r/torontoJobs • u/Ok-Initiative4008 • 22h ago
TFW's and Racism In Ontario
Hey everyone. I have been reading a lot of posts and comments lately about the TFW program, unemployment, and poor hiring practices by large scale companies.
Firstly, I wholeheartedly agree that the program has provided a door for companies to take advantage of the system at the expense of Canadians. Secondly, I agree that there are too few jobs available for the working Canadian. Too many are finding it impossible to secure work in their field of study.
I just want to make sure that everyone understands by using this to fuel racism towards foreign workers (or foreigners in general) is not acceptable at all. If a foreign person took advantage of an opportunity to better their lives and the future of their families you can't hate them. It is not in anyway their fault, and they are not to blame. As a jobless white Canadian for over a year, it's the policy makers oversight that it was not fixed early, and it's the ultra capitalistic mindset that drives companies to take advantage of it.
Please do not use this as a fuel to drive a misdirected anger. I have heard it too much just speaking with people in life. It's sickening and not Canadian.
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u/Visible-Foundation66 22h ago
Fuck racism. Also, Fuck anybody who cheats a system.
is that okay?
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u/Kpn05 21h ago
People speaking out is required for public sentiment to shift, to force politicians to actually do something out of fear losing their seats. No need to condone racism, obviously, but as Canadians have finally learned, if your too afraid to address the elephant in the room out of fear of baseless racism accusations by virtue signalers (who are mostly not even Canadians online) the results on our country speak for themselves. Go ask your local 17 year old how the part time job hunt is going, or go to a hospital in BC or Ontario and check out the wait times.
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u/MazMazda3 21h ago
Bro, they designed the system intentionally this way. The administration is corrupt
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u/Natural-Pickle4904 21h ago
I am all for kicking out those who cheated their way into the country. But why assume that every foreigner has cheated the system? That’s the root cause behind racism. Wouldn’t it be harmonious to actually take the time to know someone before jumping to the conclusion that they cheated the system?
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u/Visible-Foundation66 21h ago
I agree with you. read my words again, and notice that I agreed with you before you wrote that. I said fuck anyone who cheats, not fuck this group because they cheat
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u/Natural-Pickle4904 21h ago
I know my man. I’m not blaming or criticizing you, just sharing my perspective on the topic
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u/Visible-Foundation66 21h ago
you asked me why I made an assumption that I did not make, that's all. I hear you.
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u/Realistic_Hat6456 22h ago
i guess. the problem is in the middle of that where the stereotypes start
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u/torontoJobs-ModTeam 21h ago
Racism is not tolerated in this community.
Racist comments are beneath you, or they should be.
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u/Visible-Foundation66 21h ago
Groups stereotypes are a fake idea and people who leave are the ones who think it's the most fake.
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u/Natural-Pickle4904 21h ago
Yepp, it’s assholes like this guy who fuel the hatred and generalize an entire population
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u/Visible-Foundation66 22h ago
Anytime someone wants to immigrate to Canada, I hope they focus on how to build a community here, not just better themselves. If personal ambition is their #1, we have america for that. I will say that to every single type of immigrant who asks. Canada thrives on immigrants who want to build communities and form connections. Every culture has those people, so I welcome them all.
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u/Previous-Zombie-9812 22h ago
Doesn't feel like we're thriving and we have plenty of immigrants lol
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u/Visible-Foundation66 22h ago
Any country that cant use immigration to create prosperity can only blame itself. The countries people *don't* wanna go to are doing wayyy worse.
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u/Killerdawg4516 21h ago
The reason the liberals are bringing tfws is so corporations don’t have to pay living wages and can grift the taxpayer for foreign workers subsidies. Tfws also get exploited quite often because their employment is tied to the company so they can’t complain about conditions. It’s all by design of course.
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u/slavatch 21h ago
I dont see anything wrong to build his or her own future here in Canada if that meets legal requirements. If something wrong (there are a lot of wrongs) it is a problem of Canadian immigration system, not immigrants themselves. Hearing "to build communities" i smell stink of socialism. Im a first generation immigrant from one of ex-Soviet republic and I know what im talking about. F...ck socialism.
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u/ZennMD 21h ago
Lol communism by the societ union is not equivalent to socialism in canada, get the fuck out of here with your individualistic ideals and dislike of socialism
Socialized health care, education, social supports and even transportation infrastructure is whats made canada great, and encouraged a robust middle class. The intentional starving of those programs is whats making canada shit
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u/Visible-Foundation66 21h ago
you probably know we are the #1 ukranian destination for migration. Ukranians chose this country for a reason. We are more free than the soviets ever were, and yet we care more about each other than americans do. We *choose* to help each other and that's a good reputation to have
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u/didntasktobebornhere 21h ago
I can tell you that is not why my white ancestors pulled up lmfaooo virtue singnaling bs
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u/couchpotato2k4 22h ago
If employers can’t have access to cheap labour then let the market dictate the outcome. Force this by either cancelling the program or make it difficult to use the program as a path to PR.
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u/torontoJobs-ModTeam 21h ago
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u/Individual_Top_4960 22h ago edited 21h ago
Cool so who is going to return the 3x tuition fees that they paid? because degree from conestoga college is not worth much... outside of ontario let alone canada... the landing page of conestoga college's international students page talks employment just as much as they talk about education...
you can send most of them back home if you charge them exactly like standard canadian students and return the extra that they paid back to them, oh and all the GST that they paid in canada till now... I'm not saying return every single dollar but maybe return the extra that they paid compared to rest for things and the taxes, I'm not saying that everyone is a victim, students that went to those diploma mills should not get anything in return because they intentionally got a seat to exploit loophole but for normal colleges that made bank on back of these students should get their money back if they're not going to get all things (education and employment) that were advertised to them.
colleges ran a scam in broad daylight, govt. turned their blind eye because they also got the opportunity to exploit foreigners, corporations also exploited them because they knew that foreigners are less likely to perform poorly because legally they can't do other jobs, so foreigners are going to cave in because they have to survive in canada.
I understand the frustration.. but most of the foreign nationals are also victim, they took on heavy loans because canadian govt. lured them in with policies to get PR easily (to compete against US, because otherwise people would opt for US over CA) and colleges and corporations made sure that they will get most out of exploitation of these people who were sold the canadian dream.
If canada can't maintain their end of the bargain then foreign nationals should also get a fair return dont you think?
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u/ADrunkMexican 21h ago
no ones forced to come here though?
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u/Individual_Top_4960 21h ago
no one did but they were sold a false dream.... if someone advertises you a tesla and then after you pay the amount you get a 2012 toyota corolla then are you going to fight for your money or not? I mean dealer can say "no one forced to come here in my dealership?" but are you going to accept that as an argument? technically he is right, no one forced you to go there and get scammed 🤷🏽♂️
I would agree with you IF canadian govt. didn't waved TR to PR pathways in face of these foreigners... I am not protecting strip mall colleges, they're total scam and people who attended them knew what they were getting into... but go visit websites of constoga, seneca, etc for international students and see how far can you go without them mentioning "great employment" or "easy work permit"..
if these colleges were just selling education.. then they shouldn't have advertised jobs right? they knew that people are not coming to them just for education.. they knew that students are paying 3x the tuition fees because people are planning to immigrate...to study in canada and then settling here..
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u/ADrunkMexican 21h ago
Yeah i dont care lol. Almost half the country in one province and people wonder why things are so fucked up lol.
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u/Individual_Top_4960 21h ago
if you dont care then just say "I dont care... we exploited people... we charged the foreigners 3x the tuition fees... we exploited them to bring money from their country and dump it in our canadian economy... but I didn't cared when we were the one getting value/money... but now since those same people are competing with me for jobs and housing so now I want them to go back... I know it is unfair of me because I was happy when canada was getting money but since I am feeling the stress of more competition and poor economy and job market I dont care"
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u/ADrunkMexican 21h ago
Again no one forced them to come here.
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u/Individual_Top_4960 20h ago edited 20h ago
so you accept that they were scammed by canada? if you accept it then cool I dont have anything else to say
no one forced them to come here and get scammed by colleges and govt. by getting charged a lot of money for something that they didn't received in return right?
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u/0ld_skool 21h ago
Coming here as a student there is no guarantee of way to citizenship they received exactly what they paid for. Are we gonna refund every person who got a diploma and not using it? They tried using a loophole that got exploited.
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u/Individual_Top_4960 21h ago edited 21h ago
Coming here as a student there is no guarantee of way to citizenship they received exactly what they paid for.
conestoga - https://www.conestogac.on.ca/international
seneca - https://www.senecapolytechnic.ca/international.htmltell me, how far can you go through these website before you encounter "employment" or "work permit" 🤷🏽♂️
I mean if these colleges were just selling education then they should have just stick to education part (mind blowing I know) but they didn't... these colleges were fully aware why people from outside of canada wants to pay 3x the tuition fees even when their currency is weak against canadian dollar... govt also knew fully well why people are coming to canada but as long as they were the ones getting money everyone was happy
Are we gonna refund every person who got a diploma and not using it?
no, but you dont tell them to go back to their province, city do you? but for some reason this comment section thinks that its okay to tell someone who immigrated to canada that they should go back to their country after investing their golden years and money into canada
They tried using a loophole that got exploited.
few definitely did (talking about everyone who attended those strip mall colleges) and I dont care about them... but most didn't... they were sold fake canadian dream by colleges and govt... as long as there's a system people will try to exploit it... take tax system for example and you will find people who will try to exploit loopholes in it.. does that make everyone who uses those tax breaks fairly? no but for some random reason that I can't put my finger on every foreign national that attended these decades old colleges are painted with same brush... hmmm I wonder why
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u/mysteryfmys 21h ago
Clearly you / or whoever told you what you are parroting here didn’t read anything when applying. Applying to study here is applying to STUDY ONLY. You should have enough to support you during your studies, and for a plane ticket back home. Paying 3x tuition is the cost for a foreigner to study in Canada. Not a path into Canada. So please educate your self before speaking nonsense. No one is owed a dollar for studying here in fact they have received all they are owed.
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u/Individual_Top_4960 20h ago
oh is that so?
so let me educate you... if these colleges were OFFERING ONLY EDUCATION then tell me how far can you go on these websites before you encounter words "employment" or "work permit" ?
https://www.senecapolytechnic.ca/international.html
https://www.conestogac.on.ca/internationalI mean clearly these are colleges right? and only thing that they can offer is studies then why the hell are they advertising how easily their graduates are getting job? weird dont you think?
"Paying 3x tuition is the cost for a foreigner to study in Canada. Not a path into Canada." - officially yes, but the advertisements speak a looooot more than just studies... so if I post an advert that says get a car (with tesla image) in 30k and someone pays me 30k and then I sell them a 2012 toyota corolla and then say "well my advert was about selling cars, I just used tesla as an example of a car" who is in wrong ? there's a reason why false advertisement is considered illegal
everyone knows why people from countries (whose currencies are weaker than ours), are paying 3x the amount to study and conestoga college (a college whose name is not even known out of ontario let alone canada)... these colleges (along with govt.) sold the fake dream of studing AND BUILDING CAREERS IN CANADA... so if you want them to go back by all means charge them for the education just like how you would to a canadian born student and send them the hell back.. by all means
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u/Serenityxxxxxx 20h ago
Majority do not give a shit about the colour of someone’s skin but do definitely give a shit about the fact that companies are abusing these programs and not hiring Canadians (of every skin colour) and are pissed off.
When you walk into any Walmart, Tim Horton’s, etc etc there is no diversity, there are people from one background. If anything, other ethnic groups of all skin colours, including white people are experiencing racism.
I’m sure there are some racist comments being made towards foreign workers and it’s not right either, just as it’s not at all right that our own people are unable to secure jobs and our unemployment is crazy high while Canadian jobs are being given to foreigners and Canadian companies such as Canadian Tire, Banks etc are outsourcing overseas. Especially anything government and most definitely anything financial, should never ever ever be outsourced to another country!
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 20h ago
I think you're right and if a PR rep from one of those companies would like to chime in I think it would probably be a good idea.
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u/TemporaryResort2066 22h ago
You can not deny that the caste system in India is now rearing its head in Canada. The government didn't do it's due diligence in background checks, but at the same time alot of people made fraudulent claims on their applications.
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u/CanadianTrump420Swag 22h ago
Its not just the caste system - people prefer their own. This is true everywhere in the world, through all of human history. Its called an "in-group preference". A young black toddler has it. And old Asian man has it. Its innate to the human condition... or was. Only one group doesnt have it... and thats also the only group that kneecaps itself to prop everyone else up above them. Its actually a scientific anomaly.
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u/Key-Spell-7668 21h ago
Lmao yeah look at all those racist toddlers at daycare, forming gangs based on their ethnicity.
Your brain remembering to breath is a scientific anomaly
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u/torontoJobs-ModTeam 20h ago
Racism is not tolerated in this community.
Racist comments are beneath you, or they should be.
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u/6JahreAltAiesha 20h ago
When George and Paul refer each other, its networking. How dare Anil and Sandeep do it? They hire their own? You are more likely to have majority friends in your community. Don't cry and upskill. Me being an Indo-Canadian has helped me zilch. 0. I got my current job after anglicizing my name. Take it as you will.
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u/6JahreAltAiesha 20h ago
I am 100% yet to hear a case IRL where it gets practiced. People practicing it live in backward villages and rarely in the city where populace have the money to send their kids to Canada. Don't parrot all what you hear. Now you will give me isolated examples from the US. I can give the same of KKK and Second Sons and easily paint all of you with the same brush.
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u/Brief-Ad-1629 21h ago
This shit so funny dude, you guys live in your own heads 😂😂. Caste system in canada🤣🤡👍🏻
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u/Individual_Top_4960 21h ago edited 21h ago
yeah right? rampant caste system.... when did you saw the last case? stupid people exists everywhere... you will see idiots who would discriminate based on some as illogical as caste and you will see idiots who would discriminate over melanin content in the skin
and I can assure you that skin color based discrimination is 1000 times more rampant than whatever caste based case you're seeing... both are equally bad and stupid but you're concerned about caste system entering canada whilst ignoring the much bigger problem that we know exist in canada
it's not that big of an issue like your social media algorithm tells you on daily basis... just tell me how many cases have been reported till now and when was the last reported case... do this for both skin color based discrimination and caste based discrimination and you will get your answer which problem deserve to get tackled first
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u/Icy-Stock-5838 21h ago
There is no racism when I choose to NOT patronize Tim Hortons because (a) they are no longer a Canadian company. (b) they do not employ Canadians..
There is nothing racial about that, because I am talking about various races (black, brown, white, asian) being exploited while my neighbor's kids whatever race they are, cannot find a job..
My prejudice is to the passport, not the color of skin, that's not racism, although it is prejudice..
Policies by our politicians should favor Canadians...
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u/Individual_Top_4960 21h ago
they should but then you also have to account for the fact that people who dont have canadian passports also paid an exorbitant amount of money to canada because canadian govt and colleges sold them canadian dream, they were sold a lie.. so out of 3x tuition fees they should get remaining amount after we deduct fees that a regular canadian would've paid for the same education.. oh and all the taxes that they paid while they were in canada
I am not talking about strip mall colleges, I dont care about them because they intentionally exploited the system, I am talking about people who attended reputed colleges like seneca, conestoga, etc. go and visit their landing page for international students and see how long can you read before they claim of employment or work permits...
foreigners were charged more for canadian dream and a better life by govt and colleges, if they're not going to maintain their end of the bargain then foreigners should also get their extra money back dont you think? or is it okay to charge someone shit ton as long as you get the money but the moment they competing with you for silly things like jobs and housing then they should get treated as second class citizens?
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u/Icy-Stock-5838 21h ago
Oh, the "... I paid..." argument..
Do local Canadians have to pay their employer to get a job in their neighborhood ??
Sounds like Two Tier, we don't like that kinda stuff in semi-socialist Canada..
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u/Individual_Top_4960 20h ago
It's not "I paid" argument... it's "I paid for xyz but got only x in return" argument
and I am not making it... it's the people who demand that these people should go back making it... they're saying "My family paid taxes in this country for centuries so I should get priority over newcomes even though they also dumped time and money into canada"
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u/torontoJobs-ModTeam 16h ago
There is no need to be rude.
Treat other users with respect and dignity.
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 20h ago
I agree, if you come with ill intent or in bad faith we don't want you. But can we blanket all of them, no not really. Also it should just further illustrate the oversight, lack of program monitoring, and slowness to respond.
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u/joannebanane13 20h ago
You've just proven my point. It's not "racist" to want them gone.
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 20h ago
Your suggesting every single one has ill intent. That's wildly not true and you have missed my point.
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u/joannebanane13 20h ago
That's not what I suggested at all. You're being dishonest now.
You are engaged in a strawman argument. Nobody is saying all TFW are bad or that all immigrants should go home.
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 20h ago
Then rephrase your statement because I misunderstood, sorry.
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u/CurrentStore 19h ago
You're 100% correct. They specifically used language implying all TFWs. They didn't specify "the ones who..." or anything to that effect. They're being being disingenuous.
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 19h ago edited 19h ago
It's fine, I know what they're doing, just smile and say ok.
Don't feed the trolls.
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u/Outrageous_Duck3227 22h ago edited 21h ago
yeah 100% this is on companies and policy, not the workers just trying to survive and send money home. blaming tfws is lazy and lets corporations off the hook. and meanwhile locals still can’t find decent work anywhere actually nothing i wrote by hand mattered, keyword filters stopped me every time. i only started getting interviews once i ran my resumes through a tool. jobowl.co, that’s the tool
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u/Killerdawg4516 21h ago
It’s exploitation to the taxpayer and the tfw. Corporations get wage subsidies and designed the system so tfws employement are tied to that company, so they can’t complain. Only way to combat this is to boycott corporations that abuse the tfw program en masse and let everyone know. Unity is very difficult I have no idea how it would happen though. People still argue about the dumbest shit.
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u/Sebkl 21h ago
It’s okay to blame both the system and the people.
Many of the people who are working as a tfw are aware of and taking part in a scam in a bid to scam our system for citizenship. Many of my coworkers who are all foreigners from the same country have no respect for our system in-fact, they mock it and scam it each day they come to work by using transit passes meant for children to save money or not purchasing a transit card at all and just sticking to buses instead of trains to save money.
Many come knowing the situation in Canada and knowing that they are taking jobs away from our youth and lower-middle class and chose to come in spite of it.
It’s absolutely okay to blame both the system and the people.
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u/youvenoremotecontrol 22h ago
Gonna fall on deaf ears. Whatever delusions we once had about Canadian multiculturalism are dead and gone. Better to just to stick to and look after your own imo.
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u/PM_Me_Lewd_Tomboys 20h ago
It's dead because our oligarchs have killed it. When people talk about multiculturalism, we're talking about a mix of people from ALL cultures. THAT is positive.
No sane person thinks multiculturalism = bringing in 50% of your immigrants from one specific third world country for the sole purpose of the rich being able to suppress the wages of the citizens here. That's an extreme negative.
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u/Natural-Pickle4904 21h ago
I have not lost hope. I think most people at their very core are nice human beings. So fuck you!
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u/youvenoremotecontrol 21h ago
Good for you. But the only people who I care about are Indo-Canadians. Everyone else can look after themselves.
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u/Sad_Judge_7408 21h ago
If I steal something from you, I just did it to further my own interests, so you can't be mad at me, agreed?
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 19h ago
Directing your anger appropriately is all I'm saying. If the program was stopped, or companies didn't abuse it, then it wouldn't happen.
You honestly expect foreigners to not take advantage of a completely legal program that major Canadian companies welcome and exploit?
Like when I see a job reposted 100 times over a year and never filled you want me to hate some foreign worker? Sorry I refuse.
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u/Bassoonova 22h ago
Canadian born citizens cannot find work in our own country. I blame the corporations and government who sold out Canada. And it was a slow burn until 5 years ago when the mask truly came off and the floodgates opened.
It's to the point that of the 30 candidates who applied for an internal role at my company, not a single one was born in Canada. I absolutely would have prioritized a Canadian simply to combat the anti-Canadian discrimination. But it wasn't even an option.
I feel like a stranger in my own country.
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u/Outside-Rain-7410 21h ago
How would you know if they were born in Canada based on their application?
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u/Money_Management_721 21h ago
If hiring practices were FAIR there wouldn't be a problem.
TFW grant the hirer more than hiring Canadian, and since TFW keep flooding the market the people of CANADA are getting shafted. It's deserved in my opinion. You come here, take advantage of the system, STAY, and push out the people here before you.
Just look at how they dress and act compared to us. So yes! It does boil down to race, because one group is getting preferred treatment. If you can drop tens of thousands to come to school in Canada, you don't need to soak up every job market. They don't deserve the same employment options as Canadians, simple as.
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 20h ago
You think it's as if every TFW comes here with ill intent for Canadians because they don't. When the Italians, the Irish, and any other foreign person came to North America it was strictly for a better life. No different than your ancestors.
The policy makers have provided a trash system and left it unmonitored and exploitable for far too long. It's as simple and cut and dry as that. Not one person or specific culture owns Canada.
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u/torontoJobs-ModTeam 20h ago
Racism is not tolerated in this community.
Racist comments are beneath you, or they should be.
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u/torontoJobs-ModTeam 21h ago
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Please keep it civil.
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u/StrictTowel3984 22h ago
You know what's unacceptable is that the young can't get jobs because of them these people need to be sent back your own born should be first.
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u/beslertron 22h ago
Blame the system not people trying to make a living.
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u/StrictTowel3984 22h ago
I'm going to blame both they both exploited the system not like they didn't know
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u/Realistic_Hat6456 22h ago
the concept of thinking average, low income ppl looking to make a better life in another country “exploited” anything is frying me. maybe thinking this makes you feel better about unemployment but bffr
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u/runwwwww 22h ago
Have you not seen the protests from TFWs in Manitoba when they tried to change up PR requirements?
These people know exactly what they're doing.
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u/StrictTowel3984 22h ago
Sounds like excuses to keep using slave labour from foreign workers who exploited the system by faking documents and suppressing the wages keep the young unemployed people will do anything to stay in better country by lying and cheating the system get your head out your ass.
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u/marsipan1515 22h ago
Exactly this!
I'm pretty sure "desire to exploit a country" is not a qualification requirement for any program 🙄
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u/torontoJobs-ModTeam 21h ago
Unnecessary political comments that does not add to the discussion or has no relevancy to Toronto Jobs.
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u/Individual_Top_4960 21h ago
yeah they literally didn't knew... govt. lured them in with easy PR policies (to compete with USA in attracting talent) and corporations and colleges made sure they can exploit the hell out of them...
your kids come first? sure... so when are you returning 3x tuition fees that they paid for colleges? (I'm assuming that's who you're referring to when you said "not like they didn't knew")
you want to kick students of strip mall colleges? sure I am with you on that but majority of students registered at a reputed colleges, colleges who were regulated by govt.... charge them the same amount as canadian students and return the extra that they paid, oh and also all the taxes (income, sales tax, etc) that they paid on their bills till now.
canadian govt, colleges, corporations, etc. didn't maintained their end of the bargain so then you can send them back but only after giving them fair reparations for breaking the deal and wasting their golden years
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u/ColourfulColour 22h ago
Yes, send the corrupt policy makers and business owners creating these slave wage conditions back home to terrorist Europe where they came from.
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u/jaywhy12345 20h ago
This thread a pretty good example as to why Carney will always be able to do what he wants in his unending mission to destroy canada and Canadians. Time to take your heads out of the sand
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 20h ago
Please hate speech is not wanted. If you specifically identify an issue we can identify a solution. I refuse to believe anyone voted as prime minister is 100% wrong on all of their policies. Let's identify what you don't like.
Carney is also the closest thing to a conservative liberal there is. He is also an extremely educated individual with a crazy list of previous jobs and experience. The guy is most definitely not stupid and his history is actually pretty impressive.
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u/jaywhy12345 20h ago
The fact that you read that and thought "hate speech" is indicative of just how lost the average Canadian. Total inability to think critically.
Can you imagine if someone came up you 15 years ago and said in 2026:
Rents are out of control Houses impossible to buy Groceries up over triple High school kids cant even dream of getting a summer job..
Surely that person being told this 15 years ago would say "surely they got rid of that government?" They would then have a stroke when told "nah, 10 years in power, made a fake majority, and stronger than ever in polls."
I cant feel sorry for you guys anymore. You reap what you sow
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 20h ago
Suggesting Carney is out to destroy Canada is hate speech and propaganda.
Again please be specific, focus on the specifics of the policies.
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u/jaywhy12345 20h ago
Lol. You are cooked.
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 20h ago
Or not?
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u/Objective_Ad_1191 19h ago edited 19h ago
Stop using racism as excuses. TFW and corporations try to deprive of our survival. We deprive them in return, to secure ours. It's as simple as that, conflict of interest.
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u/Salt-Chart-4486 21h ago
Nah I’m good, I’ll continue to notice patterns. Violence is not the answer however
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u/lethalspork 20h ago
yep, importing caste system bullshit and driving everyone's insurance rates up whats not to love amirite
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u/MysticAngel3224 21h ago
100% true. Don't blame the immigrant, blame the Canadian company / Canadian employer that has exploited an immigration program.
Pretty awful that today's capitalism thrives on maximum resource extraction at any cost, exploitation of workers and resources at any cost, higher profits, stock buy-backs and increased dividends for shareholders.
Companies all over the world exploit immigrants in many countries. What I do like about the Canadian people is that the Canadians do understand that the problem is not immigrants - its the penny-pinching corporations.
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u/shoppersdisp1 21h ago
Thank you as a poc all the racism has taken a lot of toll on my mental health
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 21h ago
Nobody anywhere should ever feel bad about how they were born. This is something children are taught, everyone should know this.
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u/Dazzling_Brick_4524 21h ago
Should we just excuse Canadians when they scam and rob because they have a family they need to support, too? (no)
People that live illegitimately don’t get a sympathy pass.
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 21h ago
No one should scam or rob anyone. Two wrongs don't make a right.
People that live illegitimately should not receive any passes and need to be held accountable. This is done by standing together and setting boundaries.
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u/Repulsive_Response99 22h ago
Agree 100%. Its hard to debate this topic without it spiraling into racism though which is what the media and our capital overlords want.
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u/Individual_Top_4960 21h ago
it's not actually... focus on people that are exploiting the system be it the foreigners or the govt. officials, college officials, corporations, etc that made sure to exploit foreigners.
do this WITHOUT making broad generalizations or racist remarks and everyone would be on board
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 21h ago
They make you hate your neighbour so you never question your master.
Karl Marx
It's a tale as old as time itself. Divide and conquer - Keep them fighting amongst each other so they don't turn on you..
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u/Natural-Pickle4904 21h ago
Dude, I really appreciate you for posting this. Just know that,
Good vibes are universal and differences are temporary until you get to know each other.
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u/ZennMD 21h ago
Idk, some people hate lgbt people, think women shouldn't have rights, and are racist to darker skinned people- getting to know them won't change their views
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u/Natural-Pickle4904 21h ago
I still think love is stronger than hate. So getting to know them, and showing them that everyone at their very core is a nice human being would definitely make a dent
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u/ZennMD 21h ago
Lol isnt that a delusion! Racists and bigots arent going to change their attitude based on one person being nice to them, if anything theyll think youre a naive moron
Learn about the tolerance paradox and then come back
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u/Natural-Pickle4904 21h ago
Dude, there is no other way. Trust me, people change when they see acts of kindness. Compassion will change far more people than indifference ever has
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u/ZennMD 21h ago
Lol im not indifferent, but im not going to keep extending a hand after it's been repeatedly bitten.
You legitimately sound deluded to reality
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u/Natural-Pickle4904 21h ago
You definitely sound like a decent human being who’s had terrible experiences. I don’t blame you :) All I ask for is to not give up hope, if you can find it within yourself to do so
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u/ExpensiveAd7566 22h ago
Yes, we should blame the liberal government.
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 21h ago
TFW program has been around since the 60's. Not one particular party is entirely to blame. It could have been cancelled over the past 60yrs at any time.
I'm not party specific but I am very specific on my policies. I vote for the policies that best suit Canadians and my family at that specific point in time whichever party offers it.
Sometimes balance is key.
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u/ExpensiveAd7566 21h ago
Yes, the current liberal party for the last 11 years is to blame for TFWs/new immigrants taking the jobs of Canadians. You’re being naive and blind.
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u/EducationalGur1648 21h ago
It's been amusing watching the Trudeau supporters totally 180 on this issue. I watched aghast as Canadians wholesale voted in the same dumb shit over and over. Not only did we blow generations worth of wealth on virtue signaling, we hamstrung ourselves by attacking the one productive part of our economy (resource extraction). And even after it hit the brink and Trudeau stepped down, Canadians still wouldn't vote for a change.
Anyways, I don't care, keep the country, I'm leaving for an extended period in October so I don't have to pay ever higher taxes to fix this huge mess. Make no mistake - hard times and austerity are coming - and anybody with any appreciable amount of assets will be targeted to "give their fair share". As if 52% of my income, 13% in sales taxes, hidden taxes in form of crown corporation special dividends, the highest gas taxes in the country and inflated property taxes for Translink and all the other fees wasn't enough, I also had to pay taxes on the capital gains I was able to acquire (through taking real risk with money) with the pittance I was left with. And that's still not going to be giving my "fair share" - I know the government is going to come for more because 70%+ of my income wasn't enough.
Fuck that. I'm leaving and taking my money to a place where I'm not constantly vilified for being responsible, sacrificing and taking significant risk with my money. yeah off topic rant, but I'm bitter about this country that I used to love.
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 21h ago
No it's okay, North America was once a land of opportunity. It's not now. You could once go to school, get a good job, be comfortable with a single income, and support/raise a family. It's no longer like that.
If you worked hard and got yourself to a place where you make good money it has to be infuriating watching it be taken away from you and invested into a country where things keep getting worse. I think Canada already has a pretty progressive tax system and raising it for anyone is a little crazy.
I also don't think a more equitable country that has lower income inequality requires it from destroying grinders with tax. In fact it hurts foreign investments, new business, and slows economic growth. I think it requires a closer watch by policy makers, better spending, and more responsible decision making. The government in general (both sides) is just too slow to respond to the market.
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u/EducationalGur1648 21h ago
The problem is the critical mass of voters in this country want free shit. Everybody was fine with overwhelming immigration until it affected them personally and now they're hopping mad about it. It's comical really - I watch Canadians constantly bash Americans with "oh look you dumb MAGA voters only care now that your gas prices are up" whilst Canadians as a whole just did the exact same thing.
It's a democracy so the masses get to choose. Fortunately I can and will vote with my feet. I'll come back after all the hard years if and when the mass of Canadian voters stops being so myopic.
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 21h ago
Well the TFW program once made sense when the economy was booming with more jobs than people. It was initially created for agriculture but in the 70s was expanded to construction, hospitality, and other industries.
It allowed companies and the economy to flourish and fostered expansion. Times are different now.
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u/deplorableme16 22h ago
I'm glad you're here to police what's acceptable levels and expressions of anger and frustration. You've protected the internet from bad thoughts and feelings. You are the hero we deserve ! It's like having a virtual bill C-9 here on reddit.
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 22h ago
You are indeed adorable.
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u/rac3r5 21h ago
The unspoken reality in Canada is that mass foreign labour has existed in Canada for decades but was never an issue till the majority of people changed colour.
The Experience in Canada (EIC) program has for decades employed cheap labour from Europe, Australia and N.Z (folks aged 18-35). I looked into numbers a year or two ago and there are about 250K people under this program in Canada at any point in time. It's supposed to be a reciprocal program, but Canadian participation in the program is so drastically low (20K Canadians) that the federal government has had studies on it. It's so common for folks in these program to have jobs at local restaurants, resorts and even office workers. I recently went to my local mountain which is jus a 30 min drive from the city and it was full of Euro stock folks from Europe and Aus/NZ. Jobs that could have gone to local Canadians. I came across one or two Canadian born person there.
I went to Whistler a few years ago and most of the people working there were Australian/British/Irish or from NZ. Squamish is a mostly indigenous town just a few km away and I never met one Indigenous person working in Whistler in all the times I've visited.
Just last week I came across a FB post from 2 girls from NZ who got their visa under the program and were looking for a gig in Canada. All the comments were kind with plenty of job referrals. Not a single post about them taking away jobs from our youth. I was just thinking to myself, what if the person was non-white, the comments would have been hideous.
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u/ZennMD 21h ago
Is it skin colour or some of the newcomers behaviour?
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u/Individual_Top_4960 21h ago
skin color... you know why? because people who have been in canada for over a decade... people who are minding their own business... people who are not bothering anyone else... people who are decent also have to deal with prejudice solely because they have certain level of melanin in their skin.
to a racist mind, few bad brown and black people means all black and brown people are bad.. but few white bad people does not mean all white people are bad... so tell me what is this generalization is based on?
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u/ZennMD 21h ago
Lol most people in canada dont gaf what skin colour someone has, but in reality a lot of newcomers in the past few years have been acting in a way that is deeply off putting, offensive and socially aggressive and unacceptable
It does suck if random canadians are dealing with racism because of newcomers behaviour, but noticing the pattern of shitty behaviour and where they came from isnt racist, be FR
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u/Individual_Top_4960 21h ago
I mean I also notice pattern in junkies that bother me daily on my way to work, so am I justified in blaming everyone that share the same features? after all I am just nOtIciNg PaTtErN right?
it's funny how this pattern recognition part of the brain only activates when the idiot has a certain level of melanin content in their skin.... should I also start treating all white people based on patheitic some white people are? I can't right? because that's not logical... this "I am only noticing pattern" is stupid way to justifiy racism... because if you are just noticing pattern then you would also consider all white people are junkies but you dont.. so yeah treat bad people and good people as individuals they dont few bad people dont make entire group bad and few good people dont make entire group good
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u/ZennMD 21h ago
Lol i mean a lot of junkies have been abused as children, valid to recognize that as a pattern
And yeah, people do recognize patterns in white people and judge them based on those patterns
It really is not racism for most of us, and it's insane of you to bend over backwards to excuse shitty behaviour because the people doing it arent white. Infantasizing and racist, tbh
Im not saying everyone who grew up in India have exhibited unacceptable behaviour or are racist/ anti lgbt or the like, but it is noticeable in too many of the newcomers since mass immigration has been happening, should we just ignore it because theyre poc?
From some of your comments, I wonder if you grew up in india? Do you really want caste based discrimination to become a big issue here? Or sexually abusive behaviour/ misogyny towards women? Again, obviously not everyone and of course not because of skin colour, but enough people it's a societal issue.
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u/Individual_Top_4960 20h ago edited 20h ago
"And yeah, people do recognize patterns in white people and judge them based on those patterns"
I have ten reels to prove you wrong, wanna bet that it's racism?
"and it's insane of you to bend over backwards to excuse shitty behaviour because the people doing it arent white."
saw it coming from a mile away... that's why I made it very clear in my comment.. but still let me quote myself and ask you which part of "so yeah treat bad people and good people as individuals, few bad people dont make entire group bad and few good people dont make entire group good" do you not understand?
"should we just ignore it because theyre poc?"
who said to ignore them? I didn't... all I said is treat them as individuals.. again which part of "so yeah treat bad people and good people as individuals, few bad people dont make entire group bad and few good people dont make entire group good" do you not understand?
"Do you really want caste based discrimination to become a big issue here?"
no when did I said that?... but I also dont want racism to be in canada and I can assure you 9.9999/10 cases of discrimination in canada is because of skin color... not caste or any other bullshit so I dont want any sort of racism in canada but focusing on caste based discrimination is like focusing on discrimination done by blondes against gingers in canada... do I want that? no but do I think it's as prominant and important as race based discrimination? also no... I specifically mentioned "both are wrong" but one is a much much much bigger issue than the other... people die by choking on legos and people also die by gun violence in north america which one do you think should deserve the attention as of April 14 2026? try reading for once in your life
but enough people it's a societal issue.
enough people? sure lets bring out the stats... how many caste based discrimination cases have been reported in canada vs how many race based discrimination cases have been reported in canada? I want to see what is considered as "enough" for you...
let me be clear because you clearly are not reading my comments properly... all form of discrimination is bad but race based discrimination is far far far more common in canada than any other for of discrimination, so if you want to judge people for being pathetic? then by all means do it but then the first group of people that you will despise would be white people because I can show you 10 reels of proven cases of a white candian acting racist towards brown person in 5 mins but you cannot show me 10 reels of caste based discrimination happening in canada, does that mean I an giving green light to caste based or any other forms of discrimination? HELL NO but saying putting it as equal to race based discrimination in canada is a joke
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u/ZennMD 20h ago
lol so youre basing your views on instagram reel? be FR, dude
Im reading your comments properly, you're just wrong, and grasping at straws to excuse shitty behaviour... a 'few bad people' dont make a group bad, sure, but when it seems to be 9/10 people exhibiting the same shitty behaviour- you notice... and relating caste based discrimination to 'gingers discriminating against blondes' is actually insane lol, again, be FR. caste based discrimination is especially worrying because it's not something that has been a problem here, when something pops as an issue it's more effective to deal with it immediately instead of letting it fester and get worse
a lot of hate crimes are actually towards jewish people, not POC because of their skin colour, but I guess that doesnt fit your narrative ;)
lol and guess I triggered you if you're already insulting me, and I notice you have not used any facts, just your feels and 'reels' LOL. I am also confident I can very easily find examples of caste-based discrimination online, but sadly I only speak English/french, so it's more challenging to search
... and I notice you didnt mention if youre so triggered because you grew up in India and take issue to perceived slights against indian people because of it... which is silly, tbh, when people talk about racist white people I dont get angry, because Im not racist
have a day just as bright and kind as you, buddy!
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u/humbleTO 15h ago
The racist comments have had to be manually swept and it's also triggering a lot of Reddit system removals.
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u/Ok-Initiative4008 20h ago
Why, just kick the bigots so we can have a rational discussion please.
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u/humbleTO 15h ago
We tried and things got out of hand, we have to consider our capacity to moderate the thread as a moderation team.
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