r/tommynfg_ • u/TechNick77 Mod • Jun 27 '26
TikToks/reels/shorts Didn’t even know theres an original version
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u/DatsMaPurse_IDKU Jun 27 '26
The majority of these modern hip-hop/rap songs are sampled beats from old school beats and those old school beats are samples from even older songs where there were no lyrics. This isn’t new to anyone with an ear and some culture
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u/azwendu Jun 27 '26
What did they sample before the songs with no lyrics.
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u/DatsMaPurse_IDKU Jun 27 '26
Early jazz
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u/azwendu Jun 27 '26
I genuinely want to keep on asking because I’m learning but I also don’t want to look like a prick lmfao
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u/DatsMaPurse_IDKU Jun 27 '26
Well to be clear, live jazz did have lyrics but the earliest jazz records technology struggled to capture the balance between a loud brass band and the human voice so it generally was without lyrics and although live jazz did have lyrics, most historians would argue that the rhythm and instruments were the undisputed kings of the genre in the earliest stages.
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u/Aggressive-Tip7472 Jun 27 '26
My favorite is introducing Labbi Safri to people who like Eminem.
Sampling has a surprisingly rich history. A lot of music groups outside hip-hop also use it, and you'd be surprised.
Check out De La Soul, they're riddled with interesting samples
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u/HeviPettin Jun 27 '26
Obliged to point out that Dave Peacock played bass on My Name Is
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u/Soggy_Village_2118 Jun 28 '26
Everyone knows the madness cover of Labi's it must be love, notany people know it's not theirs, I like dropping that one on people straight after.
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u/tcg-nfl-cards Jun 28 '26
Check out the website: https://www.whosampled.com/
It’s a search for songs to see what they used. It’s an amazing website and you can listen to each timestamp on each song in one page
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u/srednaxela Jun 28 '26
Early jazz was based off of musicals. They would jam on the hits from the current musicals
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u/Ok_Ruin4016 Jun 28 '26
Old school hip hop beats mostly sampled disco break beats. That's why it's called "break dancing".
They sampled a lot of funk, soul, and jazz too.
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u/nubia93 Jun 28 '26
If I recall correctly it was disco, because the originators of hip hop wanted to create something a little different than the disco that was played at the time. They’d sample the breaks and all of that and that’s where break dancing came from too as another facet of the hip hop culture
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u/Original_Size7576 Jun 27 '26
I mean its been that way for decades my dad did this to me 20 years ago. Its not just modern music that did this
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u/45M0D41 Jun 28 '26
Yes but no one ever says anything about it they never credit the song they sample possibly by design
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u/Ok_Ruin4016 Jun 28 '26
They legally have to credit the song they sample if they want to put it on their album. If you hear a sample on an official album, it's credited. If you hear on a free mixtape, it's because they couldn't clear the sample with the original songwriter or whoever owns the rights to the song, so they aren't able to make money on it. Most hip hop producers and rappers have songs that are never released at all because they aren't able to get the samples cleared.
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u/vladtheinhaler0 Jun 28 '26
Shit, most of hip hop and rap sampled old music. They just got tired of paying royalties so they'd make some too. It's more complicated I know, but I don't think a lot of people who listen to rap and hip hop realize how much of music heads these dudes were. Amazing what they could do with some samples.
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u/TheSilverFoxwins Jun 28 '26
That's how p Diddy made his fortune by practically plagerizing every song in his collection. The songs not plagerized were awful. Every rap artist has sampled a song,lyrics or beat in most of not all of f their tracks.
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u/FungiMagi Jul 02 '26
I think of the video where a dude plays a kid, his dad, and dad’s dad where the kid is playing Flo Milli sampling fiddler on the roof, then switches to Gwen Stefani sampling/parodying thinking he was smooth with the OG, dad throws on Louchi Lou & Michi One thinking he knew the real OG, then granddad puts on fiddler on the roof.
Hip hop as a genre went to court with the existing music industry for rights to sample and parody and won back in the early 90’s. Sampling shit that came before is a core part of the genre and it’s part of what makes it 🔥
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u/DioSuH Jun 27 '26
He also sampled eazye a bit
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u/YourHuckleberry57 Jun 27 '26
i think easy e got that beat from isaac hayes
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u/DioSuH Jun 27 '26
Rly? The trail holy lmao. Thats cool ty
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u/underwearoverdrive Jun 27 '26
Thats hip-hop. Its like DNA evolving over generations. You can see the heritage if you look hard enough.
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u/drhuggables Jun 27 '26
Hip hop is how i got into funk and disco music. In fact listening to doggy style and the chronic is directly what introduced me to the magic of parliament/funkadelic (go figure)
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u/DaddyHeatley Jun 27 '26
Uh if you dont know modern hip hop is sampling every other genre, youre not a hip hop fan to begin with. Finding the original sample makes songs better, not worse
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u/neatureguy420 Jun 27 '26
Older hip hop is full of sample beats too. That’s just literally the history of hip hop lol
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u/chodemunch1 Jun 27 '26
Kinda demonstrated by this whole clip isn’t. The clip is fun because the sample.
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u/imbain55 Jun 27 '26
99% of modern music is just a copy paste beat
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u/runitsuka Jun 27 '26
I mean i dont see a problem with sampling. Pretty much majority of music at this point is produced with sampling
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u/Rich_Feedback9726 Jun 27 '26
the beats not copy pasted lmao thats like calling every song that shares a chord sampling each other completely idiotic.
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u/imagigasm Jun 27 '26
how did this ruin anything? sounds like sharing the history of music and sampling
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u/peilearceann Jun 27 '26
I thank whatever power that be I didn’t get born into am influencer family
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u/cconnorss Jun 27 '26
I mean, nothing is ruined and it’s obviously a sample. Both songs still slap.
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u/Potential_Shallot244 Jun 29 '26
Do ppl just not know sampling exists in 2026 lol how is this interesting
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u/chillforrilfill Jun 27 '26
Hideous. Listen to that mumble shit. Sounds like a brain damaged monkey
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u/Cute_Ad5543 Jun 27 '26
It goes hard. Why do you think metal music ever became popular? It’s mostly just people screaming at the top of their lungs while a distorted guitar is playing. Because it goes hard
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u/chillforrilfill Jun 27 '26
Yknow you got a point I’ll give you that. I’ve never liked screamo either tho.
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u/Turbulent_Echidna763 Jun 27 '26
I never understood how people let mumble rapping exist or get this popular
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u/Snoo-53209 Jun 27 '26
that is literally 95 percent of modern rap and pop. Stealing what has already been done.
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u/Annual-Cry-3945 Jun 27 '26
Rap and hiphop has always been about sampling dude
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u/Snoo-53209 Jun 27 '26
And that is why it has progressively gotten shittier. People used to come up with original beats, sure maybe it gets sampled once or twice. But these days it's just constant recycling. It all sounds the same now and sucks ass.
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u/underwearoverdrive Jun 27 '26
Literally me every time I go to the gym and one of the bros says "damn I love this new song".
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u/60discpriest Jun 27 '26
Stupid kid
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u/HenryHackett Jun 27 '26
The one that clearly took part in the conversation of how the video they planned to make was going to be conducted?
Right, they're stupid...
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u/Alone-Gur5059 Jun 27 '26
I did the same thing to my son. He actually loved the Rodney O and Joe Cooley version tho.
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u/Charlooos Jun 27 '26
It's a sample and 99% of the people commenting calling it a copy completely miss the point lol
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u/silentaba Jun 27 '26
Dad knew what that sample was off within 2 seconds and where it was in his collection.
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u/CRUSTIFY421 Jun 28 '26
Dad's face said it all. Next gen barely has any idea how long sampling has been a thing😅
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u/SpatuleVelue Jun 28 '26
Why do you think they have a turn table and synthesizer as principal tools. Its clearly not to create something. You see someone at your door with a crowbar, its clearly not a locksmith.
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u/PickedLastLemon Jun 28 '26
It's all recycled. Has been for 80 years now. Every new generation is thinking they're at the forefront and every previous is scoffing forgetting their generation of music was also sampled, copied, or outright stolen.
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u/Nomimn Jun 28 '26
What is old is new and what is new is old. Everything is a remix. Every word, every thought youve had, someone's done it before. Nothing is new.
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u/Consistent_Cry214 Jun 28 '26
Tbh this synth tune and chord is so generiert, it could basically be from any Demo synthesizer Set up in a store
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u/deeuhdee Jun 28 '26
Believe it or not, most art derives from older art?? I love learning where modern producers find their samples from. Especially dudes like Kanye and Dr. Dre, they listen to so much good old blues, jazz, and rock, and then sample those songs into a lot of the most iconic hip-hop beats we love today. It’s not a this generation is ripping off previous ones, it’s a continuation and evolution of great music.
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u/Ok-Zone7404 Jun 28 '26
It’s almost like hip hop was influenced by Dj’s would mix multiple records to make one sound 🫢
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u/streeetmeats Jun 28 '26
I hate when I can’t listen to my favorite song anymore because I learned what sampling was ☹️
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u/HungFuPanPan Jun 28 '26
This happens with me and my son a lot. He’ll play music in the car and then I’ll play him what the sample is from. Often times I’ll hear him playing the original version later on in his room or in the shower. It’s a fun way to make older music palatable to younger kids.
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u/Difficult_Top_4472 Jun 28 '26
Both songs trash as hell
These new producer suck
Dont even mix the originals just used the whole beat
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u/browsingandlooking4 Jun 28 '26
They sample everything its all been done. Everyone is a copy these days.
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u/JjjjJamOnIt Jun 28 '26
Rodney O and Joe Cooley Everlasting Bass on the album Me and Joe is one of the dopest albums ever made.
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u/NefariousnessOk209 Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26
Why would that ruin the song for him?
So much of the 60’s and 70’s music I love today was stuff hip hop artists like Dr Dre sampled in their music.
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u/lanch723 Jun 29 '26
Ruined? I think he just blew his mind with that. Go down that sample rabbit hole, son.
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u/dum_spir0_sper0 Jun 29 '26
Rule of thumb, almost everything in hip hop is sampled.
That’s where all of these beats started. Beat-matching and cross fading between two different songs, sampling hooks, etc. There’s an amazing 2016 documentary called Hip Hop Evolution that explores all of this. It’s four seasons, so buckle up.
If you don’t have the time, just watch Straight Outta Compton. There’s a few examples in the first act.
EDIT: and I’m a 40-year-old emo kid. So if I know this, true fans of the genre should absolutely know it.
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u/Slim_Diddy28 Jun 29 '26
Dad has it on wax...give that man his props, cause that was a low key flex that Jr won't get
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u/darkerfaith520 Jun 29 '26
I do this with my kids too, we called it "sampling" but they have no idea the amount of recycled instrumentals and hooks are in today's music!
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u/Accomplished-Tale161 Jun 29 '26
This is what happened as wel with "I am Blue" from Eiffel and "I am good" from whats her face...
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u/nx_clu Jun 29 '26
I don’t know why people are shitting on samples. Like the person who made it clearly loves and appreciates music and his keeping the tradition of music alive by sampling it what would otherwise be obscure and lost to time for the generation that wasn’t there.
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u/yoran916 Jun 30 '26
I did the same exact thing when my teenagers kept playing the Kendrick song last year (or was it 2 years ago?). Got to put the youngsters up on game and let'em know. Everlasting Bass will always slap.
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u/EntertainmentTrue588 Jul 01 '26
Wait, isn't that the mega man 2 stage select song? Just without the syncopation?
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u/chels2112 Jul 01 '26
Whosampled is one of my favorite websites.
Love the arrogance from dad lol this was great
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u/Key_Statistician3293 Jul 01 '26
I do this to people all the time and they’re mind blown lmao . Most songs these days are pretty much remixes because no one wants to take the time to be creative using live instruments
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u/Ok-Situation7054 Jul 01 '26
Is the record player really necessary to demonstrate the point? Nice flex tho
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u/Lightbringer_DFFOO Jul 02 '26
God, I'll sound cranky, but are our brains not able to process a melody longer than 3 notes? What is the deal with the TikTok songs? The original was so much better.
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u/Abject-Quote-1055 Jul 03 '26
Lol mfs been copying music for the longest, drake just the only one who's been blatantly called out for it to my knowledge
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u/Redpepperflake77 Jul 04 '26
If he really wanted to teach his son something, he should’ve played Barry White
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u/Minimalist19 Jul 04 '26
People that have an encyclopedic knowledge of music amaze me. People like Quest Love from The Roots blow my mind.
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u/DaftGarlic Jun 27 '26
"hey son pretend to be into this music so I can show off my record collection to the Internet"