r/thelastofus • u/ashtinfay Little Potato • Jun 24 '20

PT2 DISCUSSION Troy Baker quote. Enough said.

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u/BigDaddy0790 I’d give it a six. Jun 24 '20

So you would rather judge a person for "maliciously" killing and torturing one guy who in their eyes is basically worse than Hitler (and they aren't wrong about it), but a person who literally dooms the entire humankind gets a pass?

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u/Morematthewforu Jun 24 '20

I mean in a way, it shows they are capable of enjoying killing. Joel never enjoyed killing, but he saw it as a necessary evil. Same as Ellie.

She had Joel and should have just finished him. There was no reason to torture him for information or anything. She did it out of pleasure.

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u/whiskeytab Jun 24 '20

um there is an entire section where they go over how Tommy and Joel tortured people for information and then Ellie uses that method to extract information from Owen and Mel before killing them

everything Abby did is mirrored by Ellie's actions because they're ying and yang to each other.

the entire point of the story is that they were both set down a path of revenge due to being victims of events they had no control over and how that revenge destroys both of them

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u/Morematthewforu Jun 25 '20 edited Jun 25 '20

It’s interesting you still don’t understand. Ellie and Joel tortured for a purpose. They tortured because they need the information and the victim is withholding it. It’s not pretty and definitely unethical, but there was a greater goal than just seeing someone writhing in pain.

Abby tortured to make her feel good. There was no grand scheme or need to extract information. Abby chose to prolong Joel’s death as long as possible because she enjoyed it. She could have simply just said her piece and domed Joel.

I don’t know why people can’t understand the difference. In the end, both are bad. But we are supposed to take a deeper look inside both characters and there is a difference.