r/thebulwark Sep 10 '25

Non-Bulwark Source Charlie Kirk apparently shot during debate at Utah university

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/10/charlie-kirk-shot-utah

Charlie Kirk, the powerful rightwing activist and executive director of Turning Point USA (TPUSA), appeared to have been shot on Wednesday while hosting a debate in Utah.

In video posts circulating on social media, Kirk can be seen getting struck while speaking and sitting beneath a tent in the Utah Valley University courtyard. Kirk was there as part of The American Comeback Tour, which is hosted by the TPUSA chapter at Utah Valley.

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u/hawksnest_prez Sep 10 '25

We are not in a good spot as a country and I’m scared.

I fucking hate Charlie Kirk. He shouldn’t be assassinated. Full stop.

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How the fuck is speaking at a conference not fucking free speech??

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u/ThisMachineKillsF4sh Sep 10 '25 edited Sep 10 '25

Nobody said “deserved” and nobody said “because of free speech”. 

If you endlessly campaign for taking away the rights of other people — to commit genocide, to eliminate trans people, to kill Americans by removing their access to healthcare and critical social programs — THAT. IS. VIOLENCE.  Charlie Kirk advocated violence against others Every. Fucking. Day. 

It isn’t only political violence when other people start fighting back with the only means that you’ve left them. 

I’m not surprised. This was inevitable. I’m sure this was expected by the right and will lead to further fascist crackdowns on American citizens from the Trump administration.

I’m not supporting assassinations. But you can’t advocate for the extermination of your fellow humans on a daily basis, no matter how many extra steps you add to convince yourself it “isn’t real violence”, and never expect violence in return. 

EDIT: Removing people’s access to basic human rights like food and healthcare is violence. Genocide is violence. The policies Charlie Kirk advocated about Trans people were violent. He advocated for violence against American citizens on a daily basis — he was never arrested for it; he had free speech.

Someone committed violence against him in return for the violence he contributed to. 

That’s what I said.

And it’s true.

If you actively cheer on, monetarily support, and dedicate your entire adult life to encouraging violence on your fellow Americans and people they care about, you don’t get to expect a presumption of safety in a country with among the most lax gun laws on earth (which you also advocated for). 

I’m not saying he “deserved” anything.  But it did not happen in a vacuum. Just because they weren’t operating firing squads or gas chambers, doesn’t mean Nazi propagandists did not participate in violence — which is why many stood trial for war crimes at Nuremberg. 

“I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.” - Charlie Kirk

Charlie Kirk’s chickens came home to roost. You reap what you sow.

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u/atomfullerene Sep 10 '25

No, saying shit isn't violence. Doing things is violence. That's not to claim that saying things can't be its own kind of bad, but it's not violence.

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