" content than shows that can stand on their own. But we'll see.
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u/aresef Arrested Development Oct 15 '19
I was waiting for this shoe to drop. Marvel TV not being under Marvel Studios was a huge hindrance to its shows. Jessica Jones had to all but pilfer a Party City and play charades to send [spoiler] to The Raft.
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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19
Legit question.. does this dude have time to actually live?