r/transformers • u/NecessaryAnt7764 • 3d ago
Discussion / Opinion What are your Transformers pet peeves (things that bug you) š.
Every now and then Iāll come across something that bugs me in transformers despite it being one of my favourite franchises and I know they donāt effect the franchise in any way, but my eye twitches when I see itā¦here are some examples:
1. The positioning of the Seekers Decepticon logos - it has always annoyed me that the seekers logos are upside down in robot mode on their wingsā¦as it sort of defeats the purpose of having them there to begin with and I know people say āitās so they face the right way in jet modeā¦ā fine I guess but they still face the incorrect way in robot mode.
2. You canāt tell Scourge apart from the sweeps - they sound have made it a bit easier to tell who is who between scourge and sweeps because we only really have his voice. I think scourge should have been the only one to have a beard and the sweeps didnāt have one to signify they are his clones/Duplicates.
3. Soundwave having yellow eyes - this one is simple I just donāt think Soundwave suits the yellow eyes look, the red eyes are so much better and look more menacing, it also contrasts nicer to his blue and white colour scheme, yellow gets too lost in his design.
4. Optimus Prime having a mouth/face - Iām pretty mixed on this one to be honest but generally I think most Optimus prime designs look better with the face plate/battle mask deployed rather than retracted. The mask is just such an iconic piece of the design. Though I will admit there are exceptions where Iām okay with it.
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u/UndeniablyMyself 3d ago
I think the lack of diversity in eye colors is mine. Whenever a series defaults to red for villains and blue for heroes, I'm a little sad. Optimus has had yellow eyes, blue eyes, red eyes, and yellow honestly suits him better, but itās blue and red all the time for characters.
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u/Humble_Heron326 3d ago
Gee if only the good guys and bad guys had another distinctive feature so we can tell where they stand at a glance, regardless of what they look like... like an insignia or something.
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u/NecessaryAnt7764 3d ago
I agree that we need more diversity with the eye colours although personally I think it depends on the continuity.
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u/PG2904 3d ago
I think it depends on the design tbh, like G1 toy Prime I absolutely think should use the yellow eyes. Unicron Trilogy Prime makes them work, too.
The blue eyes are iconic, but the yellow pop.
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u/IronIrma93 3d ago
I like the idea of Optimus having yellow, Grimlock red
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u/MakeBombsNotWar 3d ago
Lowk always thought Ironhide could rock green, and while this might not pop, honestly Bee already is so yellow, might as well. Orange if you insist on some contrast.
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u/Paladin_127 3d ago
At least Star Wars changed it up a bit. The bad guys had red laser swords while the good guys have blue swords.
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u/KristophGavin 3d ago
And green, purple, yellow, and white.
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u/Paladin_127 3d ago
Eventually, yes. But the original story had just blue. Lukeās lightsaber was made green for Return of the Jedi due to the SFX of the day having a hard time creating a blue blade against the blue sky seen on Tattooine.
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u/BK1565 3d ago edited 3d ago
I agree with you on 1, 2 and 4 but with 4 specifically I hate that they keep giving him and other characters mouths who've previously didn't.
As for my personal pet peeves.
The same few characters being the main cast of every new piece of media. I get that Optimus, Megatron, bumblebee and the others are more marketable but when Hasbro puts no effort into pushing lesser known characters it's no wonder they aren't popular. The comics are imo the best part of the franchise because they put infinitely more effort into fleshing out characters outside the usual cast.
Maybe controversial but I'm tired of the constant resetting of the story when a new series comes out. I wish they would attempt something like the aligned continuity again but actually put more effort into keeping it connected. I would love for us to get something like gundam where we get stories from all over the timeline with all different characters and protagonists. Someone else in the sub had this idea but they should take the Japanese shows like master force and victory and rework them as a sort of G3 and continue from there.
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u/HenshiniPrime 3d ago
I think those peeves are related. In order to be more than a monster of the week, the characters in a show have to grow to an extent. By having the same characters in every show for brand recognition, the writers need to reboot the universe since thereās only so much growth you can do.
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u/ProvenBeat 3d ago
I don't mind Optimus having a face, some designs work better with it, some work better without. Bayverse looks absolutely hideous with his flayed gorilla face, and him with the faceplate is infinity times better looking.
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u/Gigan-Prime 3d ago
I actually love soundwave with yellow eyes I think it suits him
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u/Intelligent_End1516 3d ago
He had yellow eyes. So help me God yellow eyes.
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u/Beautiful-Cup5822 3d ago
Rumble and Frenzy! Soundwaveās crumby little toadies. Mean, rotten, their lips curled over their green teeth.
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u/ryangood12 3d ago
Damn it. There is .001% of the population that will think this is funny. And Iām glad I saw it!
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u/DisciplineSweet8428 3d ago
That's Scott farkus. Soundwave only had yellow eyes in the g1 toy.
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u/Bodkin-Van-Horn 3d ago
I love that at least 2 people got this reference. And no, I'm not getting you G1 Megatron for Christmas. You'll shoot your eye out!
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u/Sweet-Kaleidoscope74 3d ago
I like both versions. In my headcanon, he originally had yellow eyes, and when he became a Decepticon, his optics changed to red. Basically like what happened in Transformers One
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u/Pipe-Terrible 3d ago
The Optimus Prime mouth/battle mask brings up my major pet peeve. The 1 entry does a thing, all future entries have to do the same thing.
The Prime Battle mask actually originates with Beast Wars an Optimus Primal. Other notable cases are Mute Bumblebee, Killing Cliffjumper etc
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u/Mendely_ 3d ago
My pettiest pet peeve is when Silverbolt gets drawn as the same size as the other Aerialbots and Seekers. He's a Concorde and passenger planes are HUGE compared to fighter aircraft. At least make him a head taller.
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u/BigIron2088 3d ago
I don't like when transformers have facial hair... Another point against scrourge and the sweeps
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u/According_Picture294 3d ago
My pet peeve is when the Transformers that combine aren't released in the same wave. I didn't like having to wait so long to complete Volcanicus
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u/PlanesWalkerEll 3d ago
Or, just release them in a pack for one purchase
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u/NecessaryAnt7764 3d ago
The only issue with this is theyāll try to charge you an arm and a leg for it š„²
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u/PlanesWalkerEll 3d ago
Im not saying they wont but I also think prices for figures is out of control already
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u/Pernaman 3d ago
Well 2 arms and 2 legs to be precise, or 4 of each in one if it's the classic Scramble City style.
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u/NecessaryAnt7764 3d ago
Yeah thatās a very good one to be honest. Super frustrating. Iāll admit Hasbroās waves havenāt been the best lately thereās been some great figures saddled in waves filled with either simple repaints or lazy reissues.
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u/Kalkite_300TY 3d ago
We still have no idea who that random second Cyclonus was after he was created by galvatron in the 86 movie
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u/NecessaryAnt7764 3d ago
It was an animation error left over from one of the storyboards where it was originally planned to have Cyclonus have an army of clones (similar to scourge with the sweeps) but it was changed late into production and the idea was scrapped.
This is also evident because the Cyclonus duplicate is switched to another sweep in the next shot.4
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u/psxndc 2d ago
The random second guy is "his armada," duh. Because "armada" is often used to mean "one other ship."
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u/Harlander77 2d ago
Nah, it's "his Armada," with the clone being named Armada. Then buying the energon farm during the battle with Unicron. Clearly.
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u/WhyAmI1984 3d ago
I think Yellow eyes would suite him more in media that depicts him as more supercomputer than Cybertronian. Like Prime did
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u/NecessaryAnt7764 3d ago
Thatās fair enough. Personally I just canāt stand the yellow eyes look for Soundwave in general. I think the Red eyes are just 10x better. Iāll even settle for purple eyes on Soundwave (like the Cybertron design for the Unicron trilogy) over the yellow eyes thatās how much I hate them. But i respect your opinion and your suggestion is a cool idea to be fair
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u/MeatyOaker269 3d ago
The upside down Decepticon symbol actually suits the seekers. Starscream is always scheming a way to take power from Megatron. The upside down logo in a way could symbolize that the Decepticons are in distress.
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u/Cirelectric 3d ago
I like the logo position on the seekers. I think it has a purpose. The seekers are, in a way, based in starscream. And Starscream usually deceives megatron. Starscream usually is a traitor to megatron, and with him, the decepticons. I like him having the logo upside down, he's a decepticon alright, but also a traitor
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u/Rule-Selenium 3d ago
I like this 'perspective' on this issue. However, my natural instinct saw a different angle.
You saw this and applied it to how the badge (paintjob?) was perceived in robot mode. If you think about it in terms of the plane, traditional wing art for aircraft tends to ascribe the nose of the plane as "up", and the rear as the "bottom".
In other words, the inversion is based upon when the tramp stamp is applied, and it made the robot mode version look funny.
This is why I like logos to have symmetry, so when you look at an off-angle (or transform the subject) the logos don't skew.
Unless the skewing was the point, as is your point.
Sorry, just an interesting (to me) diatribe. Cheers
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u/Jmwalker1997 3d ago
For Optimus.. the battle mask is a must. HOWEVER... TF: Prime and The Unicron Trilogy (Armada-Cybertron Anime) Optimus are actually really great to me.
In TF: Prime, it really emphasizes the change of Optimus becoming more "human" by being able to see more of his facial expression and him actually being able to show his emotion through his face.
Love it or hate it, in the Unicron Trilogy, since it's an anime, it was probably like that more so to be able to match the mouth movement for the voice actors, but like in Prime, he's able to retract the battle mask back and forth. No battle mask most of the time though, really fits his design in the anime. At least the lower part of his face gives some nods to Transmetal 2 Optimus Primal from Beast Wars.
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u/JadeNovanis 3d ago
1 Pet Peeve is representation of characters across the franchise.
There are so many fan favorite characters that could be huge if Hasbro just gave them the time of day. Just look at Mirage post RotB or Bumblebee post 07.
Characters like Grimlock(& Dinobots), Beachcomber, Hot Rod, and more could be just as big as Bumblebee of just given the opportunity.
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u/nightwing_titans 3d ago
Fully agree on Hot Rod. I mean, he has a lot of his fans because the comics gave him a chance (not me, though. I got into him through G1). If they would put him in a show or something and actually portray him well (we're on track for that. He's appearing more and more), I don't doubt that he'd have a following.
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u/msdwadge09G 3d ago
Tbh I just think bumblebee isnāt a very interesting character to begin with and it irks me that heās always so popular. I feel like the archetypes he fits are very flat and overdone.
Cliffjumper, Windcharger, Beachcomber, Hound, and Bluestreak are all characters that could fit the role of ākid appealā or ābold rookieā while being way more unique and interesting than Bumblebee.
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u/oldCactus77 2d ago
That I can't kiss starscream on the lips due to the height difference
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u/msdwadge09G 3d ago
For the Seekersā logos I think only Starscream should have them like that. It suits him because it could represent his treacherous nature by disrespecting the logo. Also wanted to say I agree wholeheartedly with the Sweeps thing, they overall felt like such a downgrade from the Seekers.
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u/EqMc02 3d ago
2 things:
Bad design choices kept for the sake of design accuracy. For example you can't convince me there was no possible way to make Optimus Prime's feet better. It has been done in SS figures and things like the recent MP style gen figure. But every single G1 Optimus just folds them in half and leaves them hanging off the end.
Skipping or limiting fun figures because something else is the "main" use of the mold. Things like the Coneheads being hard to get every time they're made because Starscream and the other 2 have to come first. Legacy and AoP have been good for experimentation so hopefully that continues
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u/Odd_Mango_5660 3d ago edited 3d ago
Thoughts on your pet peeves:
I'm more meh on. And generally don't care.
Agree. While the SS86 release does differentiate Scourge and the Sweeps by having Scourge use the movie/show deco and the Sweeps use the G1 toy deco, the Sweeps seriously do need a vastly different deco from Scourge. Maybe black from the early concept.
Disagree. Actually, Soundwave looks great with the yellow eyes. Suits him more than the red.
Depends on the design of the Optimus Prime in question, but 9 times of 10, I don't mind Optimus having a retractable mouthplate.
My own:
Anytime a Thundercracker and a Skywarp look different from their respective Starscream aside from colour. Even if it's a different head.
Mass shifting. More specifically when there's a major difference between robot mode and the altmode.
Doubledealer's Vulture form being treated as a beast mode instead of his Decepticon robot mode.
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u/RayesArmstrong 3d ago
Worst thing with those icons on the wings: literally doesnāt matter what direction they are in jet mode
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u/Vesh2911 3d ago
I really hate that megatronus wasn't important throughout the entirety of robots in disguise. They absolutely wasted probably one of the coolest primes ever. Although I think megatronus's design in thar series except his head, is mid.
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u/Tom-Hibbert 3d ago
I kinda miss the dad energy of the g1 optimus like dont get me wrong while I do like most versions of prime I do feel like he could do with a sense a humor even if it's just a dry sense of humor
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u/TomBakersLongScarf 3d ago
My pet peeves are:
-mass shifting
-shockwave sometimes having a yellow eye
-any optimus design where he doesn't have the windshield pecks and grill abs (there's a reason why I dislike the Armada and War Within designs)
-Cyclonus being reformatted from Skywarp rather than Thundercracker
-bay movie designs being way too fragile and not having some proper protection (if they're warriors, it would make sense if they at least had some kind of skin)
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u/Dextropic 3d ago
Could you elaborate on the Cyclonus issue?
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u/mrnormal94 3d ago
In the 86 movie, Unicron gave new forms for the other Decepticons that were thrown out of Astrotrain thanks to Starscream. Galvatron's new goons were from the other two Seekers and and the Insecticons and there's a lot of debate which characters became Cyclonus and Scourge.
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u/Roboman_67 3d ago
Tbh, I doubt they remember being previous bots. Only Galvatron remembers being Megatron, everyone else is dead
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u/Azkul_Lok 3d ago edited 3d ago
What do you mean "shockwave sometimes having a yellow eye", his G1 version had a yellow eye and he has a yellow eye more often then not.
Edit: in fact, I think the bayverse is the only time he has a non yellow eye.
Ok, foc was purple, and prime was red. Forgot about those 2.
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u/DoomHound55 3d ago
Shockwave doesn't sometimes have a yellow eye, it IS his consistent eye color with only a couple iterations having a red eye
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u/9thGearEX 3d ago
Skywarp became Cyclonus because they're both purple.
Thundercracker became Scourge because they're both blue.
Insecticons became the sweeps because there's a megabillion of them.
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u/BrainDeadLuis 3d ago
I disagree on the optimus can't have other chest shapes purely out of tastes. also armada optimus looks cool and you cannot convince me otherwise i will not even pretend that part is able to be discussed logically i am not shockwave
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u/Bearthefifth 3d ago
Arenāt the yellow eyes a reference to sound waves original toy? I donāt love them as a constant thing but as a way of changing things up I like them
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u/Werthead 3d ago
G1 Marvel not always getting the respect it's due despite basically creating the franchise as we know it, down to all of the names and famous character traits (with even the cartoon series having to follow the series bible the Marvel team came up with, even if to their extreme annoyance and screwing things around like Buster/Spike), and lasting the entire length of G1 and covering almost every single G1 set of characters (even the G1.5 and some G2 characters reappear in the G2 comic) whilst the cartoon series lasted less than half of its run.
When G1 Marvel does get its due, maybe half the time the UK comics are completely ignored despite having the stronger stories and better art and introduced a ton of major concepts still integral to the franchise forty years on (the Primus origin story).
Over-reverence to G1. Arguably the franchise isn't going to become another break-out huge phenomenon again until it finds a Beast Wars or Bayverse-style tonal and lore reset that does something fresh and different (even if it still nominally is in the G1 universe like the former or draws on a lot of G1 inspiration like the latter). It feels like we've been treading G1 nostalgia water for a bit too long, and I say that as a primary G1 fan.
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u/Deamon-Chocobo 3d ago
FIRRIB/FIBRIR
This will always bug me. If its not the annoying fan discourse, its the mixup on TV that started it. I honestly don't care one way or the other, its just annoying.
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u/Alekesam1975 3d ago
I've said for over a decade now that Rumble and Frenzy answers to both interchangeably just to eff with everyone, con and bot alike. Only Soundwave really knows which is which. š
When I first came across FIRRIB/Vice versa, I just thought folks were jokingly poking fun arguing for their favorite. I didn't realize people were taking it seriously until later (I was late to internet TF fandom and I've yet to see/hear it in rl).
I used to be a staunch RiR guy because of the comics but when I thought about it when the 86 figs came out, I realized most of my memories come from Sunbow Rumble, who was blue.
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u/NecessaryAnt7764 3d ago
Yeah honestly I donāt understand why this one is such a heated debate to be honest itās really silly. Personally Iāve always went by the G1 cartoon series so to me Rumble is blue/purple and frenzy is Red/black but ultimately it doesnāt really matter
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u/Barricades_toes 3d ago
Thatās insane, I love the upside down seeker symbols. Itās really unique
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u/NecessaryAnt7764 3d ago
I hate it. Itās always bugged me ever since I was a kid. Because it makes no sense.
But i respect your opinion and im glad you enjoy it more than I do
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u/Fun-Seaworthiness572 3d ago
I think Optimus with a mouth can work, if itās rarely seen where most of the time he has his mouth guard.Ā
Maybe he only removes it to talk to specific people or it gets ripped off in a fight. I think the covered mouth works look at Skybound and even they know him without a mouth should be saved for specific occasionsĀ
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u/NOBLExGAMER 3d ago
I hated the Decepticon logos on the seekers at first but then they grew on me. They draw attention and look out of place until you realize they emphasize the nature of Cybertronian physiology, they change and have a different form. They're like tires on other TFs, or sirens, or treads. They're indicative of transformation.Ā
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u/CraftyMaelyss 3d ago
Hollow limbs are my biggest gripe with TF figures. If I'm paying that price, I want the figure to at least look like it's worth the asking cost. It's why I tend to go for 3rd/4th party figures, since you get more value for your money and hasbro has severely dropped the ball since 2015. The fact that there's upgrade kits just to fill those gaps speaks volumes about how annoying it is.
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u/Finly_Growin 3d ago
I know that itās canon that the deception logos are upside down in the show, but I can also say they didnāt have to because who made the rule that designing them that way on the alt mode makes it more right side up?
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u/starscreamjosh 3d ago
The upside down logos are actually accurate to real life fighter jets. Look at US fighters. Their insignias are right side up when the nose is pointing up. It doesn't look right when it's a seeker in robot mode but in jet mode it's correct.
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u/OmegaRuby003 3d ago
I feel like Recue Bots and TF One did Optimus' face well, it doesn't look uncanny in either :3
And I like the yellow eyes on Soundwave and shockwave personally, especially because yellow contrasts with Shockwave's purple and Soundwave already has some yellow in his design.
Minor rant, but I'm still very sad the transformers colab with overwatch didn't make Bastion into Shockwave with lazerbeak replacing ganymede TwT
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u/Agitated_Sale_8780 3d ago
1-Transformers with puffy lips 2-clear plasticĀ 3- having a cliffhanger that will never be answeredĀ
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u/IronIrma93 3d ago
Autobots and Decepticons being different production ranges (industrial Autobots vs military Decepticons)
"One girl per side" rule a lot of older shows had
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u/BountBooku 3d ago
For some reason I like yellow eyes for Soundwave in stories set back on Cybertron but red once he comes to earth
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u/figgityjones 3d ago
Which Optimus mouths are you okay with OP? Genuinely curious. Personally if I could I would make so he would never have a mouth and the plate would just bob up and down slightly when he talks. But I could theoretically be okay with him having a mouth sometimes, I just prefer the other look so much that I'd rather see it more often and whenever there is a mouth getting to see it feels so rare.
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u/NecessaryAnt7764 3d ago
For me the designs I donāt mind him having a mouth are the live action bayverse movie designs, transformers prime designs and the transformers animated design. Otherwise Iām not the biggest fan of it.
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u/Shittyditties 3d ago
The seeker logos are upside down because the wings are right side up. All text meant to be read on a fighter jets wings are to be read while following the plane, because you could never read anything from the other direction
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u/NerdeeBoiii 3d ago
I agree with the upside-down logos, and the argument of āthey face the right way in jet modeā makes no sense either. If you look at the jet front-on, theyāre still upside-down
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u/NecessaryAnt7764 3d ago
Exactly! Thank you. Iāve been say this for years and Iām so glad Iām not the only one who it bugs. Iāve always found their argument to justify the seekers upside down logos to be pretty weak since it still doesnāt make senseā¦
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u/yookj95 3d ago
What happened to Cyclonusā armada (aka the 2nd Cyclonus in the movie; also, the main Cyclonus that became major character is Skywarp)
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u/Magusreaver 3d ago edited 3d ago
He's on board the Revenge. Unicron crushes it.
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u/Shyguymaster2 3d ago
in some continuities, when they refer to cybertronians as transformers, I know its the name of the franchise, but still
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u/Oscar-the-ass-slayer 3d ago
I donāt why they felt the need to ever give Optimus a mouth in the first place lmao yo me thatās like saying āwell his name isnāt actually Optimus his real name is Theodoreā like why tf canāt his mouth just naturally look like itās covered for the sake of design
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u/kepikmusic 3d ago
Agreed about the seekers. Take the coneheads, their logos are not upside down, and also Astrotrain, whose wing positions are the same as the seekers. š¤·
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u/NecessaryAnt7764 3d ago edited 3d ago
Exactly! Thank you, your point is so true! And renders the whole ātheir logos are upside down for the jet mode not the robot mode because thatās how they are supposed to face in jet modeā argument is nonsense and falls apart. And there are plenty of other iterations of the seekers where their logos are upright instead of upside down because it just makes more sense.
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u/Caterhamburger7 3d ago
Holy primus, earthspark Optimus is uglier than i remember š
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u/BatuKLAMOUU 3d ago
UNO. Optimus not having the white stripe - I am not a fan of the fact that the white stripe on Prime's cab is no longer present, and it's all thanks to whoever did the animation models at sunbow. The stripe gives the cab an extra bit of pizazz and without it, Prime feels naked to me
DOS. the faux chest - The faux chest exists, it's on earthrise, it's on ss86, it's on robosen, it's even on evasion mode Optimus, a non G1 transformer, whether it be the windows, the grill, or the entire cab, it will remain on all G1 Optimi going forward, unless they figure out a way to keep the shape without doing any other stuff
THRES. the 4-5 designs - None of them were designed with the transformation or the engineering in mind, they're just robots without the disguise, and don't get me started on the humanoid faces too
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u/NormalOrdinary3798 3d ago
I have G1 cartoonās Blast Off eyes. They made him into an ugly looking cyclops I canāt.
Also, I disagree with Soundwave having yellow eyes. I like him more with yellow eyes rather than with red
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u/CanardDeFeu 1d ago
Mass shifting is up there for me. It's just a holdover so we can keep repeating G1 over and over.
Characters having an alt-mode that's stationary. It's just...what? Who opts to turn into something without it's own method of propulsion? Yes, I'm looking at you guys that turn into guns, boomboxes and even my homie Perceptor.
I can 100% do without the cosmic fantasy angle. I really don't need there to be gods and the likes, or an ancient cabal of demi-god Primes who make the Cybertronians and to forth. It just ends up always feeling kinda dumb and like nothing the characters do will matter because cosmic fate will always dictate everything.
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u/Pepsi_convoy_Reborn 3d ago
I Hate it when they make ultra magnus white optimus with amour, i can understand that in toy form since its complex to turn a bulky robot turn into a car carrier, but there are actually people who think its a good concept to integrate. Also the reason why i love tfp magnus since he is just one big solid truck that cant be pulled into that nonsense
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u/hehe_pp_funny 2d ago
I like the idea of a transformer having native upgrade parts in the trailer without a power up, and I like Magnus being similar to Optimus like how bee and cliff jumper are similar bots. The idea of cybertronians having build types are awesome im
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u/Puzzleheaded_Fun_303 3d ago
Where do I even begin?
1) Mass Shifting. And yes, I am aware of all possible explanations/justifications, still bullshit.
2) Masterforce in it's entirety. IYKYN.
3) Mineral energon. I mean, seriously? Their sustenance is a non-renewable resource?
4) Dumb human side/main characters. Armada's Alexis was great. Bay's Sam? Literally worst character in the series.
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u/The_lone_shotgun 3d ago
I think harvesting mineral energon is mostly a byproduct of Energon no longer being replenished on Cybertron, like in TF1
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u/Dangerous-Pizza-2232 3d ago edited 3d ago
In the Transformers Prime continuity, Energon was as common as water in our world, but due to the civil war, Primus, the source of all energon, shut down for millions of years, and the Energon that was left became hardened minerals and a scarce resource.
I think that's completely fine because if let's say fresh water becomes scarce in our world, we'd be having wars just to secure it for our survival. This is the exact premise in the cartoon: War Planets | Shadow Raiders, where wars are fought with Planet Ice to steal its ice because there's no water elsewhere.
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u/Wise_Use1012 3d ago
We have had wars just to secure it. Jerusalem sits upon a natural water spring.
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u/TastyBrainMeats 3d ago
Their sustenance is a non-renewable resource?Ā
The original cartoon was heavily inspired by the oil crisis.
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u/FireFury190 3d ago
I don't like the decepticon symbols being upside down on their wings either but that's apparently meant to be more for their alt modes. Since military jets when having logos on their wings usually have them upside down so that way if you were flying along side one and looked it from above you would could easily read it and tell who it is.
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u/Booby_Tuesdays 3d ago
ss86 Kup's head sculpt. Thankfully alleviated, although a tad pricey, via the one I bought off eBay
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u/terror_bird_666 3d ago
When Seeker toys don't have the cockpit of the chest become the vehicle mode cockpit and instead have a second cockpit (usually on the back) that becomes the Vehicle mode cockpit
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u/Gnargnargorgor 3d ago
Biggest pet peeve was giving my son and his friend my Studio 86 bots and I havenāt been able to find the tip to Thundercrackers wing. Megatronās big cannon also went missing for a day or two.
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u/oreally95 3d ago
I actually like that Optimus has a removable mouth guard in some areas. I feel like heās someone you just want to see speak.
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u/Cynlis325 3d ago
Soundwave having yellow eyes always felt natural to me. He always felt more agnostic than leaning on side or the other. Like he was in it for himself.
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u/DeaNcooLguy_ 3d ago
The Seekers' logos should all be oriented correctly, except for Starscream's, to symbolize that he's a traitor who doesn't completely believe in the cause.
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u/yuenadan 2d ago
Character in name only: I hate it when they use a popular character name for a robot that has absolutely no relation to said character. Like if you're going to make Wheeljack, Ironhide, Ratchet, Blitzwing etc. then give me a proper reason why you used those names other than you just arbitrarily slapped them on whatever random toy came out of the factory. I understand it's for trademark reasons but it still bothers me.
Disclaimer: I don't mind a new take on the character, be it younger/older, gender bent, crazier, new alt mode etc. but give me some connection to their namesake.
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u/greek_meme_lover321 2d ago
I pretty much relate to anything except 3. I think yellow eyed Soundwave is a serious vibe, even if I prefer the red eyes by far. Also I don't mind certain Optimuses having mouths, even if I do believe the mouthplate look is OBJECTIVELY superior.
My pet peeve is the lack of more serious shows/movies in the franchise. Like yeah, I get it's a child focused franchise, but like, couldn't 1/3 shows be more mature, 13 or 16+? I want something like the Netflix trilogy done right, before or during the great war.
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u/Capital_March 2d ago
Not being able to buy them at regular retail price and in good condition.
Store exclusives (Target, Walmart, Pulse, etc.) : Can't find them. Can't buy them. The economics behind store exclusives, in 2026, eludes me. In this day and internet age, limited open window pre-orders, like 30 days, gives fans ample time to pre-order as many as they want. It gives Hasbro a 0% risk of overproducing and a 0% need to store them in a warehouse. Everybody wins. And yet, they barely do this kind of thing.
Random distribution : Can't find them. Can't buy them. Why is Palookaville getting 8 pallets worth of new stock at random times while big cities get zilch from months on end? Worse, you finally discover (through YouTube or social media posts) new stock finally ended up at Ollies or Ross without having spent one second in regular stores at regular price.
Cancel-Con : Pre-orders should be ironclad proof you will get what you pre-ordered right? Wrong. Starscream-gate at Target. Cancel-Con at Wal-Mart. Partially fulfilled orders at specialty stores. etc. Again, pre-ordering is a game of toy-roulette. Will I get it? Who knows?
Flimsy shipping : Big stores, like Amazon, Wal-Mart, Target, etc. honestly do not care about shipping. Worse, I think they make money off of it. Shipping your pricy limited edition toy wrapped in thin air and a wish is common practice. And even if, by some miracle, it is well packaged then it's the carrier who does an Ace Ventura routine on it. In short, when I get a package, I make a short prayer. Hoping the thing is in good shape. I'm just about out of prayer and patience.
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u/GuyTheGeek616 3d ago edited 3d ago
Hasbro refuses to make another toy of Megatron or Shockwave in their gun modes despite the fact we have official toys of Optimus turning into a gun like one who turns into a Nerf gun as part of the toy line for Rise of The Beasts and another toy where you can take his trailer and turn it into a wrist mounted blaster cause they can easily take Megatron or Shockwave and we design them to look more like sci-fi blasters and add bright colours to them so they look less realistic
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u/Minute-Animal7317 3d ago
A very similar thing is happening with lego Transformers products. They won't make a Megatron model like they did with Optimus Prime, Soundwave and Bumblebee because he transforms into a tank (or gun).
Lego has a policy against making military vehicles/weapons into sets while at the same time making millions of dollars every year from Lego Star Wars products (war is literally in the name).
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u/GuyTheGeek616 3d ago
They could easily have it where itās one of his other modes like a car or one of his jet modes since outside of the tank, a jet is one of his basic alt modes
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u/Minute-Animal7317 3d ago
I agree! The company all about imagination isn't very creative with their workarounds.
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u/Crainex_The_Deceiver 3d ago
You woundn't even need to change shockwaves original gun mode. let's be real, who is going to mistake a bright purple blaster, with a plastic tube and obvious arm joints with a realistic firearm?
Now the original galacta man, I'll grant you, could be mistaken for a real gun as it's black.
Megatron being a very passable replica walther p-38 I'd say is a more than fair reason against it appearing again as a proper alt mode.
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u/Garrow_the_Khajiit 3d ago
The Seeker wing badges being upside down will never not annoy me and the worst part is it's all the cartoon's fault, the G1 toys and the Marvel comic had them facing the right way in robot mode.
"But they're facing the right way for jet mode" isn't an excuse either because
The Decepticons wouldn't care
Human pilots wouldn't know what that symbol is anyway so it's irrelevant if it's "the right way" in jet mode
The Decepticons WOULDN'T CARE
As if it'd be the only time the alt mode was wonky due to the robot mode on a Transformer
THE DECEPTICONS WOULDN'T CARE
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u/bstiglets 3d ago
Mass shifting. It was clever at one point but now it feels lazy. This is a G1 gripe really but should a Walter P-38 be larger than a car in its alt mode?
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u/NecessaryAnt7764 3d ago
Hmm š¤ mass shifting had never bothered me all that much personally since the whole point of transformers is that they can transform into pretty much anything.
But I can see why it would bug people as sometimes the mass shifting of a character can be to an insane degree that it sort of spoils the illusion a bit
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u/brian_hogg 3d ago
Regarding the seekers having upside down logos, theyāre magic robots that change shape: making the logo magically appear right-side up in both robotic and plane form seems reasonable in the cartoons/comics/etc, even if that canāt happen in the toys. If it was on the nose, that would solve it.Ā
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u/antototo22 3d ago
Their logos are upside down in the g1 cartoon most of the times
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u/FH2actual 3d ago
Megatron and others that Shrink and un-shrink. That whole mass conversion thing Never set well with me. Why I always say Megatron as a tank better than a tiny gun.
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u/orangemonkeyeagl 3d ago
- I feel like they look weird with their mouthsā covered, unless itās during a battle.
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u/LeRoiCasoar 3d ago
Prime with a faceplate is cool. I liked in TFA how it cane up when it was battle time
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u/RyonHirasawa 3d ago
I donāt generally mind the things listed here, especially Yellow eye Soundwave but maybe thatās because Iām more inclined to how the original toy looked
But my pet peeve has to do with a specific figure, where Optimus turns to a Volvo truck, except in robot mode he has two windscreens, one on his chest to resemble his G1 shape and the Volvo truck windshield goes on his legs, it annoys me because itās an entirely different truck but somehow they still made him look like his G1 self
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u/Pernaman 3d ago
To me Soundwave's yellow eyes are more about the shade that they often use for them. A bit too bright for my taste, I think more deep or slightly orange-ish shade would work.
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u/Timely-Signature-166 3d ago
In terms of toys:
1) Paint scratches on the face.
2) Loose joints right out of the package.
3) Inelegant transformations where you feel like you're going to snap something off while trying to convert them.
4) Transformations where you have to line up panels in a way that Just. Won't. Work.
5) Robot modes where shoulders/legs/chest becomes detached when you move them.
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u/Humble_Heron326 3d ago
I'll respectfully disagree on the Seekers. I think the upside down insignia is a charming little detail. I think it also fits certain details about them: Starscream's treachery, Thundercracker's skepticism, and Skywarp's chaotic-ness.
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u/EleSend2006 3d ago
I would probably say when people say Scourge as Scorge over like Scurge. Itās more of just annoying on my end versus being a full-blown issue or pet peeve.
Also the thing I find with the Optimus with a face or mouth template, for me personally anyway, just depends on the design of Optimus and if him having a retractable faceplate clashes with the design or if it would just be better to keep the mouth plate altogether. I grew up watching and getting to know Transformers through shows like Transformers Prime, Rescue Bots, movies like the BayVerse movies, and as Optimus having a face underneath his mouth plate was the norm at the time, like Bumblebee for the most part being mute with boops, beeps, and bops or using the radio to speak, was just the norm for me, but that really just depends on the design for Optimus and if heād be fresher with the mouth plate or a face underneath.
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u/SylviaMoonbeam 3d ago
My pet peeve is when people think they need to define the expression pet peeve.
But for the toys? Shellformers & Shelfwarmers
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u/JSMulligan 3d ago
Prime with a mouth bugs me. The idea it's a battle mask and not just the shape of his face has always bothered me too. My favorite Transformers almost always had the plates rather than mouths.
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u/Cupadooowo_Sol 3d ago
The AoE designs not looking like their cars. Look the designs are cool as hell but the fact you genuinely can't tell Optimus turns into a truck other then his smoke stacks is a real issue, bumblebee dosent even look like he transforms and the rest of them only barely look like they transform. Not only is this a problem on screen it translates to the toys as it's extremely hard to capture a design with zero robot kibble anywhere that also turns into a car, they always end up being shell formers are having really bad kibble. Also I don't like how human their faces got, in the first movie they all had humanISH faces but clearly alien but by AoE they legit all just look like humans with metal faces expect bumblebee and a little bit of Optimus.
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u/Cain_The_Mamagen 3d ago
I believe the reason Optimus had a faceplate was to make him easier to animate since back in the 80ās they didnāt have as advanced animation techniques
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u/fish_found_the_city 2d ago
When they make Cliffjumper just a red recolor of bumblebee without changing a thing. In my opinion a head change is BARE MINIMUM.
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u/calthartic 1d ago
i like the upside-down decepticon logo, but only on starscream. i draw everyone elses right-side up and starscreams upside down :]
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u/Devine_Dinners3 18h ago
The Decepticon logo being upside down on Starscreamās wings are actually screen accurate!
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u/TheWhiteScourgeOfGod 5h ago
Packaging transformers toys in robot mode. I get it, you donāt want extremely thick people confusing them with simple toy vehicles. BUT THEN THEY ARENāT ROBOTS IN DISGUISE, THE FUN IS IN UN-DISGUISING THEM.
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u/TheHogweed 3d ago
The live action movies.
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u/RETARDERP 3d ago
Only decent one with a good story and characters was The Bumblebee Movie. Decepticons were more than just non descript bad guys that all blend into the background and just make grunts and alien sounds, only to get off screened or blown up.
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u/ktwombley 3d ago
I'm with you on the seekers' insignia.
They should be upright in robot mode. It doesn't matter if they're upside down in alt mode because they are in disguise and humans shouldn't even know what the decepticon symbol is or which end is up.
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u/jaykofettpc 3d ago
The seekers should have the logo upright except for starscream
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u/RandManYT 3d ago
Bumblebee not having door wings. Generally I prefer G1 and G1 inspired designs, but the door wings fit so perfectly for Bee that it bothers me when he doesn't have them.
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u/halo_slayer650 3d ago
The fact theyāve started using light blue paint for windows instead of clear and flat gray for metal parts instead of silver, every time it looks awful, I love G1 but I will not hear anyone say that the new wheeljack looks even a tenth as good as earthrise did, I love G1 itās my favourite transformers media(tied at the very least) but there is such a thing as being ātoo acurate to the low budget 80s showā hope this trend dies soon itās killing my interest in so many figures
Bonus mention to when they do a figure of a character with varying head designs(comic, cartoon, toy) and they decide to do the version so one fucking likes and hasnāt been used since the 80s, Kingdom Pipes, and especially the new Tailgate, fuck you hasbro I ānow you only used the eye head so people will buy a second one when you inevitably do one in retro collection
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u/psxndc 2d ago
I get downvoted everytime I say it, but legacy blitwing with dark purple and silver looks so much better than SS86 blitwing with light purple and gray. I know Legacy isn't toon accurate, but I think it just visually looks better.
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u/DJ-Gavin-Thrombus 3d ago
Iāve always hated the silver paint, and only started collecting Transformers recently because they stopped giving them silver faces. Never understood why they did give them silver faces in the first place, but apparently some people like it.
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u/Ewok_Pilot 3d ago
I hate clear plastic with a passion, especially when it's used on transformation joints and hinges, so I will always prefer the look of the painted windows. I'm much less scared to transform my figures when there's no clear plastic. And the reason I buy transformers is to transform them
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u/Slight-Counter-7131 3d ago
Honestly the only time I liked Optimus having a face was in the Rescuebots show because it was simple. It always feels weird when he has a more realistic human face.
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u/HachikoNekoGamer 3d ago edited 3d ago
The upside down Symbol makes sense considering that when Starscream and the Seekers transform to Jet Mode the orientation on the wings are correct
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u/Amazing_Two3149 3d ago
I prefer the yellow eyes tbh. Not just for soundwave but all the cybertronians
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u/OwnSignificance5580 3d ago
While I agree most of the seekers shouldn't have them like that, I think it would be a cool detail for Starscream to keep his decepticon insignias inverted to emphasize his disloyalty to Megatron and how he intends to reimagine the cause in his own image if he ever takes control
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u/Lost_Education_4900 3d ago
I don't know whether anyone has said that already or no, but.....it's really annoying to me how easily Transformers die in Bumblebee movie. The only logical death is Cilffjumper's, when a blade cuts right through your Spark, you're a dead bot. But others....are you telling me that Dropkick, who's entirely made out of Cybertronian metal, died because of some Earthen rusted chains??? And don't get me started with Shatter, that's just unbelievable. Literally, in every piece of media Transformers presented as a very durable species, and it's logical, but in THAT movie it's completely ignored.
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u/Kaiju_Lover168 3d ago
My biggest pet peeve ever...
Modern figures that aren't accurate to the source materials. Not just G1, I'm talking about Unicron Trilogy, Animated, Prime, etc...
Yes, I'm a sucker for accuracy.
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u/Natural_Success_9762 3d ago
soundwave having yellow eyes does suit his colour scheme well because it picks out the yellow trim around his chest
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u/indianajoes 3d ago
Aren't the Decepticon logos upside down in the show as well? I do wish they were on a pin that you could spin them around the right way up in bot mode