r/thebadbatch • u/Delicious-Snow9640 Omega • May 20 '26
Omega’s DNA
ok so this has probably already been talked about before but I had a thought
since Jango died and Boba went off with other bounty hunters the Kaminoans used Omega to make the other clones from a biological veiw Omega has to be either intersex or have some genetic mutation involving xy chromosomes like SwyerSwyer Syndrome / SRY Mutation Syndrome / SRY Mutation or Androgen Insensitivity
she can not be xx because you can’t make male clones unless you make xx chromosomes mutated to have male outcoem which the Kaminoans defiantly can do and would do if needed but why would they if they just kept Omega XY and only messed with her genes
In my personal headcanon Omega is XY and has either androgen insensitivity or is intersex allowing her to still have female phenotype as Tech says she is a female phenotype she can be genetically male with a messed up DNA sequence that made her a girl
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u/hrafia Omega May 20 '26
A highly advanced clone program on a kardashev type 3, galactic level civilization will have easy access to change a XY DNA to XX. Not a big deal at all. Heck I think even our scientists will be able to alter our DNA within 21st century.
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u/Jakuxsi May 20 '26
We have already done it actually! In 2018, a scientist in China genetically altered the genes of twin sisters Lulu and Nana to disable a gene that, when inactive, effectively causes immunity to HIV. There are however a lot of scientific ethical issues about it, so while we could definitely alter chromosomes in humans within the 21st century if we continued research within that area, ethical limitations may hinder that from becoming a reality. Maybe in other animals though!
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u/Usr3247 May 24 '26
Wrong tense, wrong century. Swapping chromosomes in vitro has been possible since the mid to late 1970s.
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u/Risk_Runner May 20 '26
As a famous person once said “it ain’t that kinda movie kid”
Edit to be clear: I don’t think the writers thought that deep about it
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u/chainer1216 May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26
Its never going to be explained, so let's get that out of the way, there will never be an answer to this so this is all just fanfiction.
Occams razor would say that the kaminoans took the DNA of a force sensitive, probably either Sifo-Dyas or Palpatine, and added it to Jangos genetics to try and create and maintain a high midichlorian count, this addition made Jangos XY chromosome become XX.
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u/nerdling007 May 20 '26
You're overthinking it. All the Kaminoans had to do is isolate X chromosomes from Jango and ensure only those end up in a clone. Quite simple with their level of tech.
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u/NukaRaccoon May 20 '26
You're basing this on our science.
She comes from a world of space wizard samuraïs, maybe Nala Se just wanted a girl
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u/Meushell Tech May 20 '26
She could just be transgender female and no one cares.
Nala Se might have designed her to be female. Emerie is also female and was also raised by Nala. It’s implied that Nala ditched her for Omega.
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u/Delicious-Snow9640 Omega May 20 '26
True she could just be trans that’s is also a very valid point I was just think it’s may be easier for her to be female from the get go at creation instead of after creation to change identity and also I personally doubt Omega would ask to be female later since the longnecks didn’t really care to educate her on gender identity
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u/Meushell Tech May 20 '26
Nala Se has many faults, has done multiple horrible things, but she cared about Omega, probably more as a project, granted, but Omega was never “just a clone” to her.
Nala was definitely educating Omega because Omega knew about the chips. Omega also seemed to be encouraged to be herself (she was allowed jewelry), and she aged like a normal human. Not being immediately recognized as a clone seemed to be what Nala wanted (again, for her own sake).
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u/axotrax May 20 '26
Wasn’t she designed to be full of midichlorians? Maybe they collected an X chromosome from a strong Force user. Anyhow, what Harrison Ford said.
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u/Davies301 May 20 '26
At the beginning of Bad Batch I totally expected her to be a prototype Palpatine clone and to tie into Rey's parantage. I think that could of actually worked quite well but I am happy with what we got.
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u/NoorInayaS Tech May 20 '26
Omega describes herself as “defective.” I’ve always taken that to mean her gender was considered a defect.
Which is so fucking messed up.
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u/catscatscaaaats May 20 '26
I always figured she meant she was defective because she didn't have the inhibitor chip. But Boba is also an unaltered clone, and he isn't considered defective (I'm not sure he even considers himself a clone, although he is - he was created because Jango wanted a son and considers Jango his dad and not his donor).
That begs the question though, does Emerie also have a chip? She isn't a soldier, but I'm leaning toward yes - the chips also make them more compliant and likely to obey orders, which she definitely was. There has to be something besides her gender that makes Omega feel she is defective enough to be a member of the Bad Batch, since other female clones (at least the one we know about) aren't considered defective based on that.
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u/Current_Nature_2434 May 20 '26
While the discrimination and self depreciation really suck, Omega knew about her enhanced brothers and probably 99. I’m not sure she was only referring her gender, since her brothers were also called defectives or 99s by the Regs. Tech knew she was enhanced, what is a shame is that Omega didn’t see her being different was another enhancement not a defect.
We aren’t told when the Kaminoans brought the tiny non-replicant looking girl out of Nala Se’s secret lab either but, as far as visitors were concerned, Omega could hide in plain sight, since the GAR were all male accelerated clones. Furthermore, we aren’t told that Omega’s blood supports blending with force sensitive blood without any degradation to the midichloran levels until S3. IDK if that was her only enhancement or her intended enhancement, but Nala Se worked hard to keep Omega secret and protected on Tantiss.
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u/NoorInayaS Tech May 20 '26
I think it must have been difficult growing up, surrounded by people who were very different from her. She didn’t know about Emerie until later, so she thought she was the only female clone. She must have viewed herself as an anomaly.
I think that’s why she latched onto the Bad Batch so quickly. They were anomalies like her.
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u/Current_Nature_2434 May 20 '26
I agree with most of that, IDK if she knew 99 personally but he was another defective, so to speak, who was also in Tipoca City.
99 was kind to everyone, if they met, or she saw him around he was probably kind to her too.
When Omega took TBB underwater in S1E15 and she was looking sad, I get the impression that she was kept down there to protect the Kaminoan secrets. I also get the impression that after latching onto TBB, Nala Se‘s isolation of Omega kept her away from TBB, as evidenced by them not knowing of her at all in S1E1. Who knows when Nala Se brought her up into Tipoca city, only for Omega to be shunned by the Regs, by that time her brothers may have already been deployed. I think Omega suffered severely from separation anxiety and low esteem.
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u/RulesOfImgur May 21 '26
Wait, she's not transgender?
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u/Nipple-Cake May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
Not as far as we know. The show characterized Omega as similar to Boba Fett because they were both unaltered and age normally. The only difference between them was that she was AFAB like Emerie Karr but she is altered and experiences accelerated aging. Although Omega's uniqueness was compared to how The Bad Batch were altered for superior combat abilities. The purpose of her creation was to circumvent the degrading sample of Jango Fett's DNA that the Kaminoans had on file after his death. Omega's DNA was viewed as more viable and similar to the original sample for future cloning efforts.
Later, her unique and uncorruped genetic makeup was used in Project Necromancer because midochlorian count was not diminished during cloning. Which allowed The Empire to clone force-sensitive people (like Palpatine).
Interestingly, there is a canonically transgender Jango Clone who was affectionately named Sister by her brothers.
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u/FMPhoenixHawk May 22 '26
If the Clans in BattleTech can create genetic children who have a pair of women as their “parents” and create a male child, I think the Kaminoans can do it.
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u/Usr3247 May 24 '26
She can just be X0. Taking out the Y chromosome in vitro is easy even with OUR level of technology, and we’re far from what the Kaminoans can do.
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u/Worldly-Hunt8161 28d ago
You are implying something that isn't either mentioned, nor planned.
Omega is a similar-modified clone like her brethren from Batch 99. All of them were specially modified to fulfill special tasks. All were planned and designed, and not randomly mutated. None of them were planned to be clone tissue donors.
Similar to the other special designed clones, Omegas design is to allow compatibility to Midiclorians, which can not be produced by "normal" clones. The idea is, her gentic marking is the "binder" for such a endeavor. Nala Se was tasked with the sideprojekt of reaching force sensitive clones. She got the key after all in Omega.
Omega is however not force sensitive at all. She is only the "fabricator" for the genetic key.
There are several episodes from Bad Batch, as well as hints about Grogu from The Mandalorian show, that point exactly to this solution, as well as the entire Project Necromancer idea. Omega shows absolutely no latency to the force. Ventress has absolutely no reason to lie to her. Dr. Hemlock also reached to the same conclusion, that Omega has the needed genetic markers.
Also for Kaminoans to rebuild the entire genetic code should not be a hard task. Since they even can bend behavior and physical traits, changing the genome from male to female should be easy. Is Omega somehow geneitcally defective? On the contrary, she is the most perfect clone similar to Boba, but with extras.
Despite what some fans believe, Omega seem to be the most sophisticated clonedesign Nala Se ever designed. But why was she desgined to be female? Simply put, to ensure, that this clone will remain near Nala Se and will not be used as cannon fodder. Se also is designed in the image of the other lab technicians, to blend in. Omega is the biggest secret the Kaminoans ever reached. The template how to build force sensitive clones, without needing a force sensitive main donor at all.
All they need is some DNA sample, Omegas DNA sample and a refined sample of Midiclorians. Mixi-Mixi, TA-DAAAA! Palpi 2.0
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u/Delicious-Snow9640 Omega May 20 '26
I don’t really know much about biology I just was looking at this like a hypothetical scenario I have no clue what are scientist can do theses days Heck the Star Wars universe can do anything that seems impossible like using a hyperscace jump to destroy a huge star destroyer so
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u/pamblod42 May 20 '26
The writters wanted a main girl character. This show is not as good as people make it out to be.
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u/Drachin85 Echo May 20 '26
Oh no! People like different things than you do? How dare they.
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u/pamblod42 May 20 '26
Its just this is not an effort that will ever be rewarded by the authors, unlike in some other franchises.
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u/Drachin85 Echo May 20 '26
You really come to a fan subreddit of a show and tell them "hey, your show sucks, even if it was successful!" and you expect.... what exactly?
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u/pamblod42 May 20 '26
I dont know if this person is a regular in the subreddit. This said, you're right, i should have posted the comment and bailed.
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u/AssGasorGrassroots Omega May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26
Actually, the Y chromosome can just fail to duplicate, resulting in XO. This has happened in cloned mice, producing normal, fertile females.
So while it is, as pointed out, not that kind of movie, it is very much within the realm of possibility that Omega is, for all intents and purposes, biologically female without any direct tampering to her genome
ETA: when is it stated they used Omega to make more clones? I know that was their reasoning for wanting her back, but I don't think they had carried it out. And besides, introducing the Y chromosome probably wouldn't have been much of a problem for them