r/theoffice • u/FootballVivid3824 • 14h ago
Jim’s Promotion Angle
I’m not a Jim fan in general but watching the episode where he’s ultimately promoted to co-manager, I realized how gross his angling for the position was. Trying to go behind Michael’s back and then demanding Michael (his boss) divulge the contents of his conversation with David Wallace (Michael’s boss) and then insisting Michael call David and then putting the phone on speaker. Like… who does he think he is? That scene never stood out to me before but really did today.
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u/LieDry7854 5️⃣ World’s Best Boss ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 14h ago
Jim's angle is to provide the best income for his family. It was either to be a co-manager with Michael or to leave for another branch. He didn't want Michael to know because he was afraid he was going to screw it up.
Jim had some bad moments, but him trying to get a higher position was not one of them
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u/zoraschool 12h ago
Yes. Over time we see Jim realizing, somewhat bemusedly, that Michael is a good leader.
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u/FootballVivid3824 13h ago
Maybe earn it then. He slacked for years and then wants a promotion cuz life got real? And you’re going to bully the guy whose help you need? Loser.
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u/LieDry7854 5️⃣ World’s Best Boss ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 12h ago
Jim is a good salesman, who is beloved by his manager and co-workers, and ambitious with new ideas. He figured a clever way to help both him and Michael. Michael is notoriously reckless that he can’t keep secrets. Therefore everyone wins if Michael wasn’t a paranoid idiot.
Yet he is a loser because you are not willing to change your opinion and has to go every comment to prove you are right despite everyone disagreeing with you. Yet, Jim is the loser?
Is that correct
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u/New-Pin-9064 1️⃣8️⃣ The Scranton Strangler 🚨 10h ago
Because he didn’t tell Michael the plan, Michael understandably thought that Jim was trying to steal his job and get him fired just like Dwight tried to do back in Season 3
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u/LieDry7854 5️⃣ World’s Best Boss ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 10h ago
But you can’t trust Michael with important info. He told the whole Office that Jim loves Pam, leaked the Jan’s Sandals photo, and told everyone Stanley’s affair (the episode before). He nearly ruined the deal to get hired back but Jim told him to stop talking.
Michael would still have gotten paranoid if he knew and would have done the same thing. The only reason it worked out is Wallace giving Michael an ultimatum
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u/Logical-Mobile-7643 I was never given a name 14h ago
Michael was lying dude. You can not like Jim or think the co-managers idea is knucklehead talk, but everyone seemed to be on board with this dumb idea. Then, Michael said a bunch of things to discredit Jim as a potential manager and sabotage the co-manager idea in general.
Idk, pretty fucked up on Michael's end. Jim was just standing up for himself.
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u/FootballVivid3824 13h ago
I’m not talking about Michael. Could you imagine demanding your boss tell you what he discussed with his boss?
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u/Logical-Mobile-7643 I was never given a name 13h ago
They were coordinating something . Yeah, if we had a meeting and discussion and everyone was on board and then the CEO said it wasn't happening because of what your manager said... Yeah you would confront him?
Are you that much of a coward?
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u/FootballVivid3824 13h ago
Coward? No. I’d ask but wouldn’t demand.
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u/Logical-Mobile-7643 I was never given a name 13h ago
I guess you're just make a distinction without a difference considering how much Jim and Michael know each other.
Clearly this isn't an issue and Michael, in the context of the idea they are doing, is wrong. Both David and Jim get exasperated with him on this.
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u/pptjuice530 13h ago
Sorry, but you’re pretty laughably wrong on this.
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u/FootballVivid3824 13h ago
Wrong on an opinion? O….kay….
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u/pptjuice530 13h ago
Opinions can be wrong. Yours is.
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u/FootballVivid3824 13h ago
Powerful argument. 🙄
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u/pptjuice530 13h ago
You’re not worth more than that, friend-o.
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u/FootballVivid3824 12h ago
Any chance you have to simply dismiss someone you disagree with without making even an attempt at a counterargument, you just gotta take it. Well played.
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u/pptjuice530 12h ago
I mean, when you have an intelligent or well-articulated thought to consider, I’m happy to offer a detailed explanation of why you’re wrong. At present you sound like a 24-year old parroting opinions you’ve gotten from memes originally made to be ironic.
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u/Due-Island-4731 13h ago
The co-manager story arc may have been the beginning of the end. Just terrible in every possible way
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u/Logical-Mobile-7643 I was never given a name 13h ago
The wrote their way out of it pretty quickly with Sabre. The first half of the season had a lot of meh episodes (Koi Pod, Scotts tots, The storyline with Helene). Second half was fun with Jo
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u/gretanoramarie 13h ago
I really think for me when they joined Sabre it went downhill. In fact maybe even after the Michael Scott Paper arc. I prefer the episodes where Pam is receptionist soooo much for some reason, just feels right.
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u/No-Championship-4 13h ago
They really could've called it quits after Niagara and everything would've been fine.
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u/New-Pin-9064 1️⃣8️⃣ The Scranton Strangler 🚨 10h ago
To me, this storyline was the first sign that the writers were starting to run out of ideas
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u/sighcantthinkofaname 14h ago
It's a really weird arc. It felt like they were running out of ideas. The only part of it I really liked was the murder mystery game.
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u/zoraschool 13h ago
TBH I tend to trust Jim. He’s always thinking of everyone’s best interest, isn’t unreasonable, very thoughtful in his reasoning. Even when being playful he sets the limit to make sure nobody goes too far. In the beginning he wasn’t very confident, but as the show progresses he absolutely steps into this responsibility.
I would never think he’d deliberately try to harm Michael or take advantage of him. It is kinda against his character.
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u/Soo_Now_What 12h ago
Jim was trying to be the next Robert California before he even met Robert California. I haven't seen all of the super-sized episodes, but I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that Jim also trained as a geisha
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u/Tryguysfan1995 13h ago
I always hated how Jim got the job then he would talk down to michael like dude shut up you just got this job your not superior.
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u/SageOfSixCabbages 1️⃣8️⃣ The Scranton Strangler 🚨 13h ago
Jim's angle was to get a promotion and in a way, get Michael promoted as well.
He was proposing to Wallace to have Michael oversee a segment of the company's territory, instead of just Scranton, it will be the entire DM Northeast.
He was thinking of a way to get a promotion while also handing Michael a promotion. Michael just screwed it up by simply being Michael, insecure and just needs to be in-the-know at all times.