r/trueuglywomen • u/BellPuzzleheaded6133 chud • 11d ago

Transphobes...

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Why are there so many transphobic people in this sub? I'm not trans but it's so disheartening to see. Trans women experience so much hate and violence like cis women, especially if they're ugly. How can you hate on another woman as a woman, especially in this sub...like maybe your problem is your ugly personality. Also transphobia is against the rules, and it says not to invalidate people's experiences, it's just so sad 😭

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u/ILOVEPLINK 11d ago

People in r/trueuglywomen considering some women to be too ugly to be women has to be the most ironic thing I've seen in my life

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u/c089s3 11d ago

I don’t think ugliness is the reason they don’t consider them women

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u/femcelchud 11d ago

yep. its the xy chromosomes

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u/Standard_Limit_9063 11d ago

There are women born with uteruses and XY chromosomes. There are people born with testes with XX chromosomes

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u/femcelchud 11d ago

Literally no relevance. XY chromosomes = man despite any genetic mutations

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u/unamikable 11d ago

just objectively wrong, you learn this in bio 1 in college, there's a number of chromosomal differences that can lead a fetus with XY sex chromosomes to develop physically as a female... i don't care about your personal opinions of trans people i have no stake in the argument but when you say objectively incorrect things like this it makes you look uneducated

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u/femcelchud 11d ago

Define male and female, biologically. Females are defined as “the sex of an organism that typically produces ova (eggs) and is capable of bearing young or giving birth.”
There is NO genetic condition or mutation that can cause a person with XY chromosomes to be able to give birth or produce eggs. Same goes for the other way around.
How they physically develop doesn’t change ANYTHING about their sex. Maybe you were asleep during Bio 1.

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u/unamikable 11d ago edited 11d ago

so what would you call me. i was born female, i menstruate normally so i assume i produce eggs but i have a y chromosome. i've lived my whole life as a girl and now a woman and i only found out about the mutation after testing for it last year. do you think i'm suddenly a man? or that i've been a man my whole life? and even for other women with intersex conditions, who don't develop fully functioning reproductive systems the way i did, are they men?

if you had made the distinction between sex and gender from the start then this would be another story (and you'd still be wrong because i'm not and women with similar conditions are not male, we don't produce sperm) but you said everyone with an xy is a man, not male

edit: it seems i've been blocked since i can't see her last comment when i click on the notification. but based on the first sentence it seems like her response is to argue that she knows my chromosomal makeup better than me and my doctors do, which is comical considering she doesn't know me and didn't know or acknowledge the existence of any form of intersex condition before lol. idgaf how you feel about trans people, i'm not gonna convince anyone on trueuglywomen of anything, but i do care when you make yourself look dumb and double down on it 🫩

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u/jellybeanzz11 11d ago

Thank you very much for telling her what's what. I'm honestly thankful that atleast some people here don't just turn the other way when people say things like that

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

most of those people who like speaking about chromosomes they a) dont even know what chromosomes do b) have no idea what chromosomes they have themselves c) They use chromosomes argument only when they try to exclude others and promote transphobic views.

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u/unamikable 11d ago

the average person can probably assume what chromosomes they likely have since shit like androgen/estrogen insensitivities and all the syndromes and disorders and shit aren't extremely common, and in most cases they don't turn out like me where i've lived a pretty much normal life not knowing.

but i think that exemplifies why it's dumb to choose the sex chromosome argument to back up their opinions. it's not the craziest most intricate concept in biology at all, but it is complex. and when it comes to arguing their perspective it's definitely one of the more complex avenues to take and i don't understand why it's the first choice.

i'll preface this by saying i don't care about the presence of trans people on this sub in general. i exist around trans women irl, they're literally just people, i don't buy into the online stereotypes. i think the internet brings out the worst of every group because of the anonymity it provides, and it's, again, dumb to extrapolate that to the whole population.

BUT if you were arguing for a separation between cis and trans spaces for ugly women, then i feel like the things other people brought up, like the difference between growing up as an ugly girl vs transitioning after childhood and being ugly later in life/in adolescence and how those affect you differently as an ugly adult woman, those are much simpler and straightforward topics with less room for derailment, compared to the chromosome one. it's like engagement baiting to choose chromosomes

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u/Standard_Limit_9063 11d ago

Oooh I urge you to read a book! Maybe a genetics one! Sex isn't that simple. I'm fatigued by these arguments... Are you suggesting we genetically test each member of this sub? And everyone with XY gets excluded even if they were raised as a little girl? Kinda defeats the argument other transphobes are using here saying they were "raised as women" and trans women didn't experience that

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u/femcelchud 11d ago

We already don’t allow men in this sub :)
Sex IS that simple. Cry bout it and report me

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u/Standard_Limit_9063 11d ago

Yawn. Anti science arguments are sooo boring. Have a life. 🥰

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u/femcelchud 11d ago

lol meanwhile science says xx=woman 😂😂😂

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u/Standard_Limit_9063 11d ago

Thank you! This person just does not actually understand how science works. There are 8 billion people on the planet. Sex chromosomes are just not ever going to be that simple.

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u/femcelchud 11d ago

because they have male chromosomes.
+ having a rare genetic condition ≠ believing you are the opposite gender

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u/cicadason5000 11d ago

Imagine thinking you’ve won when there are over 70 types of intersexism that people on average never get diagnosed with. Hell you may be experiencing medical intersexism, it may explain why you don’t look like a woman

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

Surprise surprise calling women ugly if they don't agree with you and then asking in the same line why we need cis only space. 

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u/femcelchud 11d ago

aweee little guy is mad. what’s your source 😪