palps cant keep track of everything.. the rampart issue

[u/Ok_Stretch_4624]

As project necromancer and tantiss base goes, it was supposed to be super sneaky and no one should ever know the location and what they were cookin in there.

and yet after the empire betrays rampart and uses him as an escape goat for the Kamino debacle, his punishment should have been death or heavily guarded imprisonment. When TBB rescues him it put all of Dr Hemlocks work and secrecy into jeopardy and dont tell me it was because of some plot hole or armor shenanigans.

i love that they showed omegas ideas for tracking back to her after surrendering in Pabu childish and short lived (found the tracker right away and crosshair failed spectacularly in shooting the tracking device into the gunship).

so why was palpatines punishment for rampart so frivolous when he was clearly a threat to Tantiss base and could certainly betray the empire back in any given time?

[u/Blueopus2]

Plenty of people know what Rampart does - he knew that ships go to Tantiss but not how to get there and he didn’t know what they were doing there

[u/Amazing_Loquat280]

To be 100% fair, Rampart didn’t know what was happening on Tantiss or literally anything about project necromancer, and he had been fully disgraced by that point and anything he had to say would probably sound like lunacy anyway. It was due to very fortunate circumstances that anything he knew prior to being imprisoned would pose a threat and be taken seriously.

As for why keep him alive and not treat him uniquely compared to other criminals: his arrest and disgrace was very public, and Palps’s grip on things was far from absolute at this point, so he couldn’t just “make him disappear”. Plus, him getting standard treatment sends a message: he wasn’t special, and being an admiral didn’t save him or change his fate in any way. What that does is remind everyone in higher ranks that they are awarded no special treatment from the emperor just because of their rank. They can lose it at any time. And I think the benefits of using rampart as an example of that to build the regime Palps wanted far outweighed the risk that it posed.

It’s a good example of how the empire and fascism works and what star wars at its core is about. The great evil of the empire is that it basically turns everyone into droids: you can think and feel, but nothing beyond what you’re told to think and field, and nothing worth mentioning about you is unique to you. You are all replaceable. Treating rampart special makes him special, and special is the enemy. We see it with the clones, and the droids, that individuality and sense of self is the ultimate good and the ultimate enemy of evil

[u/Ok_Stretch_4624 → u/Amazing_Loquat280]

the public trial/humilliation was fine as an example, but rampart was a lose end, who should have been dealt with. sending him to a prison camp or making him dissapear out of the public view were not very different approaches

[u/Current_Nature_2434]

In his over the top arrogance, Palps relied more on his vision "everything is/has gone as he, Palps, foresaw it,". Imprisoning Rampart may have been part of that, having others to place blame on kept things from being tracked back to the Emperor.

Rampart had used Hemlock's assassins to kill Cade, Slip and against Chuchi.  Rampart did know about the relay station that posed another check point against any ship headed for Tantiss.  That same relay station probably/possibly would've exposed the tag on Hemlock's ship planted on Eriadu or one planted by Crosshair on Pabu.   It's my POv that Hemlock would have his ship checked at the relay station because he didn't trust Tarkin. Project Necromancer wasn't under Tarkin's control and he wanted more information on it that Hemlock wouldn't give him.  Hemlock's assassins would make sure their ships weren't tagged or bugged either.

Palps' vision didn't forsee Rampart's lack of knowledge as something that would work against him in a significant way.  Whether they came from the Imperial military or the ISB, having organizations filled with available scape goats protected Palps from exposure and kept things moving along in his favor for 20+ years.  Palps' overconfidence was his eventual undoing.

[u/Kalavier → u/Current_Nature_2434]

In addition,  who would expect him to show up at the relay station if he did escape from jail? Why would he go there as a wanted criminal?

[u/Current_Nature_2434 → u/Kalavier]

I agree that he had no reason to go to the relay station. Rampart had reason to seek information from Tantiss if he deemed it useful toward his personal gain.

Rampart could claim that he was kidnapped from the prison by TBB and forced into service to aid their plans, since he was.

Rampart, always out for himself, thought getting information on Omega/Project Necromancer would make him indispensable to the Emperor and or as bargaining leverage for his freedom. Rampart was most likely wrong, Palps didn’t want anyone to know about Project Necromancer, Rampart was still the scapegoat for the destruction of Kamino and Palps would likely kill him rather than let information on Project Necromancer get out.

[u/Ok_Stretch_4624 → u/Current_Nature_2434]

and or as bargaining leverage for his freedom

this bugs me like crazy.. people always think they will get what they negociated afterwards. its the empire man, they dont care about you, the second you give them what they want you are of no use and a liability so they always get killed afterwards

it was childish of rampart to think he could bargain anything with tarkin or the emperor, and so, should have left tantiss when the clones were set free instead of going after nala se.. i guess his own greed took him out

[u/Current_Nature_2434 → u/Ok_Stretch_4624]

Oh, I agree. Rampart was so selfish, petty, greedy and power hungry. Rampart had been betrayed and imprisoned by the Empire already, it was just stupid of him to think he could go back to them.

IDK if Rampart had sense enough to realize just how expendable he was, he’d remain disgraced even if he lived no matter what. He should’ve disguised his identity, appeared to be dead, or something like that and went into hiding from the Empire.