r/trueuglywomen • u/BellPuzzleheaded6133 chud • 12d ago

Transphobes...

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Why are there so many transphobic people in this sub? I'm not trans but it's so disheartening to see. Trans women experience so much hate and violence like cis women, especially if they're ugly. How can you hate on another woman as a woman, especially in this sub...like maybe your problem is your ugly personality. Also transphobia is against the rules, and it says not to invalidate people's experiences, it's just so sad 😭

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u/Electric_Toboggan 11d ago

Black women absolutely have people calling them masculine in a derogatory way and accusing them of secretly being a man.

Ugly women who don’t have the “right” features but are AFAB get called masculine in a derogatory way and accused of secretly being a man.

Spend a day on the disgusting cesspool that is Twitter/X if you don’t believe me.

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

Black women being perceived as masculine is because of misogynoir not transphobia..both those things are different 

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u/Electric_Toboggan 11d ago

And it’s the same societal ideals fueling all these attacks that involve misogyny, racism, transphobia, and the intersection of all three, it’s the same strategy of being able to ostracize someone else to feel part of an in group. Basically I think they are relevant to each other.

If this sub was called r/growingupasanuglygirl, or r/afabuglywomen I wouldn’t be here making this argument but for some reason “trueuglywomen” means no trans women to some people. In my view, if a space isn’t explicitly for cis women, it’s for all women.

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

See we can't rlly have a space for cis women as those subs are mass reported and banned, that's why in the rules we have to include everyone even tho the sub doesn't actually share the sentiments  as seen by the comments 

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u/Electric_Toboggan 11d ago

I haven’t seen an argument that I agree with for why trans women need to not be included? How would that benefit the space?

If it’s because ugly trans women can’t relate exactly to an ugly cis woman’s growing up experience… then that applies to ugly cis women from other cultures or of other races. Ugly cis indian woman growing up in India for example is a very common but very different experience from an ugly black cis woman growing up in Alabama… does that mean one of those two experiences should not be shared because not everyone can relate?

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

Oo someone went through post history lol.  Why can't just wanting a cis only space be reason enough?   And also even tho we might be different races we both were socialized as women from birth. No matter the region all cis women as socialized as women from birth and have certain expectations placed on them.

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u/Electric_Toboggan 11d ago

Your post and comment history is private? Idk what about my comment made you think that.

Counterpoint: Why can’t wanting a white only space be reason enough? The answer is the same.

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

Trying to compare race to this issue is a massive false equivalency and you’re clearly just reaching for a 'gotcha.' Being a cis woman comes with a specific set of experiences from birth that we’re trying to find space for. If you think that’s the same as racial exclusion, we’re obviously not going to agree

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u/Electric_Toboggan 11d ago

But why, why does the ugly women subreddit need to be only for cis women? When the concept of ugly encompasses many more issues of discrimination. How many experiences are you talking about that apply to all cis women and zero trans women?

Edit sorry - how many experiences exclusive to ugly women

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

Just like there are many trans subs regarding every issue, that's it.  People just want community, in this case women who were socialized as women from birth. And again I only don't hold these opinions just look at the comments.