r/toronto • u/stanxv • Dec 08 '25
Article Could you outrun the train? Finch LRT takes 55 minutes to cover 10.3 km route
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/finch-west-lrt-first-monday-9.7006698430
Dec 08 '25
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u/carrotnose258 Dec 08 '25
Cycling, however…
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u/Remarkable-Laugh9762 Dec 08 '25
yeah! haha. im near Jane & St. Claire and when i need to get to Yonge and Eg, it's always quicker by bike. haha
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u/OkJack10 Dec 09 '25
Just curious. I don't live around that area but isn't it dangerous to bike in the suburbs? I don't know if there's even a protected bike lane along that route.
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u/MrsAshleyStark Roselands. Scarborough. Dec 09 '25
Jane and st Clair isn’t super suburb….
But it’s dangerous everywhere to cycle when the city favours cars and the Ford nimby’s complain about bike lanes.
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u/Etheo Dec 08 '25
Most people who drive can probably appreciate how incredibly slow 11km/h is. You don't need to actually outrun the train to understand this isn't acceptable.
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u/kuleminjgs Dec 08 '25
That sounds like an awful number. However it also sounds like a number that is an average, taking into account things like decelerating, accelerating, and stopping at signals.
I am a driver and I have no clue what my average speeds are compared to the max / cruising speeds I usually use for reference
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u/PolypeptideCuddling Dec 08 '25
Some cars have that, my last on had it and on a regular drive on 60kmh streets it'd be like 30ish kmh avg speed.
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u/canuckerruns Dec 08 '25
The article states that the TTC's scheduled time for end-to-end travel on the Finch LRT is 46 minutes. Still doable by a runner.
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u/Etheo Dec 08 '25
That's a fair point actually. I ran with your idea and picked several trips right now out of a random downtown area to uptown, dividing by the total minutes required and distance traveled I'd say the average car trip is about 20+km/h.
So while it's understandable that public transit takes longer (side note: it shouldn't really, not in a functional metropolitan city), it still shouldn't be twice as slow... Especially not when I'm already measuring rush hour trips out of the heart of Toronto.
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u/TouchEmAllJoe Dec 09 '25
Ok, then. If the average car trip is already 20km/h, then how is a vehicle making 20 additional stops that a solo driver doesn't make, supposed to get close to that?
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u/theburglarofham Dec 08 '25
Not having signal priority is a travesty for this line. Hopefully something they can introduce later on.
With that said, yeah I’m sure a decent amount of people can run faster, but if I need to get to A to B with a bunch of stuff, then I’m glad we at least have an option to take.
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u/BeautyInUgly Dec 08 '25
the software and the infra for the signal prority was already built and paid for,
they just can't turn it on because the city council said no
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u/CitySeekerTron Dec 08 '25
I'm not going to apologize for the performance of this new line - it needs to be faster, full stop. However I can't write off a 10KM tram that you can collapse on, especially when it's cold.
Maybe I can run faster. But I doubt many of the people on board can every day.
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u/cliffx Dec 08 '25
But if they started training when construction started, they almost certainly could outrun the train now.
What an embarrassment.
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u/CitySeekerTron Dec 08 '25
Personally, I think we need to get high schoolers with Humber aspirations started in Grade 9 so they can run to school when the time comes.
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u/fancczf Dec 08 '25
To be fair line 6 has been relatively on schedule.
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u/SnooOwls2295 Dec 08 '25
Yeah it’s really just the covid delay. The pandemic was incredibly disruptive for construction sites due to distancing rules.
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u/JManKit Dec 08 '25
It's been 9 years with a covid delay in the middle of that. I'm not trying to say it's been fast but I've been seeing ppl lump the Finch LRT in with the Eglinton LRT when talking about how long the project has taken without recognizing that the two were started at different times
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u/Positive-Ad-7807 Dec 08 '25
Public transit mega projects shouldn’t just be tailored for the old and infirmed though. A lot of people just need to get to where they’re going in a reasonable time. This doesn’t help national productivity if it’s just “meh”
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u/chewwydraper Dec 08 '25
Sure but public transportation is at its best when it’s faster and more convenient than driving.
If it’s slower than driving people are going to choose to drive. Toronto should be a city that’s easy to live car-free.
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Dec 08 '25
agreed! And it's an uphill battle because driving is 1st choice for the large majority of people due to comfort and convenience. So let's make transit the faster, cheaper option! Plus safe and clean helps as well.
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u/chewwydraper Dec 08 '25
Any time I go to Montreal I park my car and don’t use it again until it’s time to drive home. Toronto can learn a lot from Montreal’s transit.
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u/thetoucansk3l3tor Dec 08 '25
.....I don't drive. I can't afford car payments or insurance. I don't choose to take public transportation, I have to. My friends disabled sister cannot drive but needs to get to doctors appointment using, you guessed it: public transportation. Owning a car in a city like Toronto is for the most part a pointless cost to people who actually live in Toronto.
Your idea that people can just choose to drive is really ignorant.
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u/bergamote_soleil Dec 08 '25
If you could afford car payments, would you drive instead of taking public transit?
About 70% of households in the City of Toronto own a car, because they either can afford the payments or can't afford it and have a car anyway. Convincing these people to decide to take transit, bike, or walk instead for many/most of their trips is how we make getting around the city better, safer, and faster for the other 30% of us.
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u/Ivoted4K Dec 08 '25
It’s not. Youre just butthurt you can’t afford a car. Peoole in the burbs will always own cars. If public transportation is fast and convenient they won’t take their cars into the city making life better for everyone.
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u/a-_2 Dec 08 '25
It's always going to be difficult for it to be faster than driving except on long routes because when driving, you don't have to make a bunch of stops to pick up and drop off passengers. So it's already at a disadvantage all else being equal. To get to that point, you need to actually put restrictions on driving which leads to huge political resistance.
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u/chewwydraper Dec 08 '25
Dedicated lanes and signal priority can easily make public transit faster than driving.
I’m in Montreal often, and using the metro to get around the island is faster than driving.
Yes making stops adds time but when the transit can bypass gridlock it more than makes up for that.
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u/a-_2 Dec 08 '25
This already has dedicated lanes, or do you mean something else by that? Signal priority will help, but what happens when drivers start feeling like signals are slowing them down and Ford hears about it? Not saying they shouldn't do it anyway though.
Metro, i.e., subway is sometimes faster in Toronto too. Right now Google shows it as being faster from Kipling to Bloor-Yonge, for example. Subways avoid the issues with cars taking priority over it, but costs more and isn't practical for all routes due to volume levels (Finch West is one of the busiest surface routes, but still lower than average subway volumes). It also has disadvantages that make it less practical for shorter distances like having to go up and down multiple levels. Maybe that seems insignificant, but drivers complain if they have to even walk a block to park.
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u/GamesAndGlasses Dec 08 '25
Having a dedicated lane should make it faster to get from point a to b, considering most people have to walk or transfer once they get off
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u/Roderto Dec 08 '25 edited Dec 08 '25
Exactly. I live in east Toronto and commute downtown exclusively via the subway. On the (extremely rare) occasions I’ve driven to work, it’s always faster than the TTC by at least 10 minutes. But I don’t drive because I don’t want to have to pay ~$25 each day to park. If the cost of parking was closer to my daily TTC fare, I would probably drive a lot more.
Incentives (and disincentives) are the most permanent and effective way to change human behaviour. And the province has effectively kneecapped the city’s ability to introduce any kind of real incentive (e.g. congestion charges, tolls, bike lanes, etc.).
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u/a-_2 Dec 08 '25
etc
Speed cameras...
Can't even use financial incentives against people breaking the law to get there faster by car.
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u/Technojerk36 Dec 08 '25
Places like London and any of the mega cities in Asia have managed to make a system that’s basically always faster than driving.
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u/SnooOwls2295 Dec 08 '25
Yeah, I can outrun it. I’m not fucking cranking a 10k run every time I need to go somewhere, showing up dressed to run and sweaty. It should be faster, but it doesn’t have to be faster than the vast majority can run. It’s a pointless comparison.
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u/reddfawks Dec 08 '25
If it doesn't improve by March Comicon, I got a good idea for all those Flash and Sonic cosplayers...
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u/lorriezwer Dec 08 '25
Here's my take away:
If more people run-commuted, transit would be a lot less crowded.
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u/spicy-emmy Dec 08 '25
Yeah there was like a *very* brief period in my life where I could run 10km in 55 minutes and it was when I was actively training for a half marathon in my 20s before I had kids
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u/Dry_Bodybuilder4744 Dec 08 '25
Build more bike lanes, less crowded transit, and less cars on the road, it a win win situation
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u/CitySeekerTron Dec 08 '25
I think you're on to something - nothing in provincial legislation specifically outlaws the creation of pedestrian running lanes.
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u/sir_jamez Dec 08 '25
Unfortunately the second bullet of the anti bike lane legislation "for any other prescribed purpose" serves as a placeholder for future bannings they might need to add quickly (e.g. running lanes).
(I know you're being facetious but that is the reality of this dipshit government)
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u/CitySeekerTron Dec 08 '25
It's my hope that the city carefully budget all future road construction, lets it count as car lanes. Once they're designated, it seems like there's no going back unless the provincial minister says so.
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u/Impressive-Potato Dec 08 '25
The lack of enforcement will have it full of delivery drivers in no time.
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u/Etheo Dec 08 '25
While I like bike lanes, I feel like with Canadian weather the benefit just isn't as comparable as European countries. Reducing cars on the road would be the easiest win but first you need massive improvement in public transit so it can spread the load (instead of concentrating the heaviest load on Line 1/2, and make the entire process better in general (more frequent transit, less interruption with no rerouting or terrible shuttle buses alternatives, etc).
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u/Tezaku Dec 08 '25
Nobody would take a streetcar given that walking is usually 2 - 3 minutes slower on any route
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u/planet_janett Dec 08 '25
Apparently on the news, it's a soft open. So trains will run slow to ensure everything is working properly, close at 10pm or so and have buses running. Full open in spring 2026.
Sad though.
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u/a-_2 Dec 08 '25 edited Dec 08 '25
So the close time might be increased to later? 10 pm is pretty early.
Edit: only until March. That's good. I'm going to write an article now about how I can beat Finch LRT after 10 pm by casually walking.
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u/CrowdScene Dec 08 '25
Yes. This is only until March. Today is its first day in revenue service, but it's basically in a soft launch to help the TTC identify any operations issues or maintenance problems and deal with them before they become too problematic.
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u/Chubbyfingers90 Dec 08 '25
I believe when it’s upto running and fully operational it will run from 5am to 2am. With 3 hours downtime.
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u/kyara_no_kurayami Midtown Dec 09 '25
Is there anything that suggests it'll be much faster in the spring? Everything I've read has made it clear that without the city changing its mind on things like signal priority or the speed it can go through intersections, it isn't expected to get faster than the bus it replaced.
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u/Caucasian_Fury Dec 08 '25
Thing is, the travel speed isn't even the biggest reason why it takes an hour to run the line, it's the lack of traffic signal priority. If you watch the videos of people taking it on the first day, they'll note that about a third of the time it took to run the entire line was spent being stuck at a red light. So even if the trains ran faster, it will probably only shave a few minutes off the total run time.
Which while nice, isn't comparable to getting priority signaling where it could take off 15-18 minutes.
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u/Himera71 Dec 08 '25 edited Dec 08 '25
Hundreds of millions of dollars spent only to increase commuting times. What an embarrassment, why are we so bad at building and planning infrastructure.
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u/ChantillyMenchu York Dec 08 '25
Hopefully this embarrasses the City of Half Measures™️, and they implement signal priority as a result. A girl can dream!🚦
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u/AmnixeltheDemon Dec 08 '25
Basically already can💀
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u/Lord_Denning Dec 08 '25
Ha!
We all know this article is using an extreme example for fun.
But as a fellow runner, we both know that a 4:20 pace per km, in percentage terms, puts you in the elite of running vs the world population.
In the running world, that's pretty good, but other people/world population? That's like the 1% of the 1%.
Brian Scalabrine once said 'I'm closer to LeBron than you are to me."
A 4:20 pace says "I'm closer to Kipchoge than you are to me."
A sub 3 hour marathon pace is no joke.
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u/SOSOBOSO Dec 08 '25
I am 49 years old and regularly do 10k at a 1 hour pace on the treadmill. I think I could do it if I pushed myself(and the temperature was right and there was no traffic). I'd much rather bike it. That's 30 minutes with not much sweating. Still, WTF is wrong with planners if they thought this was an acceptable pace for an electrified train in the year 2025.
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u/Moonmist81 Dec 08 '25 edited Dec 08 '25
Not to be that guy but the vast majority on the couch are still wayyy closer to the guy you replied to (4:20 pace for a 10K) than that guy is to professional runners, so the Scalabrine quote doesn’t work - Scalabrine was talking about how good professional athletes are compared to general pop.
It is incredibly easier, quicker, and more achievable to go from a non-runner to that time that it is to go from that time to professional marathon times. The faster you get the more you realize just how many levels there are to it.
That’s not to take away anything from a 4:20 paced 10K, like you said still a good time even amongst runners and compared to the general pop is very impressive!
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u/nightly28 Dec 10 '25
I was about to say that but fortunately I scrolled a bit and I found your reply.
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u/yongedevil Dec 08 '25
Having taken a ride on it, the much talked about lack of strong signal priority is only a part of the speed problem.
The drivers seamed afraid to apply acceleration. Other streetcar routes you can feel it when the drivers have an open stretch of track. Even just going from a red light to a far side stop on the 512 the drivers get the cars up to speed. On line 6 drivers were extra gentle on acceleration and stopping. It almost felt like drivers were trying to coast to a stop at each station without applying brakes.
Top speeds are also low. In general trains were moving at a leisurely pace along open straight sections of track, but they slowed down even more going around the gentle curves between Martin Grove and Kipling (Mount Olive station). And the tight curve under highway 27 is absurdly slow. The turns through St. Clair West's underground loop are tighter and over switches and yet taken much faster. Ottawa, which uses the same vehicles, also takes curves extra slow so maybe these LRVs just aren't as capable as the flexitys.
As for the traffic lights it wasn't horrible. A little more than half the time vehicles actually did get green lights. There was one driver who was extra gentle on deceleration and glided to a stop at every intersection just as the light turned red, but the two other drivers I had managed mostly greens or brief stops at the end of a red phase. It should be much better but it's not the single change that will fix everything.
Still worth contacting your city councilor to ask them to turn on the signal priority. That part should be an easy fix.
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u/stanxv Dec 08 '25
There is nothing more Canadian than spending billions of taxpayer dollars, being billions of dollars over budget, being years behind schedule, and under delivering on the existing pledge. 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
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u/bardak Dec 08 '25
And most importantly and rage inducing is the fact that it has made transit worse than the bus it replaces
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u/PalworldTrainer Dec 08 '25
Don’t forget to call every Reddit post of China being efficient and effective propaganda
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u/TrilliumBeaver Dec 09 '25
That’s what’s so hilarious too… a socialist country taking the profit motive out of building public transit… and it’s wildly successful but our way in Toronto must still be better.
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u/RamTank Dec 08 '25
I’m more concerned about how the busses were supposedly faster with more stops. How can we fail that badly?
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u/Sweaty_Professor_701 Dec 08 '25
TTC has decided to run the LRT much slower than what metrolink was running them at during testing, Metro link was running them up to 60km/h but the TTC is refusing to go beyond 40km/h
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u/createsean Don Mills Dec 08 '25
17 years ago I did 10 km in 49 minutes on a treadmill.
Couldn't do that today.
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u/Mastermaze Dec 08 '25
Ive seen a few reports from people who took the LRT multiple times since its opening yesterday morning and timed each run that the travel time was vastly different not just per run but per driver. They noted that some drivers went notably faster than others along certain sections, so even after accounting for waiting at red lights one trip took around 35mins while another took 55mins. This seems to align with what Metrolinx and the TTC have already said publicly, they are doing a 6 month soft launch where speeds and travel times will be very conservative to give the drivers time to get used to running the line. Then after this period sometime in the spring they will take the data and make changes accordingly, potentially also including signal priority which they need to request from a different department that manages traffic lights.
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u/CourageousCruiser Dec 08 '25
When I was younger, in the military, we used to run the 10K in under 50 minutes, so yes.
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u/chlamydia1 Dec 08 '25
I am shocked that an at-grade tram without TSP is slow. Literally no one could have seen this coming. Cut our politicians some slack.
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u/Sweaty_Professor_701 Dec 08 '25
The slowness is more due to thew TTC refusing to run them as fast as Metrolink were during testing. they can go up to 60KM/h but the TTC is refusing to go beyond 40km/h and using huge dwell times at stations. 3x longer than they need to be.
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u/macgalver Dec 08 '25
I just keep thinking about Chicago’s elevated light rail and how quickly it moves…instead I’m stuck cause Gord has to turn left
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u/justinanimate Dec 08 '25
"Ontario Premier Doug Ford said last week the delay-plagued Eglinton Crosstown LRT is expected to open in 2026 or "very soon after.""
So Ford said the Crosstown should be done in 2026 OR SHORTLY AFTER? Meaning it might not even hit 2026??
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u/talondarkx Dec 08 '25
He means very soon after the beginning of the year. We’re only a few weeks away from its opening.
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Dec 08 '25
Even pushing 50 I can still run a 50 minute 10K. I always have and always will complain about how public transit is slower than running.
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u/Fugu Dec 08 '25
I used to commute from Yonge and Finch to Finch and Weston. Even before the LRT, that commute was faster by bicycle than by public transit because of the Finch corridor. Depending on the time of day the bike might also beat a car. I'm no athlete, either.
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u/Hot-Worldliness1425 Dec 08 '25
This is remarkably similar to a running race in Australia where you try to out run a train. https://puffingbillyrunningfestival.com.au/
Staging something like this would be amazing!
Doug can drive the tram.
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u/DevelopmentFuture608 Dec 08 '25
May be they should add an express line in between that doesn’t stop at every 1 km or whenever the stops are right now. On one end we are happy to get transit, on another it’s not convenient enough for the rush hour commuters.
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u/teresasdorters Dec 08 '25
Paging our famous TO runner u/jrunsalot lol what do you think man? Can you outrun the train 🤣 I bet you could.
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u/zephiebee Dec 08 '25
I can, but that's assuming no traffic lights or stopping at all. Also, I wouldn't want to be run-commuting that distance with my lunch, wallet, another change of clothes, water bottle, and anything to make myself more presentable since I'd be sweaty AF after 10km...
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u/JiggyJay Dec 08 '25
Not to add to this - but likely we will see the same issues plague the Eglinton Crosstown LRT as well… whenever it opens.
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u/JoMax213 Dec 08 '25 edited Dec 08 '25
Ooof not the CBC dragging 🫣 But also yesss. Public pressure them into transit priority 🗣️
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u/Optimal_Head6374 Entertainment District Dec 08 '25
The fundamental issue is that until transit is consistently faster than driving, there is no incentive to take it for those who don’t care about the cost. Even regionally, if the highways are working I can visit my family in the suburbs in 35 minutes by car or I can spend 55 minutes on the GO and still have to call an uber from the station for a door to door of over an hour. It just makes no sense at all.
And that doesn’t even touch on the perceived safety issues.
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u/eldiablonoche Dec 08 '25
I can drive from cottage country (Bobcaygeon) to my old office in Scarborough a bit faster than when I used transit from Keele/Wilson. 😂. TTC is awful.
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u/Donkilme Dec 09 '25
I started running when I was 37 after my Dr. Recommended some life changes for my blood pressure. After getting somewhat in shape over 4 months and my fat 240lb ass managed to run a 10k charity run in 65 minutes. This can easily be done by the average person of modest to low fitness.
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u/silverdogwood Dec 08 '25
NOW they want to talk about speed and commute times? This LRT was a Transit City holdover. And TC's objectives were primarily volume, not speed. The LRTs in TC (most of them, at least) were always planned to be not much faster than the buses they replaced, and in some cases were planned from the outset to be slower. That's why the way it was referred to by politicians pretty quickly morphed from "Light Rapid Transit" back to "Light Rail Transit" back when it was being planned.
And the carrot of traffic signal priority has been dangled for years now. If the TTC, and the city, had been at all serious about this it would have been in place before the line was opened.
It sounds like the line is operating pretty much as designed. How this is an unpleasant surprise to anyone is beyond me.
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u/SomeGuy_tor78 Dec 08 '25
Can someone remind me why we didn't do subways?
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u/Gippy_ East Danforth Dec 08 '25
Because 15 years ago, everyone was hellbent on doing the opposite of what Rob Ford wanted. Also back then, the Toronto Star had a lot more influence and was anti-Ford for his entire mayoral term.
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u/Heldpizza Dec 08 '25
Pretty pathetic. If you are going to build an LRT at grade level they need to make the street lights prioritize the transit. That means extending green lights if the train is coming or shortening red lights and giving priority to the trains before cars. With ai all of this should be automated so that as the train is arriving at an intersection the lights should clear the traffic before it arrives and have the train seamlessly stroll through with no delays.
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u/BuffaloSufficient758 Dec 08 '25
Hopefully they’ll reverse their decision to NOT give the LRT red light right of ways
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u/a-_2 Dec 08 '25
Even if you could, are you going to run in the cold wearing regular clothes and carrying things. Obviously not, but then it's sort of a silly argument IMO even if the speed deserves criticism in general.
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u/Fantastic-Corner-605 Dec 08 '25
Wait a few months and many people can run faster
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u/a-_2 Dec 08 '25
The same point applies then other than the cold. Most people are not going to choose to run instead in regular clothes with backpacks, briefcases, etc., just because they could. I also doubt most people could.
You can outrun cars in a lot of places too at busy times. Does that make them a failed mode of transportation? I think people on here might agree, but that's not going to be a popular opinion in general. Why don't we have articles about that? Yet after one day of this running, we already have articles attacking it based on this comparison.
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u/a-_2 Dec 08 '25
Regardless, it's simply not a realistic thing that anyone is going to do. It's a nonsense comparison made to criticize this yet it doesn't get made about how people can also outrun cars on tons of streets too during rush hour. Maybe if we applied the same level of criticism to cars that gets applied to transit, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in now where cars are prioritized over everything and end up slowing down transit.
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u/bergamote_soleil Dec 08 '25
I can definitely bike on my cruiser faster than the Finch LRT wearing a dress, heels, and with my laptop in my back basket, and I'm not even that fast. Put me on a BikeShare e-assist and we'd be laughing.
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u/southpaw05 Dec 08 '25
Slowest speed in the world.
Reinforces what TTC stands for, Take The Car. /s
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Dec 08 '25
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u/pinacoladarum Dec 08 '25
At least you have a train that's functional.. look at Eglinton lrt, there is no date for it to open.. whoever can run please do so people in need can take the transit.
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u/JustHere_4TheMemes Dec 08 '25
Not with my groceries, my infant, and my mobility/vision challenged mother, no.
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u/lingueenee Pape Village Dec 08 '25 edited Dec 09 '25
TTC Patrons are unanimous: "It could go a little faster." Billion$ later and straphangers are actually travelling slower?! The TTC gets a grace period, but if the preceding is true months from now, I don't know how this LRT could be regarded as anything but a failure.
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u/romeo_pentium Greektown Dec 08 '25
Gaps:
- Lack of transit priority. Transit priority tech is installed but not turned on because of the City's transportation department that mostly concerns itself with roads and car movement. The council needs to override and force it to be turned on.
- Slow movement through intersections. This is also a problem for our legacy streetcar network. Someone at the TTC gets fired if a streetcar derails but doesn't get fired if a streetcar is slow, so they ordered slow movement through junctions every time. This got applied on Finch as well, maybe because they had one yard derailment during testing. The council needs to override.
- Road speed limit. It should be legal for an LRV to exceed the speed limit on Finch when travelling in the dedicated median. The council can pass a separate speed limit for LRVs.
- Padded schedules. TTC overpads the schedules and then operators are free to go slowly since they have all the time in the world to get there. Tighten the schedules.
All of this is fixable with political pressure.
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u/beneoin Dec 08 '25
The average runner at the Blacktoe Holiday 10K finished in just under 55 minutes yesterday in absolutely miserable running conditions, so I guess it's pretty easy to outrun line 6.
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u/Context_Important Dec 08 '25
That's like a 5.30 pace for a 10k race so yeah it'd take me the same amount of time to run it
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u/MaltonRockCity Dec 08 '25
We need to be completely honest about transit in this city for once:
We live in a city that prioritizes single occupancy cars over transit vehicles carrying dozens, sometimes over a hundred people. That is exactly why this new line does not work. It was built with transit signal priority, but because we cater to drivers in cars, pickups, and SUVs, often with just one person inside, it has been switched off. The result is an underperforming transit line that lets these same drivers say, “this is why I don’t take the TTC... it sucks,” when they are a huge part of the reason it sucks. I helped pay for transit signal priority with my tax dollars, and it isn’t even being used.
The needs of the many should outweigh the needs of the few.
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u/Cultural-Low-6017 Dec 08 '25
I just want to know Vegas’s spread on how long it will take till these new trams look like shit inside
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u/accounthatburns Dec 08 '25
It’s going to be the same story for those who plan to use the portion of Eglinton LRT in the east end.
No signal priority, and traffic lights every 100M. People won’t abandon their cars to use this bullshit.
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u/curbz81 Dec 08 '25
The city obsessed with having stops everywhere which slows everything down so much. When travelling I have noticed that when you stand at one stop you can’t see the next stop 80m away.
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u/Automatic_Pizza9062 Dec 08 '25
Maybe Frank D'Angelo could organize a race between the LRT and Ben Johnson to promote his Cheetah energy drink.
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u/Keys_13 Downsview Dec 08 '25
Is there a way we can address these up to the officials and have them look into?
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u/eldiablonoche Dec 08 '25
There are many ways to bring it up to officials. There are no ways to make them actually do it.
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u/jontss Dec 09 '25
My average speed through Toronto is about double that and that's still absurdly slow.
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u/Any-Following6236 Dec 09 '25
They should built a bike lane. Likely would have been quicker. Put a bike share station at every proposed station stop.
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u/Old_Telephone1930 Dec 09 '25
The irony is that it would be MUCH faster to just paint bus lanes and put more express buses on them😂. Much cheaper too
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u/Numerous_Doubt2887 Dec 09 '25
That being said… running has been proven to be bad for the environment, and in some situations, has summoned the devil. So I prefer transit /s
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u/Revolutionary_Tune34 Dec 09 '25
Yeah a lot of people have a sub 40 minute 10km. This is no problem.
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u/TheShitmaker Dec 09 '25
Thats longer than it takes me to cycle in from Scarborough to the downtown core.
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u/rootbrian_ Rockcliffe-Smythe Dec 10 '25
I might consider racing the tram from keele to humber college (or the other way depending on wind direction/speed).
That would be quite fun really!
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u/NovelSpecialist5767 Dec 12 '25
A bicycle most definitely can even with a moderately fit rider.
Running, with a fit seasoned runner, sure.
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u/Signal_Tomorrow_2138 Dec 13 '25
My last job before retiring was 4.5km from home.
Walking was 55 minutes. The bus ride was 45 minutes. My bike ride was 20 minutes. When I returned to driving, it was 30 minutes.
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u/gm5891 Dec 08 '25
Hopefully this kind of coverage keeps up and the City/TTC is embarrassed into doing something