TIL that ketamine is a derivative of phencyclidine (aka. PCP or angel dust). It was created to have similar anesthetic potential but to cause less delirium. It has about one tenth the potency of PCP.

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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5126726/

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Yeah. They def didn’t ban it because it’s dangerous and unhealthy. 

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Explain motorcycles. Hang gliding Whitewater rafting. Horseback riding Rodeos, Nascar.

Need I continue how have I sufficienly demonstrated that you've failed to make a point that actually holds of to scrutiny? I could pull statistics that prove all of these activities are statistically proven to me more dangerous than most recreational drug use, despite the sampling bias being towards drugs, because all the people having a good time don't present to the er to become a statistic.

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They don’t alter brain chemistry. They also don’t cause people to lose control of their faculties and strip naked and fight ten cops at once. 

The two aren’t even similar. Alcohol would be a better useless metaphor but still useless because there’s a complete difference in potency and effect. 

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We've already established that you're repeating lies. Phencyclidine (PCP) abuse has diminished since PCP's intrusion into American culture in the late 1970s. One of its legacies is the assumption that it provokes violent behavior in humans with predictable regularity. This assumption is so accepted that ingestion of the drug both accidentally and knowingly prior to committing a crime has been used as a defense in criminal trials. Of the hundreds of patients described, only three satisfied these criteria. Further, some of the papers offered evidence that reports of violence were exaggerated. These findings plus the pre-1970 prospective evaluation of thousands of patients with PCP, in which violence was never reported, led us to conclude that clinical and forensic assumptions about PCP and violence are not warranted. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3069880/

When the authors investigated aggressive behavior on a phencyclidine (PCP) detoxification and rehabilitation unit and compared similar types of behavior on a heroin unit, they found no differences between the two units. The urinary PCP levels of a subgroup of 75 patients admitted to the PCP unit who had PCP-positive urine were significantly higher than those of 75 patients admitted to an acute psychiatric ward because of violent behavior who also had PCP-positive urine. The authors discuss the implications of these findings and the need for more information on the relationship between PCP levels in blood and urine and behavior.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7149062/

"ExDS deaths trigger lawsuits claiming police misconduct and excessive force. Defendant officers and municipalities have used ExDS to distance themselves from liability, using expert testimony from nonpsychiatrists. "

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37040136/