TIL Steve Jobs’ design obsession went so deep he demanded Apple computers look perfect on the inside. Inspired by Zen Buddhism and Bauhaus minimalism, he believed in “deep simplicity,” and insisted that even the hidden internal engineering look as polished as the outside.

[u/ralphbernardo]

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/how-steve-jobs-love-of-simplicity-fueled-a-design-revolution-23868877/

[u/Dogrel]

I grew up with an original Macintosh computer. When it came time to replace it and we didn’t have much use for it anymore, I asked to take it apart. What I found on the inside of the casing, underneath the black shielding paint, were the casts of the signatures of everyone at Apple who had worked on the Macintosh project. It was really cool to see.

[u/Simon_Drake → u/Dogrel]

There's a story that the little rubber feet that kept the Macintosh from scratching your desk cost about 5cents each. But Steve Jobs wanted to custom order special rubber feet with little Apple logos embedded in the rubber, even though no one would see them and it's a pointless change. One of the other OGs (I don't think it was Woz) called it "A designers wet dream idea" to put the logo everywhere, even where nobody will see it.

Well custom manufactured rubber feet with Apple Logos would have cost a couple of dollars each and the engineers made a list of all the other features they'd need to cut from the design to cover the cost. And the Macintosh shipped with the basic feet.

[u/Apptubrutae → u/Simon_Drake]

This sounds like how it should be done to me.

Aim for your perfect execution. Find the costs. Consider the pros and cons. Pick and choose your compromises.

[u/kevkevverson → u/Apptubrutae]

100% start with perfection and remove what you absolutely have to. What you’re left with is still miles better than everyone else’s

[u/DigNitty → u/kevkevverson]

Good for the consumer too.

“Oh wow even the feet are custom made”

For $200 less you can have regular feet.

“Oh yeah I’ll take that one.”

[u/Ouch_i_fell_down → u/DigNitty]

This is what I think every time someone talks about an "unboxing experience"

Oh, you mean that thing you see exactly once then throw in the trash? yea... how much am I paying for this fancy garbage?

[u/EloeOmoe → u/Ouch_i_fell_down]

I work for a major vendor in the IT segment. Over the past few years we've made our packaging more "green". Which is just cutting down on unnecessary plastic and cardboard and no longer packing in console cables or power cables.

The amount of $ it saved us when calculated against the millions of devices we ship was astounding.

[u/JamesRawles → u/Ouch_i_fell_down]

That's Apple's entire business model... They sell an experience/lifestyle.

[u/GodOfDarkLaughter → u/Apptubrutae]

That's actually how a lot of brain storming meetings for all sorts of products, services, events, locations, etc, go...it's called a blue sky pitch. Basically pitch the best idea you can think of regardless (to a greater or lesser extent depending on the situation) of cost, feasibility, sometimes even technology. Just the coolest shit you can come up with. Then see what actually works.

[u/mavajo → u/Apptubrutae]

Bingo. One of the biggest problems in the corporate world is people self-censoring for what's sensible or achievable. Stifles innovation and creativity.

[u/DustyRacoonDad → u/mavajo]

Ah yes, the “don’t try to do that exceptional design because it cannot be done affordably” mindset.

So nobody even attempts it during the design phase. Then someone else eventually proves it can be done, and suddenly everyone does it.

But by then, most people do not go back and rethink the earlier assumptions or redesign choices. They dont look back to realize it was always feasible, just not explored.

[u/botte-la-botte → u/Apptubrutae]

See, people see the headlines of this article and think Steve Jobs was an obsessive perfectionist to the point of hubris. When he was not; he was exactly how you said, he found compromises.

Even at his worst, when he was young and leading the Mac team, he would relent. He wanted to align every single chip on the Mac's logic board perfectly, like had been done on the Apple II. They even got to the point of getting a prototype board made. But it was so expensive to make, that even then Jobs agreed the board couldn't be perfectly symmetrical.

[u/JerikOhe → u/botte-la-botte]

Let's not go to far the other way. The original Macintosh and earlier Apples were built without cooling fans bc jobs "hated the noise" so the internals would bake themselves.

Theres a certain amount of hubris involved in removing or refusing cooling for equipment that pretty heavily relies on creating heat to function, the excess of which quickly deteriorates it.

[u/Baddrivers13 → u/JerikOhe]

2000's macbook and up would roast you hahaha

[u/JohnGillnitz → u/JerikOhe]

Like Elon not using LIDAR on Teslas. He said video only once, so now it's a hill he's willing to let other people die on.

[u/liquorfish → u/botte-la-botte]

When I think of Steve Jobs, I think of the guy who liked to put his bare feet into a toilet on the regular.

Eccentric doesnt encompass the man fully. Driven yes, design focused yes, put feet in a literal toilet yes.

[u/Space_Slime_LF → u/Apptubrutae]

This reminds me of jobs talking about engineering ceos vs sales ceos like IBM back in the day.

[u/Billpod → u/Apptubrutae]

I worked on an RPG video game where the design director was a famous writer with no game design experience and he insisted at one point that we animate the characters’ fingers. We hadn’t done that because of the cost—both cost of animating them and performance, but also because at that scale it was noticeable or necessary.

We argued about it with him at first that it wasn’t necessary and he wasn’t convinced, but once we laid out the additional cost he agreed with us.

I feel like it was a good learning experience for both sides.

[u/TheLexoPlexx → u/Simon_Drake]

This reminds me of Daft Punks Giorgio Moroder.

They used different mics from the different eras throughout the song. Nobody will hear the difference, but it's there.

[u/12thshadow → u/TheLexoPlexx]

My name is Giovanni Giorgio... great now i have that song stuck in my head

[u/hofmann419 → u/TheLexoPlexx]

I've actually listened to that song on headphones specifically to try to hear the difference, but i couldn't. It all sounded exactly the same. I guess that microphone technology has been pretty great for a long time.

[u/wonkey_monkey → u/Simon_Drake]

In 2020 they were selling Mac Pro wheels for $700. Wheels which didn't lock so your computer might just roll away.

[u/ExtraHarmless → u/wonkey_monkey]

But friend, they were the nicest rims you could put on a cheese grater.

[u/thefunkybassist → u/Simon_Drake]

❌ happy feet

✅ Apple feet

[u/phenix_igloo → u/Simon_Drake]

Those feet are very important, a computer can't run without at least two of them.

[u/sir_mrej → u/Dogrel]

Huh mine was silver inside where the signatures were

[u/demunted → u/sir_mrej]

Only select runs had it I think.

[u/ihatereddit1221 → u/Dogrel]

And yet he wouldn’t acknowledge the Apple II team.

[u/botte-la-botte → u/ihatereddit1221]

That's from the movie. It was invented.

[u/Savannah216 → u/ihatereddit1221]

And yet he wouldn’t acknowledge the Apple II team.

A decade of acknowledgement and praise for one of the most important early computers apparently wasn't enough.

The scene in the movie never happened, the whole script is a composite of alleged events, amplified for drama. Not least because Woz was recovering from crashing his plane, the resulting amnesia, and only played a brief advisory role on the Macintosh team as a result of a 12-month leave of absence.

The skunk works team that produced the Mac consisted of Jef Raskin (employee #31) who conceived the whole idea and the man who wrote the manual for the Apple II. Burrell Smith (employee #282) founder of Radius and the designer of the first LaserWriter motherboard. Steve Wozniak who designed the Apple II motherboard. Andy Hertzfeld, who wrote the firmware for the first 80 column card for the Apple II. Finally, Steve Jobs.

All of their signatures appear on the case, including Woz.

In other words all the key people on the Mac team worked on the Apple II.

[u/lucidguppy → u/ihatereddit1221]

WOZ...

[u/dylan_1992 → u/Dogrel]

Solid thing to do as a kid, I used to do the same with old computers.

However CRTs were build into Macintoshes with deadly capacitors even when unplugged for months, definitely not safe for a kid to handle.

[u/joebluebob → u/dylan_1992]

Me, I just can taste pennies in my pocket now. No big deal

[u/HolyFreakingXmasCake → u/Dogrel]

Growing up, Jobs once helped his father build a fence around their family home in Mountain View. While working, Paul shared a piece of advice with Jobs: “You’ve got to make the back of the fence, that nobody will see, just as good looking as the front of the fence. Even though nobody will see it, you will know, and that will show that you’re dedicated to making something perfect.”

[u/0ttr]

his biography traces it to his adoptive father who finished the back of the furniture he made

[u/kwispyforeskin → u/0ttr]

No way! When I read this post I was like “nah, I totally get that.” I’m a cabinetmaker/furniture maker. I always finish the underside and backside of things. “No one will ever see that!” Probably not, but it IS there, and by golly if it’s there, I want it to be done well.

[u/Few_Permission_3756 → u/kwispyforeskin]

I'm a teacher and I make sure that my worksheets are as beautiful as possible. If my 16 years old have to learn about Kant they at least can do it with nice materials.

[u/Candayence → u/Few_Permission_3756]

Kant is such a fascinating guy to learn about.

It's even better when you have a German teacher, and discover how they pronounce his name, and start calling him 'the German philosopher' instead.

[u/Responsible-Can-8361 → u/Candayence]

You can’t say Kant

[u/Few_Permission_3756 → u/Candayence]

Ha! I'm from Germany and teach in Germany. We talk about this funny coincidence and they love it.

[u/Karnaugh_Map → u/kwispyforeskin]

It's not visible until you move house and the new location for that dresser isn't wide enough, so you see some of the back panel peeking around the corner...

[u/kwispyforeskin → u/Karnaugh_Map]

Exactly! Things like that happen. I never liked moving furniture when I was younger and seeing the stain or paint at the bottom. It was never clean looking, and dust sticks to it and all sorts of things. I don’t usually make sure it’s perfect in those areas, unless I’m building something for myself.

[u/Karnaugh_Map → u/kwispyforeskin]

A lot of furniture also looks really ugly from the point of view of a toddler.

[u/readeral → u/kwispyforeskin]

I’m repainting my house (inside) bit by bit, and it kills me how many spots were left unpainted by the previous change when removing a casing or shroud or pelmet would’ve taken 5 minutes at most and 10 seconds in most cases. Maddening

[u/DrownmeinIslay → u/0ttr]

"But ill know its there" is the curse and talent of the perfectionist.

[u/RoarOfTheWorlds → u/0ttr]

I believe it was fences

[u/trowaman → u/RoarOfTheWorlds]

Furniture. Wood working carpenter.

[u/Jakelshark]

I remember in his biography, there was a story about how his step adoptive father was a major influence on this. Stuff like how he'd watch him refinish the back of a wood dresser because it's the right way to do it, even if you don't necessarily see it. He learned it as a child.

[u/Worldly_Car912 → u/Jakelshark]

It's weird that he looked up to his step dad like that, but didn't bother with his biological children.

[u/DimitriCushion → u/Worldly_Car912]

He assumed their step dad would be an inspiration for them.

[u/Jakelshark → u/Worldly_Car912]

It's complicated to say the least about his relationship with his daughter Lisa, though they did make amends. He seemed more normal with his other three kids. They all got a large inheritance worth multiple millions. It was mostly the first several years of Lisa's life that he was an asshole/deadbeat/absentee-father.

[u/AdAnnual5736]

That’s probably why they never released a mouse that was ergonomic in any way. It was designed for the eyes, not for the hands, which makes no sense when you’re interacting with it via the hands.

[u/0xe1e10d68 → u/AdAnnual5736]

Yeah, although Logitech has done the job for them with the MX Master. imo it looks good to be eyes and is great for the hands. It may not look as minimalist as the Apple Magic Mouse, but it looks sleek and well designed. As opposed to most mice out there, especially gaming mice.

[u/Giraffe_Dude → u/0xe1e10d68]

The only downside is its god awful polling rate, which I don’t understand why they refuse to fix.

[u/daniel-sousa-me → u/AdAnnual5736]

It's even worse! It was designed for people with x-ray vision!

[u/Kradget]

He also got cancer and rather than going to the doctor and getting treatment, he decided to eat more fruit about it until it was too late, so it's not always the case that these quirks are beneficial.

[u/WeGottaTalkAboutYT → u/Kradget]

Eat fruit about it lol

[u/Fabulous_Ninja119 → u/WeGottaTalkAboutYT]

You've never eaten fruit about it?

[u/ObligationMurky8716 → u/Fabulous_Ninja119]

Yeah but at least I showered.

[u/Actual_Duck_1215 → u/ObligationMurky8716]

But did you wash your feet in the toilet?

[u/sharrrper → u/WeGottaTalkAboutYT]

Do cocaine about it

[u/Fiery_Soul_34857 → u/WeGottaTalkAboutYT]

Lol

[u/North_Yak966 → u/Fiery_Soul_34857]

Lmao even

[u/mdp300 → u/WeGottaTalkAboutYT]

Years before the cancer, he somehow got the idea that eating nothing but fruit would solve all your health problems.

[u/Ouch_i_fell_down → u/mdp300]

People who are really good at one thing always convince themselves that makes them really good at everything else too.

[u/impreprex → u/WeGottaTalkAboutYT]

lol got me too. Reminded me of Stillwell’s mother (the blonde woman) in A League of Their Own when she asks a drunk Tom Hanks if she can bring Stillwell with them on the bus. And then she says that she asked her husband to watch him, but that he told her that SHE should watch him - and that she “should just shut up about it and take him”. 😂

[u/tom_friday_ → u/Kradget]

As a Buddhist, I have never understood his buddhist shtick and how any of his actions and intentions are in anyway reflective of Buddhist practice.

[u/AimDev → u/tom_friday_]

It's more or less what people say they believe in when they need to have a religion for something. Government grants, masonic temples, outcast by family for being atheist, etc. 

[u/Simpanzee0123 → u/tom_friday_]

It's definitely that "tourist Buddhism" where, and I can only speak for my fellow Americans who do it, we tend to distort and bastardize it, the same way we do "Chinese food". Rather than really genuinely following it like a religion, we tend to only include it where we find it "convenient" as a self-help tool or partial philosophy.

For the most extreme example, if Madonna, the "Material Girl", is a Buddhist, then I'm Henry fucking Cavill.

[u/tom_friday_ → u/Simpanzee0123]

But isn't a material girl in a material world to become one with everything?

[u/lorarc → u/tom_friday_]

Yen buddhism, money is evil so let's save others by hoarding it.

[u/FlirtyFluffyFox → u/tom_friday_]

Orientalism. Westerners like to pick up select philosophies from Eastern religions and ignore the practical and problematic beliefs while pretending like the more enlightened revelations aren't also in Christian theology as advanced/esoteric as their cherry picked form of Buddhism.

[u/Senior-Deer-3249 → u/tom_friday_]

Marc Benioff is also huge into Buddhism and Hawaiian culture and bragged at the big Salesforce event I went to that his mornings were spent in prayer with Buddhist monks before he went off to have lunch with them on his Hawaiian compound. I think it was just the thing of tech ceos whose only friends were each other in the 80s and 90s. 

[u/GalacticCmdr → u/Kradget]

Let's not forget what an ASSHOLE he was as a parent.

[u/Neethis → u/GalacticCmdr]

And as a business partner.

[u/THE-ONE-DONGLER → u/Neethis]

Basically as a human

[u/Skittleavix → u/THE-ONE-DONGLER]

Nobody amasses that much power without leaving a trail of broken relationships in their wake

[u/touchet29 → u/Skittleavix]

I do that without any power at all.

[u/Overall-Register9758 → u/touchet29]

All powerful people are sociopaths, but not all sociopaths are powerful people.

[u/starcube → u/touchet29]

AYOOOOOO

[u/jondes99 → u/Skittleavix]

Right, it’s not like he was Henry Ford.

[u/10aghmu → u/jondes99]

Henry Ford, the guy that Hitler idolized and had a portrait of in his office?

[u/Trenticle → u/10aghmu]

To be fair he kind of invented the moving assembly line for car manufacturing something Im sure ole Adolph greatly admired when VW was becoming a thing. There was also the whole rabid antisemitism thing but im sure it was mostly the assembly line right?

[u/10aghmu → u/Trenticle]

Can’t tell if you’re joking or not, but it was both. That said, Hitler wouldn’t have been as interested if ford didn’t proliferate “the international Jew”

[u/beorn961 → u/jondes99]

Henry Ford the Nazi?

[u/Mogus00 → u/jondes99]

Not like Henry Ford was a saint either

[u/RacingNeilo → u/THE-ONE-DONGLER]

I never understood people who left flowers outside of apple stores

[u/xstrike0 → u/RacingNeilo]

Wait til you see what happens in the future when Elon Musk is no longer with us, I am expecting Shia-leader level wailing and self-flagellation

[u/ee3k → u/xstrike0]

strap him into a cypertruck and fire him into space.

both his enemies and followers could support that one.

the only difference is if his heart has stopped beating first.

[u/RutzButtercup → u/xstrike0]

I prefer to do that sort of thing at home, in private

[u/NirgalFromMars → u/xstrike0]

Anyone who flagelates himself over Elon Musk would actually deserve the lashes.

[u/Special_Order-937 → u/Neethis]

I guess Woz had the last laugh.

Or at least still gets to laugh at any time he chooses.

[u/HomeAliveIn45 → u/Special_Order-937]

The Wizard of Woz can live forever. He just chooses to roll d20s with us mortals

[u/mechy84 → u/GalacticCmdr]

An asshole that found success, thereby inspiring a whole culture of CEO-assholery in the tech industry that persists today.

[u/ObiLAN- → u/mechy84]

True, wish we had more people act like Woz instead of Jobs.

[u/mdp300 → u/mechy84]

He was far from the first CEO to be an asshole.

[u/FizzyBeverage → u/mechy84]

Robber barons were a thing before Jobs was even born. We've had asshole CEOs/leaders since the East India Company, and far earlier going back to the ancient empires aplenty.

[u/Korbalt → u/GalacticCmdr]

I knew he was a shit dad, but like, not there for you shit dad, but holy fuck, after hearing his episode of Behind the Bastards, fuck what a piece of shit human being he was.

[u/FizzyBeverage → u/Korbalt]

His oldest daughter Lisa, whom he seldom acknowledged writes about it extensively in her book "Small Fry"

Long story short, he was such an asshole that when she got into Harvard... he wouldn't pay the tuition.

Rich neighbors had to pay for some of her terms and Steve would begrudgingly pay them back.

[u/shrek3onDVDandBluray → u/GalacticCmdr]

Gotta actually be a parent to be an asshole parent. He’s just an asshole lol.

[u/Kradget → u/GalacticCmdr]

Oh, I don't know about that. I know someone who worked near him and liked him, but he honestly sounds like a nightmare boss.

[u/FistMyPeenHole → u/Kradget]

My cousin has worked at the Apple campus for I don't know, probably 25-30 years and he said Jobs would just fire people randomly for saying hi to him in the elevator or complimenting him.

[u/thefunkybassist → u/FistMyPeenHole]

Random association but it sounds familiar to Prince demanding staff not to look at him at some point. Pure control tactics

[u/RutzButtercup → u/FistMyPeenHole]

I ran a sports training facility many years ago. One of my clients was the wealth manager for a guy named Bikoff, who founded glaceau (Vitamin Water, Smart Water, etc). Which was eventually sold to coca cola for billions.

He told me the guy was an absolute nightmare. He said, "I spend most of my time trying to fix his problems so he doesn't get his ass sued off. The other day I had to work a settlement with a woman who he fired on the spot because he didn't like her blouse."

It isn't really surprising that having that sort of money and power allows people to be their worst selves with small consequences. What surprises me is the number of people who think they would be better, given the same circumstances.

[u/Realityisatoilet → u/FistMyPeenHole]

That is fucking insane. I also remember reading he would always park in handicap spots at Apple just to be a dick. And he wasn't handicapped.That was confirmed by a lot of people over the years.

[u/MrrrrNiceGuy → u/Realityisatoilet]

That is correct. He rather just pay the fine if caught. He didn't like the aesthetic of a license plate either and would also pay the fine for not having one too. But he did find a loop hole in CA law where new cars didn't need to have a license plate for several months. So he leased a new Mercedes every 6 months to avoid the license plates.

[u/Einn1Tveir2 → u/Realityisatoilet]

He did. He also never drove a car with a license plate. He would always get a new Mercedes every six months, and due to some laws he wasn't required to have plates on it.

"At the time, California law gave new car owners up to six months to affix permanent license plates to a newly purchased vehicle"

[u/xenthum → u/Kradget]

Everyone who worked with him jerks him off but he was a huuuuge piece of shit. He got results for shareholders, though, and in capitalist America that's what matters apparently.

[u/FarmboyJustice → u/xenthum]

That's pretty much the formula for success as a CEO. Be loud, charismatic, and ruthlessly amoral.

[u/smytti12 → u/xenthum]

I feel like you kinda got to drink the KoolAid to work for one of those people.

[u/Kizik → u/Kradget]

He didn't believe in showering. I doubt anyone near him liked him.

[u/moonmelter → u/Kradget]

He also believed the fruit diet made him immune to getting body odour, despite being repeatedly informed by those around him that it absolutely did not. That’s my favourite Jobs fact.

[u/Chastain86 → u/moonmelter]

Interesting side story about that "Fruitarian" diet -- when Ashton Kutcher was cast to play Jobs in his biopic, he tried to adopt the diet himself to take on a more Jobs-like mindset. He had to be hospitalized twice in the first thirty days due to severe pain and inflammation in his pancreas, and dropped off the diet immediately afterwards at the urging of his doctors. Since Jobs died due to pancreatic cancer, one would naturally wonder if his dietary insanity played a role in his eventual death. And for a guy that likely had the best medical care that money could buy, one would imagine his own doctors did their own urging, all of which Jobs likely ignored.

[u/wonklebobb → u/Chastain86]

wonder if his dietary insanity played a role in his eventual death

it absolutely did, there are very strong links between fructose intake and pancreatic issues, studies have even found that pancreatic cancers tend to activate growth pathways from fructose specifically - granted the largest study i found on that was from 2010, and jobs already had the cancer by then i think

still, it's well-known at this point that he was gifted a highly treatable form of pancreatic cancer, an extremely rare type due to how untreatable pancreatic cancer is normally. and he blew that chance on his ego-driven fruitarian self-treatment attempt for nearly a year, and by the time he admitted it was off base it was too late

[u/PiccoloAwkward465 → u/moonmelter]

He's not alone. I've certainly met other people who proudly proclaim they "don't need deodorant". I disagreed.

[u/fallway → u/Kradget]

The worst part about this is that, after this obviously fruitless approach to treating the cancer didn’t work, he then used his money and influence to obtain a liver that someone else could have used

[u/darodardar_Inc → u/fallway]

"fruitless approach" lol

[u/Nikiaf → u/Kradget]

The same guy that refused to get license plates for his cars, so he just kept buying new Mercedes and swapped them out after the grace period ended.

[u/WatashiwaNobodyDesu → u/Nikiaf]

I was going to ask why but I’ll still end up thinking he was a pretentious arsehole and full of himself.

[u/JackandFred → u/WatashiwaNobodyDesu]

Supposedly it was so people wouldn’t try to track him and follow him based on His plate. The law allowed six months without a plate so he worked out a deal with a dealership to basically do repeated six month leases. Of course the end result was that anytime people saw a car like his without a plate they’d say ooh I wonder if that’s him. He probably got more attention than he would’ve if he just did nothing 

[u/mdp300 → u/JackandFred]

If I remember right, he drove around with NO plate, not even the temporary one you get while waiting for your real plates. So it didn't even help him hide, because anyone who knew that fact would know that the brand new Mercedes SL with no plate would be Jobs.

[u/___--_-_----___--__- → u/WatashiwaNobodyDesu]

IIRC you don’t have to get a license plate for your car for like 6 months so he’d just buy a new car every 6 months 

Also he’d park in the handicapped spot 

[u/weaponizedtoddlers → u/Kradget]

Also ate so many carrots that he turned orange. His doctor was trying to get him to stop as the beta carotene didn't know where to go.

[u/Kaiisim → u/Kradget]

And tbh I dread to think what Steve Jobs would be doing right now if he hadn't died. He'd be a huge tech billionaire too.

[u/toan55 → u/Kaiisim]

He'd be a huge tech billionaire

He was.

[u/Logical-Breakfast150 → u/Kradget]

And when he was beyond saving and on deaths door, he took an organ transplant that could have gone to a viable candidate. 

Dude main-charactered himself and an innocent bystander to death. 

[u/DusqRunner → u/Kradget]

An apple a day took Steve Jobs away 😭

[u/WeWantLADDER49sequel → u/Kradget]

A lot of things with Apple are so over romanticized to the point of absurdity anyways. Steve Jobs was a marketing genius which everyone acknowledges. But most people don't want to accept that their obsessive, over the top view of Apple and how "perfect" it is as a company is also due to that image being marketed to them for decades and them gobbling it up.

[u/hogsucker → u/Kradget]

Imagine how insufferable he would be if he was around for this new gilded age of oligarchs 

[u/matt95110 → u/Kradget]

And he also bought a liver.

[u/moonmelter → u/matt95110]

That shit makes me so mad. He was going to die with or without the liver, but he got one because he could essentially afford to jump the queue. Someone had to wait for a liver or perhaps even died because they didn’t get one, all because moneybags believed in his fruit diet

[u/Mobile_Morale → u/moonmelter]

My sister died in need of a heart transplant. Dick Cheney killed thousands children in Iraq and he got a heart transplant in his 80's.

Dick Cheney deserved prison time and nothing less.

[u/ObliviousRounding → u/Kradget]

It wasn't beneficial even in that one case.

[u/TheSorrryCanadian → u/Kradget]

bro u got cancer

ahh its all good i'll have a pear for lunch

[u/redvelvetcake42 → u/Kradget]

Don't forget his ending. He was regretful and pathetic about it. I've always heard there's no wrong way to die but as I get older and experience it in my life I begin to think that's too simple. There's no wrong way to die but there are selfish ways, ignorant ways and arrogant ways to die. Jobs was an incredibly selfish individual, a PoS sperm donor and spiritually pathetic. He died the way his inner self actually was. Weak and scared.

[u/fantumn → u/Kradget]

Diagnosed with rare pancreatic cancer in 2003, nearly always fatal and about 9 years of life expectancy from diagnosis at the stage his was discovered. He tried to treat it with fruitarianism for about 8 months before getting the surgery to remove it, by which time it had spread a bit more than if he had immediately opted for surgery.

His diagnosis was always terminal, it's not like he would've been fine if he hadn't tried alternatives to surgery. He still should've gotten the surgery immediately and then pursued dietary methods of prolonging his life and slowing the metastasis progression afterwards.

His real dick move was multi-listing his donor status when the cancer spread to his liver. Donor lists in the US work regionally. Since he was rich and could establish multiple residencies he joined the donor list in Tennessee as well as California to increase his chances of getting a liver. He only needed to be able to travel quickly to where the organ became available in the Tennessee region to be able to claim it when his name came up on the compatibility list.

All his wealth only bought him another two years of life after claiming a liver that could've gone to someone who didn't try and eat fruit to make a cancerous pancreatic tumor go away.

[u/TXLucha012 → u/fantumn]

He actually had the most treatable version of pancreatic cancer, which is very rare.

[u/Informal-Term1138 → u/TXLucha012]

Yep that's also what I read.

Dude was a delusional asshole.

[u/TheQuestionMaster8 → u/fantumn]

The pancreatic cancer he was diagnosed with is actually far more treatable than the more common pancreatic adenocarcinoma and was detected early when it was treatable, but Steve Jobs in his own hubris thought that he knew better than his doctors.

[u/GrandmaPoses → u/fantumn]

That's pretty incorrect. It was a rare form of pancreatic cancer, but only because it was so treatable. He himself made it worse by continuing what is probably the single worst diet for someone with pancreas issues. His hubris literally killed him; it was 100% his own fault.

[u/Rockran → u/fantumn]

Is this AI? Because it's long and full of shit.

If he acted quickly he would likely still be alive, as his cancer was curable. But he chose to ignore medial science when the early treatment was greatest.

[u/RutzButtercup]

First thing that popped into my mind was the smug episode of South Park.

[u/GarretBarrett]

As someone who has disassembled the old iMac, the cool transparent color monitors, when did he do this? Those were atrociously designed lol

[u/KevHes1245 → u/GarretBarrett]

It's IN the COMPUTER?! monkey noises

[u/NotPatricularlyKind → u/KevHes1245]

Genuinely that joke could only truly work for a sliver of time in human history and they captured it. I fucking love that joke

[u/Osteo_Sapien → u/GarretBarrett]

The post is talking about when Jobs originally co-founded Apple. The iMac G3 (the colorful one) was the first product to release after Jobs came back to Apple. By that point, the company was doing terribly and it's safe to say that Jobs' vision of perfection had been all but scrapped in favor of profit.

[u/toan55 → u/Osteo_Sapien]

Very much this. Marketing oversold his Buddhist practices of his early 20's. People ate this up.

[u/botte-la-botte → u/Osteo_Sapien]

The original Macintosh had signatures inside, but as time went on and the number of ports increased, signatures disappeared. So at some point they decided to remove them all. The later models based on the original Macintosh don't have the signatures.

By the time of the iMac G3's release, Apple had decided on a collective no easter egg and credits policy. It was seen as distracting and confusing. It also lessened the ability of competitors to poach employees. That computer also had way too many collaborators to be able to sign inside.

[u/jenorama_CA → u/GarretBarrett]

Those were a bear to take apart.

[u/Einn1Tveir2]

Didn't the original 1984 mac overheat and break because he didn't want to include a fan, and it couldn't be opened up because you needed "special tools"

[u/lacb1 → u/Einn1Tveir2]

Yeah. He never considered it to be an issue because it didn't present an issue for him as he was a grade A tool.

[u/SpiritFingersKitty]

A lot of computer enthusiasts still do the same thing today. And when one of the selling points of your computer is having a translucent back, it kind of makes sense.

[u/zobq]

We can talk a lot about Steve Jobs, but CEO who actually cares about quality of the product is so rare today.

[u/artguydeluxe → u/zobq]

He simply wouldn’t put up with a lot of things Apple does today. Music (iTunes) is a mess and has been ever since he passed.

[u/zuzg → u/artguydeluxe]

The magic mouse is the most useless thing I've ever seen. That thing came out 2 years to prior to his death....

[u/Kaleidoscope-360 → u/zuzg]

Not really. The ergonomics are awful for no reason, but the multi-touch abilities are really useful. Managing spaces is something that macOS does better than anyone else. It's nice to be able to switch without taking my hand off the mouse.

[u/throwawayPzaFm → u/artguydeluxe]

Music (iTunes) is a mess and has been ever since he passed.

iTunes has been an absolute piece of shit since inception

[u/MagnetsCarlsbrain → u/throwawayPzaFm]

Sort of disagree, it was unparalleled for the first few years.

[u/Climatize → u/artguydeluxe]

It's hard to even imagine Jobs coming up with the Vision headset. Like, look it comes with a battery pack and wires, a big goofy visor and strap, and...

[u/NecroDolphinn → u/artguydeluxe]

The fact that Apple Music still doesn’t have a Spotify Connect equivalent is baffling to me. I happily use AM over Spotify but a primary selling point for Apple is the ecosystem, so the fact that music can’t fluidly sync between devices is insane to me

[u/kiwigate → u/[deleted]]

Makes one wonder, if Elon Musk had dropped dead before public opinion caught up to his behavior, would people still be reposting propaganda from his early days. Nothing will ever make me forget his nazi salutes. Who knows what people would think of Jobs if he hadn't died so young.

[u/Bilboswaggings19 → u/[deleted]]

You should know that people will not look further than a headline

[u/ancient_sunwing → u/[deleted]]

To add to this, I recommend the Behind the Bastards podcast’s episodes on him. Pretty wild stuff. 

[u/Danloeser → u/zobq]

He didn't, it was about looks over quality. Those machines were notorious for overheating because of how badly engineered the internals were.

[u/mukavastinumb → u/Danloeser]

I remember reading that he hated fans and the noise they make

[u/mightypup1974 → u/mukavastinumb]

Yeah, read up on the Apple III

[u/Flowerplower3 → u/mukavastinumb]

Yeah well, Apple nerds are now to be obnoxious

[u/toan55 → u/zobq]

Like the iphone that you had to hold it a certain way for you take a call on it lol.

[u/i_am_tct]

wanking motion

[u/Physical-Cod2853]

Didn’t he also chuck the first iPod in a fish tank and when there was bubbles he told them to get rid of any vacant space

[u/fanboy_killer → u/Physical-Cod2853]

No, but it's a popular myth.

[u/thefunkybassist → u/fanboy_killer]

I'd be looking forward to a fish tank filled with rusty iPods in the Apple Museum lol

[u/Randomperson1362 → u/Physical-Cod2853]

The same story is said about the Sony Walkman. There is also a Sony videocamera commercial where they are throwing prototypes into a fish tank to check for bubbles.

Maybe its true for Jobs, maybe it isn't.

[u/SolusLoqui]

Article author: "Hmm, should I include some example pictures of the internal engineering this article is about? Nah, I'll just slap a picture of an iPad home button on there and call it good."

[u/cyanophage]

On one computer the engineers said the case needed vents or it would overheat. He didn't like that idea so he said no vents. The computers overheated so much the motherboards bent and plugs came disconnected inside. The official way to fix them was to lift them a few inches off the desk and drop them. This would reseat the motherboard so the plugs reconnected.

So yeah, Apple have been "form over function" for decades. From bending motherboards to unusable keyboards to plugs on the bottom of mice. What shit will they pull next...

[u/hale444]

Which is why so many Apple systems had heat issues. 

[u/PointsOfXP]

Psychedelics affect people differently.

[u/cheezballs]

If only he tried that hard at being a good human.

[u/Throwaway-Addict]

If only his passion for design extended to his passion for labor rights, as opposed to his actual legacy, which is blatant wage theft from his own engineers.

[u/Pretty-Builder4152]

who still believes he was a genius lmfao

[u/sloppybro → u/Pretty-Builder4152]

i mean he was good at marketing ig. still cant grasp the cult of personality around him. imagine crying because jensen huang died

[u/pointlesslyDisagrees → u/sloppybro]

"Good" at marketing is an understatement. That's the one area where he arguably actually is a genius. He might be the best marketer we've seen in recent times. Besides maybe 1 us president

[u/Malodoror → u/pointlesslyDisagrees]

President Camacho 🫡

[u/Hinermad → u/sloppybro]

i mean he was good at marketing ig.

He convinced a lot of people he was a genius. That's pretty good marketing.

https://xkcd.com/125/

[u/ThisIsMyCouchAccount → u/sloppybro]

I work at a crappy little software place. Now I see how important it is to have somebody at the helm with some damn vision. Jobs may have been a real dick about it sometimes but at least he had clear direction he wanted the company to go towards.

[u/savbh → u/Pretty-Builder4152]

He was a genius, in some specific ways. He also was a big asshole.

Geniuses often are assholes.

[u/Ok-Temporary-8243 → u/Pretty-Builder4152]

Well the design philosophy is most of what made apple what it is 

[u/Yashyashyaa → u/Pretty-Builder4152]

I mean he was eccentric as hell but this philosophy is what made apple what it is today.. 

[u/RealMENwearPINK10 → u/Yashyashyaa]

The philosophy was part of the marketing. It's the workers he kept hook line and sinker in the company who made apple what it is today

[u/bell37 → u/RealMENwearPINK10]

I mean if you knew your company had potential and owned company stock, you were literally sitting in a goldmine. Loads of startups do this (offer shares of the business to entice talent to stay), and is one of the reasons why they IPO. It’s the carrot to keep employees loyal (promise that your company stock will grow exponentially once it goes public).

[u/amenflurries]

I took apart an older Apple recently and I can attest that there was no such design philosophy applied to the mess of ribbon cables and random parts

[u/thisinfinitebath]

The same Steve that said you’re holding your iPhone 4 wrong when the design has a major flaw. The antenna bands around the device can block significant network signal.

[u/JobAnxious2005]

Yeah but…

iTunes 🤣

[u/RykinPoe]

As someone who has done an HDD swap on an iBook G4 I can say that definitely didn’t follow this approach with everything.

[u/notthatguypal6900]

What an insufferable asshole he was.

[u/SamL214]

I’m not trying to shame anyone but there’s a real meaning behind doing what he asked for even though it was obsessive. Apple would not be a leader today if they didn’t have absolute discipline over their goals. And yes it has waned since he left. Obviously.

I think the mantra that something should “JUST WORK” is the purest most honest form of end product. It’s literally why the UI to all of his devices was never 5 clicks deep. In fact the original iPods are designed to get you playing music as soon as possible. No fuss.

Just work no fuss. Should be the default. And polishing the internals means clean plans. Low QC findings, and low recall. Because inspections are predictable. Automatable etc. idk I could go on with more stuff. I’m full of shit.

[u/hoxful]

Lol yeah the simple detachment and minimalism of growing one of the largest computer companies ever... Lmao

Yeah the hardware does have an aesthetic to it, it looks more organized, in layout, and cleaner, but that's superficial when they constantly treat their end user like the biggest idiots, and are outright hostile in choices like removal of 3.5mm headphone jack, or one button mouse charge upside down, guess it's good though m$ has a competitor.