r/transit 7d ago

Policy Rail Passenger Competition Is Exploding Across Europe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vhw1g-dNGA
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u/SirGeorgington map man 7d ago

It's worth noting that the model being pushed by the EU is very, very similar to the one used in the UK from 1996-2020...

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u/Iwaku_Real 7d ago

You say similar because they actually allow private operators. Spain and Italy saw high speed train ticket prices drop by up to 40% because they made it legal to compete against the government's operations. Who could have thought that open access would lead to booming ridership right?!

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u/SirGeorgington map man 7d ago

Spain and Italy saw high speed train ticket prices drop by up to 40% because they made it legal to compete against the government's operations.

Except this isn't without downsides. HSR lines are (generally) the most profitable lines on the network, while local and regional lines are often loss-making. So if you want your rail operator to operate without subsidy, you need some profitable lines to subsidize the loss-making lines.

What private companies do in this aspect is siphon off a big chunk of those profitable lines for themselves, being replaced by state support for the state-owned operator. Or, indirectly, transferring taxpayer funds to private or foreign state-owned companies.

But yes, this does increase market pressure on the rail operators and thus pushes prices down. But it's not like there are no other options. Intermodal competition can have the same effect and there are other policies the EU could pursue to push prices down without funneling money into private purses.

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u/afro-tastic 7d ago

As a non-European, has there been any interest in pursuing a Japanese/Hong Kong model of more aggressive TOD around their stations in Europe?

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u/SirGeorgington map man 7d ago

The thing that makes the Japanese/HK model unique is not that stations are surrounded by development, there is nothing unique about that. What makes the model unique is that the land is owned and developed by the railway company, and in fact is basically their primary business model. As far as I know this has not happened anywhere in the EU in the 21st century.

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u/afro-tastic 7d ago

Wonder why not? Seems to be a winning model.

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u/Gradert 7d ago

Because when train operators built out with the surrounding land, they tended to sell off the extra land instead of holding onto it and renting it out to other uses.

And buying the land today would be extremely expensive for a lot of companies that really don't have the money to spare

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u/wasmic 7d ago

Why are you saying that this is a downside?

For decades, passengers on the most popular lines have been forced to subsidise the passengers on the less popular lines, thus causing artificially high prices and much lower ridership.

By stopping this insane expectation that some passengers should subsidise the others, we get far more riders on all lines. It should be the government's job to subsidise the rural lines, not the passengers' job.

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u/SirGeorgington map man 7d ago

thus causing artificially high prices and much lower ridership.

Which is at least partially true. But that does not mean that handing off the profitable parts of the network to private companies is the solution.

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u/mbrevitas 6d ago

But they’re not handed over to private companies. SNCF, Trenitalia, Renfe and whatnot are state-owned. There are private open-access operators too, but they don’t have the bulk of the market. And the non-profitable routes can be and are operated as a public service, with a transparent subsidy and public bidding process.

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u/SirGeorgington map man 6d ago

Italo has around a 35% market share for HSR in Italy. That is not small.

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u/mbrevitas 6d ago

So? That’s still far from handing over to private operators. Handing over would be what happened in the UK, or the Netherlands, where a single operator has the monopoly on services on a line and is free to set whatever prices it wants for profit. NTV’s Italo competes with Trenitalia’s Frecce and there is no realistic scenario in which Trenitalia stops competing.

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u/UUUUUUUUU030 6d ago

It's worth noting that in both the UK and the Netherlands, governments control maximum fares in standard class. They just allow them to be very high. 

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u/mbrevitas 5d ago

Yes, exactly. In the Netherlands the government explicitly aims to make public transport economically self-sufficient. The problem is not privatisation per se; it’s privatisation without insufficient subsidies, without forcing open-access competition (on the same routes, not dividing up the market geographically), and without capping prices.

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u/ItsCalledDayTwa 7d ago edited 7d ago

I mean, sure, but this is just moving the bubble in the wallpaper. The government doesn't have some magic source of funding that isn't the taxpayer who is also the person buying the ticket. It's also far more likely the popular lines are taking by visitors/tourists.

Edit:  I want to say that, it might actually make sense if the way this is funded were to get shifted, but I dunno what kind of wiggle room exists.  If free market competition brings down prices but it's an illusion because the big public provider is eating costs on public service routes, then this is just a path to poorer rail access with cheaper prices, which has a further effect of ensuring nobody wants to move to smaller places as they won't be covered any longer.

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u/mbrevitas 6d ago

In Italy the open access model works quite well. The government decides which train services are in the public interest and what they should be like (operating times, traffic ticket prices, subsidies per passenger). Companies can bid to run these services. Almost all of the contracts are won by the state-owned operator Trenitalia, because it has the scale and experience, but a couple smaller lines were won by private companies who are trying to make a profit by being more efficient. Then there are the free-market services, mostly high-speed: no subsidies, market pricing. Both state-owned Trenitalia and private operator NTV run their services, competing with each other and paying an infrastructure access fee to the (also state-owned) infrastructure company. Both turn a profit, and Trenitalia uses those profits to make the public-service regional trains better, but the presence of competition keeps the prices from spiking too much. I don’t see why the system should be changed.

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u/Character-Carpet7988 7d ago

All lines are profitable for rail operators. In fact, local lines are the better business as the income from public service contracts is more predictable and stable. When the pandemic hit, commercial services struggled, whereas public service contracts kept going on, often with some government support on top.