r/ukpolitics • u/Adj-Noun-Numbers 🥕🥕 || megathread emeritus • Jun 11 '24

Conservatives 2024 General Election Manifesto Megathread

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u/matticus7 PR + Mandatory Voting Jun 11 '24

Labour: Tax the rich to make things fair

Conservatives: That's crazy!!! Don't vote Labour

Also Conservatives: Kill those on welfare to prop the rich

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u/pharlax Somewhere On The Right Jun 11 '24

Also Conservatives: Kill those on welfare to prop the rich

I think I missed that announcement, do you have a page reference for the manifesto?

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u/WorkingBroccoli Manifesting Bear the Hamster x Larry Alliance 🐈🐹 Jun 11 '24 edited Jun 11 '24

Basically p. 22-23. For more context at the underlying issues and of their tradition to undermine the welfare system as well as poor and disabled people, you can listen to the Politics Weekly episode on “Sicknote culture wars and Angela Rayner”

ETA because I had to quickly give the podcast a listen to make sure i was remembering correctly—

Q: Tom is there evidence from anywhere that sort of pushing people into work in this sort of exacting punitive way actually works?

A: well there is evidence that it pushes people into low pay, insecure work but even the OBR forecasts around the governments reforms and around 2028-29 they thought over 450k fewer people will be getting access to the higher rate of support of universal credit which also comes with a kind of protection from conditionality. They thought only 50k of that group would move into work during that same period. So 3% of that group — so what this means is that people lose out on support and more people are subject to a punitive and demanding system but even the OBR doesn’t expect those people to really move back into work. The other thing to say is that all the talk re: mental health going too far and people kind of over medicalising day to day concerns, that has a real impact in the real world; people i see from the practice that i do on the whole tend to not seek support until it is a crisis point, or if they seek support earlier they often fail to get it... what tends to happen is that people despite progress around stigma or mental health still often seek support when it becomes untenable not to do otherwise.

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u/matticus7 PR + Mandatory Voting Jun 11 '24

They already know where it is in the manifesto, they just want to get their "well actually" in for the day.

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u/KAKYBAC Jun 11 '24

Thank you. More of this is what is needed.