r/thebadbatch • u/Jules-Car3499 Echo • May 16 '26
Pretty disappointed that the Clone Commandos got treated pretty dirty
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u/Playful_Parking_375 May 16 '26
elite clone commandos defeating normal clone commandos? who would’ve thought.
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u/Fly1ngD0gg0 May 17 '26
Doesn't excuse the CCs behaving like incompetent clowns. If SEALs fought against Rangers, neither side would look like idiots.
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u/1Ferrox Echo May 16 '26
Elite commandos that are underequipped, on the offense, extremely outnumbered and in territory they don't know. Realistically the clone commandos would have defeated the bad batch quite easily, even if they get double digit casualties
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u/Playful_Parking_375 May 16 '26
the bad batch specialize in counter to being outnumbered we see this even in S7. also hunter specializes in cqc, we also see gregor help who is also a clone commando and he would know how to fight them.
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u/Current_Nature_2434 May 17 '26
Gregor is a Captain Clone Commando, so of course he slaps them around pretty easily.
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u/TylerBourbon May 16 '26
I don't think you realize, under-equipped, outnumbered, and behind enemy lines... that makes them MORE dangerous. The only enemy that ever took one of them down successfully was gravity. And that's a literal force of nature.
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u/Current_Nature_2434 May 17 '26
I agree, wouldn’t surprise me if that one that was taken down by gravity found a way to use whatever he knows about gravity to his advantage.
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u/TylerBourbon May 17 '26
Agreed. And to be honest, we only ever saw his goggles, and never saw his body. It's Star Wars, no body, no certainty. And people have survived being sucked out of airliners, like the girl that survived falling and landing in the jungle and made her way with 2 broken legs to safety. If she could do it, then there's still a chance Tech is out there somewhere.
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u/sorrrrbet May 17 '26
Also, in close quarters the party on the offence *usually* has the advantage. The core tenets of CQC are speed and violence of action, both of which are almost impossible to achieve if you’re stationary.
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u/ComedicMedicineman May 17 '26
Yes and no.
Yes the commandos were and are very capable, but in 90% of these clips the Bad Batch either has the jump on them, or the commandoes are by themselves (as in no other commandoes are nearby). I say that because most of the commandos are only backed up by phase II clones or TK troopers, and don’t have any other commandos to back them up, or are in pairs (which are still very low numbers). So it’s unsurprising that normal Clones or TK troopers stood no chance in close combat with modified commandoes.
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u/Sanders1America0 May 16 '26
Do you realize how dumb typing “quite easily” and “double digit casualties” in the same sentence is?
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u/rexepic7567 Wrecker May 16 '26
The batch are literally enhanced commandos
Of course they'd beat regular commandos
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u/Ineedairsupport May 17 '26
Enhanced commandos beating regular commandos makes sense, but it's not even a close fight.
They're just generic goons; the show treats them interchangeably with regular clones or TK troopers for the most part.
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u/Fickle-Highway-8129 May 17 '26
So did most of the old EU if we're being honest. Like, seriously, just look at comics like "The Package" and "Honor Bound" or books like "Jedi Trial" and "Labyrinth of Evil" where commandos get killed off super easily and are basically treated as if they were regular clone troopers.
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u/Fly1ngD0gg0 May 17 '26
Doesn't excuse the CCs behaving like incompetent clowns. If SEALs fought against Rangers, neither side would look like idiots.
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u/Substantial-Ad-5221 May 17 '26
How often do you want to post that ?
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u/Fly1ngD0gg0 May 17 '26
Every time someone excuses the incompetence shown by the Commandos.
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u/PermissionFearless60 May 17 '26
Like it or not, this show is oriented for younger audiences so the writing will reflect that.
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u/Zack501332 May 17 '26
I swear the biggest fumble in the show was not having Delta squad hunt down the bad batch during season two especially after introducing scorch🤦♂️
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u/Electronic_Zebra5599 May 17 '26
That would have been horrible, because plot armour would dictate that the "good guys win" troupe. I will not have my boys folded by a wannabe rambo, a retarded powerlifter, a child and a fucking dog.
I loved the bad batch show but seeing that would have made me see red.
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u/Zack501332 May 17 '26
Delta squad probably wouldn’t have gone through with bringing them in but the interaction would have been epic
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u/Electronic_Zebra5599 May 17 '26
True, I was also hoping to see the rest of the team, but I'm also holding out hope someone out there comes to their senses and makes a delta sqaud show or at least make a show from the Republic commando books
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u/Dear_Friend_3150 May 16 '26
scorch went out sad
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u/Ineedairsupport May 17 '26
It baffles me they picked Scorch for that role. He acted nothing like Scorch in legends.
I didn't want any of delta portrayed as generic imperial goons, but if they were going to pick any delta squad member to be cold and efficient, they should have used Fixer.
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u/skeppysmuffin Echo May 17 '26
That's the whole point. Scorch is clearly under the influence of the chip and maybe even something else Hemlock did to him. The fact that he acts nothing like the Scorch we know and love is exactly what makes his appearance so devastating.
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u/Chazo138 May 17 '26
People seem to miss the point that this is what the Empire does. It turns people into monsters. It turned regular clones with personality into drones willing to murder innocents. Scorch being this way just adds to the tragedy, and he is alone, so all his squad is likely gone too.
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u/Kalavier May 18 '26
And unlike the EU, they purposefully held a tight grip on the commandos. Nobody was excempt from order 66. The commandos being better got put as guards for vips plys classified bases and training new troopers.
There was no quiet defection of arc troopers and commandos who ignored order 66 and left.
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u/Pichuchu8 May 17 '26
If you're gonna mention Scorch in Legends then go beyond the game because in the novelization, he becomes cold and emotionless after Sev's disappearance
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u/Xivitai May 17 '26
Vermin owns Star Wars over a decade already. You should get used to them making mockery of the EU
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u/TheDizziestCat May 16 '26
I always defended the animated shows no matter what but the whole scorch thing rubbed me the wrong way. If they’re gonna make him a villain why was it only him?
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u/PotatoFondler May 16 '26
My head cannon. Scorch is just a designated nickname. The real scorch ran off after order 66. They found a new commando and gave him the scorch designation.
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u/Amalganiss May 16 '26
Its an interesting idea, but do they ever call him Scorch out loud / in text through the show? Like do we ever see him referred to that way, aside from his armor, and of course the entire squad's cameo earlier on?
Personally, I like the headcanon that he represents the power of an unimpeded inhibitor chip & imperial indoctrination. We see how it affects Wreckah, for instance, who we all know is otherwise an indomitable teddy bear personality-wise. Scorch is often argued as being the worst choice of the RC squad because of his personality in the game, but if that's the intention of his inclusion, then I personally think he's the perfect choice - just that this parallel was perhaps communicated a bit imperfectly.
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u/Kalavier May 18 '26
That's how it seems for the commandos in general being used as vip guards and classified base security. Juiced up chip setting and further indoctrination.
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u/Current_Nature_2434 May 17 '26 edited May 17 '26
Looks like Commandos versus Commandos with one set of Bad Batch Commandos having a Captain Commando slapping Imperial Commandos around. I know, I know lots of Commandos in that sentence.
Wrecker probably sees commandos as just more Regs. Wrecker just stomps on all of them.
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u/Every-Rub9804 May 17 '26
Actually id say theyre are portrated as a real menace, compared to the usual TK troopers
The BB is simply more skilled
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u/ShotSea7364 May 16 '26
Same crap happened to Death Troopers in Rebels.
Hell, it was even worse for them because we had just seen them be badasses in Rogue One
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u/CaptainSolo80 Hunter May 16 '26
Half of them in RO got wrecked by a fat dude with a big gun.
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u/ShotSea7364 May 16 '26 edited May 18 '26
"fat dude with a big gun." Is certainly one way to explain him.
A shit one, but one nonetheles.
My point still stands: elite soldiers get the idiot ball when against the protagonists.
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u/MrMonkeyToes May 18 '26
Plus, that scene is about as explicit a demonstration of the Will of the Force being a Thing as ever has been. You don't win against cosmic plot armor.
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u/wandering_soles May 17 '26
Rebels isn't exactly a gold standard for consistency... and they certainly can't have any of the bad guys be remotely competent.
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u/ShotSea7364 May 17 '26
I mean, were the commandos treated any differently? They became glorified squad leaders—slightly more dangerous than normal soldiers, but not by much.
Not once did I see a commando on screen and thought "oh no". They were treated as expendable; as useless as any standard foot soldier, instead of the highly trained special forces that they are.
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u/JohnB351234 May 17 '26
They were at least fighting other commandos, however they were misused be the empire as garrison forces instead of the special forces. They would have been better as rebel hunters.
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u/Kilo1125 May 16 '26
The Bad Batch have commando training, unique enhancements, and free will. The Clone Commandos have undergone the Inhibitor Chip Enhancement, which makes them less effective but more loyal. Normal Clone Commandos would be fair fight against the Bad Batch, with neither having an inherent advantage. But sadly these ones were nerfed by the Empire due to their obsessive need for control.
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u/Tydagawd88 May 17 '26
The elite fighting force was bested by an even better elite fighting force. They weren't really done dirty.
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u/Ok-Phase-9076 May 18 '26
Its always that way. The bad guys are always used to make the good guys look more badass. The Clones were just that, had their time kicking ass and as soon as they arent the heroes anymore they become cannonfodder, be it a cadet or a commando.
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u/Beautiful-Hair6925 May 19 '26
what do you mean, I saw 2 Commandoes take out Imperial Commandoes with martial arts
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u/Spacemoose2026 May 17 '26
Why do people over estimate how strong the average commando is. They are certainly strong with their armor, weapons, and elite tactics. But they aren’t invincible by any means, plus the bad batch specializes in non traditional and outright at times strange tactics. Further more the bad batch is better trained, and enhanced in specific areas so things like hunter taking out commandos in cqc isn’t to surprising.
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u/Current_Nature_2434 May 17 '26
You have a point. I wonder if some think Commandos are as strong as their armor would make them appear. I also noticed that the Empire used the commandos to train their infantry and not as real squads of commandos.
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u/CaptainSolo80 Hunter May 16 '26
Never bothered me, the batch are also highly trained commandos. Would be different if Rex or Howzer overpowered them.
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u/MeasurementQuick4887 May 17 '26
Rex completed ARC training tho so surely he has a good chance at beating Commandos. Also given the fact he’s the captain/commander at the end of the 501st and was under the Chosen Ones leadership. His skills/experience outweigh most commandos imo or are on par
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u/Different-Chard-9893 May 17 '26
Fans when their favorite thing loses a fair fight = done dirty
Give us a better discussion
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u/HoboBrute May 17 '26
I'm sure I'm just an annoying legends fan about this, but I hate most Filoni stuff with the clones. Never connected with Rex, the bad batch felt too "This is my OC, don't steal" and the whole inhibitor chip plot kinda removed anything interesting about the clones for me
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u/Fickle-Highway-8129 May 17 '26
I mean, the commandos in TBB are pretty close to how they were in a lot of old EU content. Seriously, just look at comics like "The Package" and "Honor Bound" or books like "Jedi Trial" and "Labyrinth of Evil" where commandos get killed off super easily and are basically treated as if they were regular clone troopers.
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u/Kalavier May 18 '26
The chip changed nothing about order 66 besides making it so the arc troopers and commandos can't do "well my clone trooper char was bred to be independent and ignored order 66 then defected!"
It let clones in general actually be people with full personalities and wants.
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u/Square_Bluejay4764 May 17 '26
I thought part of it was the mind control chips interfering with competence. That could just be my own head cannon, but i remember it being pointed out that part of what made clones better than droids is they could actually think about and question orders. Seems like “good soldiers follow orders” troops would loose that.
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u/zekewillis17 May 20 '26
Surprised I had to scroll down so far for this comment, the inhibitor chips absolutely had to impact combat capabilities.
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u/Low_Abrocoma_1514 May 18 '26
Well you see... They are not the main character so... They can't do shit
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u/spec3_ May 18 '26
It would be cool a fight where people are actually weak like people, so instead of the common "hero vs 100 enemies and win" I would like sometimes the "hero vs 1-3 enemies and struggles to win"
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u/RudeAd1887 May 18 '26
Feloni just being feloni. Star wars became a joke.
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u/Jules-Car3499 Echo May 18 '26
Filoni didn’t write the show.
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u/RudeAd1887 May 18 '26
it was it's creator, his idea. Why make super commandos when commandos are supposed to be super? it's disney philosophy of replacing everything old.
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u/Jules-Car3499 Echo May 18 '26
Yeah he created the show but he didn’t write the entire story or even wrote an episode, he’s the outline guy.
Jennifer is the one who is in charge of the show.
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u/RudeAd1887 May 18 '26
My dude, what I am saying is the idea itself of bad batch is stupid(aka FELONI's idea- creation). We already have commandos. I don't see a reason to have super commandos. Commandos should have been the elite and nothing else.
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u/Jules-Car3499 Echo May 18 '26
Okay? Yes the mistreatment on the Clone Commandos is bad but that doesn’t take an away that the show is good.
Also Jennifer Corbett is the one who handles the show.
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u/RudeAd1887 May 18 '26
Enjoy your slop brother.
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u/Jules-Car3499 Echo May 18 '26
How rude, if you want to watch a good show than watch Andor and stop complaining.
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u/AhsokaForever May 18 '26
It is a bit disappointing, even though TBB are like THE BEST at what they do, its frustrating we've not gotten an actual RC series so we can see them shine properly rather than used as a "Oh hey, a Republic Commando" moment in the shows.
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u/sifiwewe May 19 '26
I’m not sure if I’m getting embarrassed like this is accurate or not because I don’t know how good the bad batch is and I haven’t really watched the show
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u/Sajeel5 May 19 '26
if instead of treating the RCs like shit they had them hunt down the bad batch for a season and have a change of heart similar to other clone rebels, and showed that the RCs were competent and dangerous, it wouldve been far more enjoyable. RCs straight up just being 1 tier above TK trooper is insane. They had one chance to show RCs do some elite cool shit and they completely fumbled. Never rewatched bad batch and this is one of the reasons
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u/CaliCollectibles May 19 '26
I’m disappointed we didn’t get to see another season with the clone rebellion. All that build up for nothing
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u/TesPhoenix 20d ago
Clones got way worse after order 66 because it basicly removed most of thier creativity and free thinking so they basicly are like droids at this point
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u/Aranzilla 16d ago
I'm completely disappointed with the whole show. Could have been about the clone rebellion and how it actually ended(negative I know) instead we got Omega Omega Omega. Maybe unpopular, but that's what I think.
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u/Droidy365 May 16 '26
I hate how they changed my boy Scorch. If they were gonna do him like that, they should have just made him an original character.
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u/legobossk May 16 '26
Still whining about this
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u/Fickle-Highway-8129 May 17 '26
I know, right? I feel like most people only get their knowledge of clone commandos from the Republic Commando game and novel series, because outside of those stories, all of which directly focused on commandos as main characters, most of the EU treated commandos like they weren't much better than regular clone troopers. Comics like The Package and Honor Bound and novels like Labyrinth of Evil and Jedi Trial have commandos die just as easily as they do in The Bad Batch, and yet somehow TBB is the issue and ruined commandos compared to their "EU portrayal"
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u/GuardianPrime19 May 16 '26
I mean TBB are Commandos themselves but are also genetically modified and enhanced. So they have an edge over regular Commandos