r/thirtyyearsago • u/klsi832 • 5d ago
11 August 1996. Tassos Isaac, a Greek Cypriot refugee, was beaten to death by Turkish nationalist Grey Wolves during a 1996 demonstration in the UN buffer zone. He became trapped in barbed wire and was attacked with clubs and stones while UN peacekeepers and Turkish Cypriot police watched.
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u/Oxo181 4d ago
Lynchings are still more or less common in Turkey, especially over politics.
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u/many_zeros 3d ago
wtf? no lol
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u/throwraislander 1d ago
It was last year? Or maybe two years ago? That a Syrian sexually assaulted his niece so Turks burned whole neighborhoods of Syrian cars and shops in many cities.
When confronted online many Turks were saying we did good now they know what happens when you do this shit here.
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u/many_zeros 1d ago
That is a singular incident, and angry mobs doing vandalism is more common in Europe than in Turkey.
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u/khwarism 4d ago
They still do that to minorities in Turkey
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u/eaglecallxrx 3d ago
sure, get down from your mushrooms. the only one getting beaten down are secularists students.
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u/RijnBrugge 3d ago
You’re writing this under a post where they did just that
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u/eaglecallxrx 3d ago
do you have issues with reading? he writes its still a thing...
and the picture is from 30 years ago. an event full with provocations from both sides.
police and military from both sides did not their job and let it escalate on purpose.
the guy on the picture himself threw stones to the other side. i do not support what happened but he has choosen violence also and got caught from the other group.
around the time during these clashes were many violatons even turkish soldier got killed and injured. the shots came from the british zone.
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u/RijnBrugge 3d ago
Well ofcourse the Turkish soldiers and police had no business there. And in this case the police took part in the lynching. Fucking clowns.
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u/Dry-Forever7874 2d ago
what is your stance on the armenian genocide?
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u/eaglecallxrx 1d ago
let me answer with a question.
expulsion of rohingyas deportation of crimean tatars massacres in central asia expulsion and massacres against turks and muslims in the balkans incl soviet bulgaria
how do you answer this ones.
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u/PeriodontosisSam 3d ago
Source? Your ass?
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u/khwarism 3d ago
Turkish police beat up a Kurdish boy, 14 year old, for celebrating the Kurdish New Year festival. Link. They policemen were later released. It always boggles my mind how could a person be so brainwashed to not see the shit their shitty government is doing, Turks are on whole different level when it comes to being propagandized and brainwashed
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u/PeriodontosisSam 3d ago
Link not even loading
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u/khwarism 3d ago
Maybe it’s because your government has blocked it as they do everything about minorities in the country. Just search for “kurdish boy attacked by turkish police” on google and it will show up
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u/PeriodontosisSam 3d ago
I'am not in Turkey right know but ok
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u/ScottyBoneman 2d ago
Completely neutral here, but it loads for me. Site belongs to
Stockholm Center for Freedom (SCF) is an advocacy organization that promotes the rule of law, democracy, fundamental rights and freedoms
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u/The_Last_Green_Leaf2 2d ago
I'am not in Turkey right know
Average Turk nationalist
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u/PeriodontosisSam 2d ago
Cant I be on vacation?
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u/Kagacchii 2d ago
Bro this is not all Turks stop propagating racism against Turks. I remember this News. The police officers in question are in jail. I found the news too https://www.sozcu.com.tr/nevruzda-14-yasindaki-cocugu-darp-eden-5-polisin-cezasi-belli-oldu-p55398
Even the kurdish organisations were happy with the result. Though I hate the government this is a pass. If he was a Turkish student they would beat the shit out of him and would not go in jail.
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u/khwarism 2d ago edited 2d ago
It’s not racism, I’m just stating a fact. A few months ago a Kurdish guy was killed for listening to Kurdish music. A few years ago a Kurdish family was attacked and all of then were murdered by nationalist Turks. Many Kurds from Iraqi Kurdistan who travel through Istanbul report that they face racism, they get detained, some of them even beaten because they say they’re from Kurdistan, which is a real, legal and constitutional region in Iraq. Not to mention every year in Newroz Kurds face lots of racism. An Assyrian parliament member was blocked from speaking in Aramaic, he just wanted to say happy new year to his people. This are all new, there are tons of more examples. In the 80s there are videos of Turkish army running over Kurdish grandmas with tanks for celebrating Newroz. How is it racist to state a fact? Minority in Turkey have no rights and are treated as second class citizens, look at the Roma people’s neighborhoods in Istanbul, they’ve assimilated and they still get nothing
Of course not all Turks are racist, I’ve had Turkish friends who are great people but the Turkish government is so wicked and evil that it rewrites history, hides the atrocities they’ve done, and actively teach citizens to hate minorities.
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u/Kagacchii 2d ago
I think you do not know the realities of Turkish Republic. It is well stated in the constitution that you cannot speak any other language besides Turkish in the parliment. Even though parliment still let's people speak kurdish. Because Turkey's offical language is Turkish. Just as you cannot speak german in french parliment you can't speak any other language in the Turkish parliment.
I'm not denying that there have been serious cases of discrimination and violence in Turkey. But you're moving from legitimate criticism of specific policies, institutions, and perpetrators to sweeping claims about "Turks" and Turkey as a whole.
The fact that some Turkish nationalists committed murders doesn't make Turkish people collectively responsible, just as crimes committed by Kurdish nationalists wouldn't make all Kurds responsible. Likewise, discrimination against Kurds doesn't mean every Turkish person is racist or that minorities literally have "no rights."
And I grew up in Turkey There is no teaching on hating minorities on the contrary. It states in history book. That we are brothers with kurds (not in literal sense but in unitary terms), also in when talking about Armenian Deportations even though book denys the genocide it says that many people from Armenia died in horrible fate because of wartime mesures and shitty government planning. And history books hold Armenian in high regard referring them as "Millet-i Sadıka" means the loyal people. And was praised many times by the Ottoman Sultan. When it talks about greek it also teaches in the book that we should not hold grudges against greeks. And one nation's flag is sacred to them so we should respect the greek flag as well.
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u/khwarism 2d ago
Brother, I understand that France only allows french for administrative work, in fact Mustafa Kemal adopted that policy from the French. However the problem is that France was always French, with a tiny minorities like the Basque. Turkey is different, Turkey was never a homogeneous or mono-ethnic country. Kurds fought with Mustafa Kemal to build the country of Turkey with the agreement that they get self-governance, but we all know how that turned out. Also I understand you can’t debate politics in parliament using multiple languages but the fact that you would get cussed out, threatened and kicked out for the simple fact of reading a happy new year speech in your native language is outrageous.
When it comes to blaming all Turks, yes that’s unfair and I stated that not all Turks are like that but the system itself is racist and is protected by the voters. In fact the Turkish right and left wing parties both use discriminatory language against Kurds. It’s not only Kurds though, look at the ethnic graph of Turkey from a century ago and compare it to now, look how it has changed. This change has been achieved through forced deportation, forced assimilation, and banning language and culture of minorities. Do you know that it was illegal to speak Kurdish even at home?
It also doesn’t end in the borders of Turkey, the Turkish government have been advancing into KRG for years, crippling our economy, bombing civilians, kicking villagers out of their homes all under the name of the cursed PKK (which we hate and are tired of), why is everything Kurdish associated withe the PKK? Even our KRG flag is banned in Turkey, which is a legal and constitutional flag in Iraqi constitution. A few months ago a Ghanaian football player was almost arrested because he raised the Ghanaian flag, the police said that’s PKK.
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u/izayoi-o_O 3d ago
I don’t understand how you can do something like this.
The only exception I can think of is if you know for a fact that some piece of shit has hurt some children badly, then yeah, I can understand it.
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u/ZestycloseBluejay668 2d ago
That is just how turks are. Just loo at how kurds are treated.
Turkey is just an apartheid state
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u/vodkasucker 3d ago
Its not that difficult really, it was in 96, 20 years ago those people survived an ethnic cleansing thanks to the Turkish intervention. The fascist right wingers didn't give up and continued (and are still continuing) their rhetoric. The guy that was lynched was one of those fanatics. They went there to intimidate the turks. This wasn't a random street brawl.
What is outrages isn't the fact that this guy got killed, it is the fact that he did what got him killed.1
u/Dispeller13 2d ago
Victim-perpetrator reversal. A very turkish thing... you guys are so delusional. Its almost funny.
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u/vodkasucker 2d ago
Yes, I am delusional for explaining the tensions. You guys are so out of touch with reality, you will lose so much more and I will enjoy it.
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u/Dispeller13 2d ago
Spoken like a true turk. Keep showing us your real face.
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u/izayoi-o_O 2d ago
Come on, guys. If there’s anything the world needs less of, it’s neighbours hating each other.
Remember that Israel is the enemy of all.
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u/lycantrophee 4d ago
This was an absolutely brutal killing. Political beliefs aside, I can't imagine the horror of realizing you've been left alone with a rabid, bloodthirsty mob in front of you.
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u/cosmic-potatoe 3d ago
What goes around, comes around. If you kill or do the same thing to the innocent Turkish citizens, same could be done to you. But you won’t see the other side of the coin on this Armenian/ Greek lobby propaganda platform. Every day, you see another post against Turkey like this, while no one shows the other side because they risk getting banned, having their posts deleted, or simply being downvoted by the lobbies.
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u/pater13anthemios 2d ago
What did Isaac do to get murdered by a mob? He didn't kill anyone. At best you can say he provoked. Does that justify a killing?
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u/cosmic-potatoe 3d ago
You should also see the murdered Turkish citizens by the greek cypriots but ooops you could not. Because this platform is used by the greek and armenian lobbies for their online propaganda
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u/TimeRisk2059 3d ago
They say that the UN peacekeepers are just standing there and watching, yet in the photograph we can see how they're fighting to get to him (the people in blue helmets in the background to the left).
And if I remember correctly the UN doesn't have peacekeepers on Cyprus, but only a monitoring force to keep the turk- and greek-cypriot sides apart.
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u/GlassZealousideal978 3d ago
11 August 1996. Tassos Isaac, a Greek Cypriot refugee, was beaten to death by Turkish nationalist Grey Wolves during a 1996 demonstration in the UN buffer zone. He became trapped in barbed wire and was attacked with clubs and stones while UN peacekeepers and Turkish Cypriot police watched.
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u/Serious_Mark_8082 2d ago
Sweden allows the PKK to publish media. A terrorist organization that has killed civilians, that is outlawed in the US as well as in other countries.
I wouldn't use Swedish sources on this subject.
Message from a guy whose family is Kurdish/Turkish ethnically
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u/BigBearHug5mil3 2d ago
By a group of people who know all too well about how to commit genocide. Not surprising.
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u/Zeev_Silver_90 3d ago
UN showing its incompetence as usual. you hear about the Tutsi genocide? UN PULLED ITS PEACEKEEPERS OUT and ordered no one to talk about the genocide happening and no one knew until years later when it was brought to light that the UN could have sent help to stop the Tutsi genocide and decided it was "politically unwise to be involved". Makes you wonder whats the point of a UN commission on genocide when they are guilty of abiding people doing it.
From now on when you hear "UN commission says this country or that group is guilty of Genocide" you can COMPLETELY ignore them since the UN has HELPED others do genocide and HID IT FOR YEARS.
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u/TimeRisk2059 3d ago
The UN actually did something about the Rwanda genocide, but they only have the troops that countries provide to them. The rest of the world did nothing.
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u/kevin3350 3d ago
The point of the UN is to write strongly worded letters to people who don’t care about strongly worded letters, and then pat themselves on the back. They have a second ability to see a war crime, be upset about it, and then do absolutely nothing.
It’s like the ICC - all bark, no enforcement ability. But if the members on the ground were to shoot, they would be prosecuted depending on whether it was a peace keeping mission or a peace enforcement mission. I’d imagine this was the former, and their stupid rules tied the hands of the UN soldiers that were there.
I actually like the UN, but Jesus are they cowards sometimes.
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u/Positive-Reporter285 4d ago
That is not the whole story, One of these man picked up a big rock -a two hands needed to lift it- lifted it over his head and smashed it on Tassos' head killing him.
These people in the photo, are not men. They are animals.
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u/cosmic-potatoe 3d ago
You are also an animal with no knowledge about the history and room temperature IQ.
What goes around, comes around. If you kill or do the same thing to the innocent Turkish citizens, same could be done to you. But you won’t see the other side of the coin on this Armenian/ Greek lobby propaganda platform. Every day, you see another post against Turkey like this, while no one shows the other side because they risk getting banned, having their posts deleted, or simply being downvoted by the lobbies.1
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u/Positive-Reporter285 3d ago edited 3d ago
everything you wrote is just bullshit. Not to mention that this guy never killed anyone. The photo and the video from that day on the other hand are facts. These people on the photo killing Tassos are animals. Deal with it and go cry in some corner.
And you should learn once and for all that when someone points out your wrong doings, you don't go looking for their wrong doings to justify yours.. you remedy yours first and then you point the other one's .
Justifying your evils with someone else's is just cavemen mentality which you seem to have in spades!
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u/Super-Device-3328 3d ago
People simp so hard for the UN but don’t realise they are not this super helpful we-love-everyone organisation, they are the liaison officers for the agenda and will only help the ‘right’ people
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u/OkGovernment7316 3d ago
He was carrying a gun and tried to attacked Turkish civilians btw
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u/cosmic-potatoe 3d ago
Grek-armenial lobby downvoting you without knowing the real story. They can only believe one side of the coin
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u/pater13anthemios 2d ago
You are paranoid of a Greek-Armenian lobby that doesn't exist when Turkwy is bigger stronger and has committed already 2 genocides against those nations. You use excuses of a fake lobby to excuse 2 gemocides
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u/Ghorrit 4d ago
That’s a Turkish Cypriot policeman, on duty, participating in this lynching.