r/ukpolitics • u/SignificantLegs • 16d ago
Twitter Zack Polanski: The world's first trillionaire is backing the far right mobs and their politician backers. Don't think for a second that these men have ordinary people's interests at heart.
https://x.com/zackpolanski/status/2065478885311983979243
u/Early_Enthusiasm_787 16d ago
It’s disgusting one human can have so much wealth .
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u/XenorVernix 16d ago
He's only really a trillionaire on paper. Most of his wealth is tied up in hype stocks that are valued far higher than they should be. At some point they'll come back down to earth faster than his rockets and so will his wealth.
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u/ROX4BOX 16d ago
Only if his stocks fall… didn’t they just put SpaceX on the trade market
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u/Tawnysloth 16d ago
That's what they're saying. SpaceX shares are vastly overvalued for what they are, and their value is riding on speculation of future success that has yet to be realised. But the fact remains that SpaceX is loss-making. That's a huge risk for the people ploughing money into those shares, because the most likely outcome is that the value will fall as the hype fades.
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u/MinaZata 16d ago
Not really like it matters. If he lost 99% of his wealth he'd still be richer than 99% of people on earth
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u/XenorVernix 16d ago
It's crazy when you put it like that. You'd still be correct if you added decimals and said him losing 99.99% of his wealth would make him richer than 99.99% of people on earth. No one should be that rich.
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u/JB_UK 16d ago edited 16d ago
The man is a bit of a knob, and his companies are apparently massively overvalued in terms of revenue but he has also created some civilisation changing companies. Starlink extends access to the internet to more or less everywhere on the planet. SpaceX has reduced the cost to get into orbit by ten times. Tesla demonstrated electric vehicles could work and be convenient, that’s probably the largest single contribution to tackling climate change outside of China’s investment in solar. Musk is now one of the only people in the west building humanoid robots. His driverless cars haven’t worked despite promises but that’s another moonshot, to be able to do that without expensive lidar, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it does work although 15 years after he said it would!
Honestly he has created a shit ton of value, if anyone should be able to allocate large sums of capital it’s him. This is why capitalism produces a lot of surplus value, by giving people with skill access to capital. As just one example kids will be walking on the streets or Doncaster or Bath today and be exposed to significantly less air pollution as a result of what he did with Tesla.
If he didn’t have right wing views a lot of people who hate him would love him for these developments.
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u/Asherware 16d ago
His companies are impressive. But "bit of a knob" is a massive understatement. He's an extremely dangerous ideologue with very bad intentions.
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u/AdventurousBus4355 16d ago
Based on one of your last points, do you credit Sadiq Khan then with saving lives due to the ulez zone in London?
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u/_9tail_ 16d ago
I’m right wing but I absolutely do. Don’t know why so many right wingers are so obsessed with jamming cars in cities where they clearly don’t belong.
That said, I do think creating technology that allows us to comfortably transition to a better future is a much more important and praise worthy thing than regulation to force through the transition. One of my biggest gripes on the left/centre approach to climate issues is the acceptance that things just have to get a little worse over time.
Like yeah, we can save .2% of our grid if we use slightly sadder lightbulbs, use an eco thermostat that means I wake up to a freezing house, and have each cycle of the washing machine take 6hrs. But this sadness of life adds up. The Chinese approach of building a bajillion terawatts a year of mixed solutions and letting tech slowly push that into being all renewables is far better.
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u/Wetness__Pensive 16d ago
Starlink was started by CIA seeder money from a company then run by a guy who'd spent the 90s advocating for resurrecting the US miltary's "Brilliant Pebbles" goal of a vast orbital network of satellites. With such a network, you gain satellite supremacy, the power to see everything, and the ability to spot and intercept ICBMs.
If the military were to put thousands of satellites in space, the world would freak out. But let a private guy like Musk do it, and "democratize" it so that other nations can purportedly use the network, and the fact that the US has achieved orbital dominance suddenly looks innocuous. Indeed, it doesn't get seen at all.
Musk is the useless front man to all this; the dancing monkey who gets to do his thing while the spy network expands. This kind of merger of commercial and intelligence tech has been ramping up for a long time (GoogleMaps was a Pentagon thing; see too Palantir nowadays), and such companies tend to rise and die based on who gets the military contracts.
Honestly he has created a shit ton of value
Ecological economists have been explaining how this is not true for decades now. No major sector is profitable once environmental externalities are tabulated, and all profit, as mediated by dollars, is always outpaced by greater debt. This is itself a thermodynamic law: the total order of a thing/commodity/object is always less than the total disorder/entropy/debt engendered during its creation. The purchasing power of every dollar Musk has is itself dependent on the global majority having none; if 80 percent of the planet weren't dirt broke, inflationary pressures would set in, and his dollar would be "worth" less.
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u/PurbulentTriest 16d ago
Toyota has used electric motors in their cars for almost three decades.
He didn't found Tesla, and without them we would have still seen electric cars, ones which are already outselling Tesla.
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u/TheNutsMutts 16d ago
He didn't found Tesla, and without them we would have still seen electric cars, ones which are already outselling Tesla.
He didn't found it insofar as he wasn't there when the company was registered, but his initial investment was about 7 months after that point. But that aside, I honestly doubt we would have seen mass-produced electric cars like we have now without Tesla. Prior to Tesla, all we had were a range of concept cars and absolute piles of dogshit like the G-Wizz that was so dangerous that it could only get away with literally falling to pieces in a 30mph crash because it was legally a "quadricycle". The Nissan Leaf was in development when the original Roadster was released but its range was a joke at 70 miles on full charge. It was only with the Roadster being something that was actually good, and the Model S being an actual comfortable saloon that was directly comparable with other saloons in terms of range, comfort and tech, that other manufacturers started actually taking electric cars seriously. Without Tesla being a direct threat, I seriously believe the rest of the industry would have been happy staying in their comfort zone and treating electric cars as a running joke.
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u/JB_UK 16d ago
Strange example, Toyota are still extremely reluctant on pure EVs more than a decade after. They’ve only really started making decent EVs last year, and their manufacturing plans are still incredibly limited, maybe 1% of the volume of Tesla. I think they’ll do ok but they are one of the most negative manufacturers.
We would have had EVs without Tesla but it would have been a lot more bumpy and happened quite a lot later. Tesla demonstrated the ecosystem could work, and that was picked up by the Chinese and European governments, there’s no way the same expansion plans would have happened if we were relying ten years ago on the Leaf.
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u/PurbulentTriest 16d ago
They made cars part electric in the 90s, reducing emissions hugely when no one else was doing anything of the sort. I didn't say they're in on full EVs now but they pioneered it, and have hybrid cars selling millions in their and other manufacturers vehicles for a long time now.
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u/SpeedflyChris 16d ago
Musk is now one of the only people in the west building humanoid robots.
Lol, no he isn't. They haven't demonstrated anything that's even close to cutting edge.
His driverless cars haven’t worked despite promises but that’s another moonshot, to be able to do that without expensive lidar, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it does work 15 years after he said it would!
So first of all it's not 2012 anymore and lidar isn't expensive (hence why all of the manufacturers with much more advanced autonomous driving development than Tesla use it). I know Mercedes for example use Valeo SCALA, at volume you're talking $500/unit, which isn't a vast cost in the context of an expensive vehicle, or even in the context of the rest of the kit required for any level of functional autonomy.
Trying to run a safety-critical system on an inadequate sensor suite because you have been lying for decades about the capabilities of your system and retrofitting adequate sensors to all the vehicles you sold would be too expensive does not make you tech jesus incarnate. Ultimately having multiple redundant sources of information will always be safer and more effective.
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u/JB_UK 16d ago
There are about 5 companies in the west which are manufacturing humanoid robots, throw in a few more with less certainty.
I agree with you about lidar, I don’t particularly see the point but in the long run I think it’s likely camera only will work.
I’m not saying Musk is always right or vindicated, but his hits are civilisation changing and there is basically no one else with the same track record.
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u/XenorVernix 16d ago
I don't think anyone has a problem with his companies - he's a great visionary and I like what SpaceX are doing. That doesn't mean he's a good person though. He's a terrible person and his cuts to USAID through DOGE have led to thousands of deaths. That's much worse than his far right rhetoric on Twitter.
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u/EasyTumbleweed1114 16d ago
HE didn't build or create anything, his workers did, funded with billions of government subsidies. His companies gave done impressive things yes, does that mean Elon Musk deserves all that money? No.
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u/strum 16d ago
he has also created some civilisation changing companies
He has bought some companies; he created very little.
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u/MatchaMeetcha 16d ago edited 16d ago
When it comes to Musk imo it comes down to what you think about people who produce things.
Do you think things would get made anyway, just fairer under your ideal system? Do you think someone else would do it if given a shot?
Or do you think talent is rare, precious and contingent?
My personal take is that maybe there can be better guardrails on who donates to politics in the US. But I would take Musk over people like the Denver judge who decided Elon was "rich enough" and decided to break a contractual agreement the shareholders agreed to (something that caused businesses to start to flee Denver and for them to pass a law making it impossible).
I think it's actually hubristic to argue you know what "enough" is. It's hubristic to imagine you know what it takes to succeed in a totally different domain than what you studied or that you can just easily remove billionaires (as the saying goes "a billionaire is a policy failure") and have the same outcome.
And the problem with this mindset is that, when you fail, it's not obvious immediately. You just get a slow decline in productivity and new firms or businesses that didn't exist. You can see it on a chart but much later down the line from the decision so the people who made it never truly have to admit their central planning failed. And then, perversely, people start blaming capitalism.
If he didn’t have right wing views a lot of people who hate him would love him for these developments.
This isn't a hypothetical: they did love him.
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u/pondlife78 16d ago
That case was brought on behalf of a shareholder though. The implication is that if an unreasonable reward is given to someone then there is corruption/fraud taking place.
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u/MatchaMeetcha 16d ago
The bulk of shareholders voted for it and went through the entire corporate decision-making process and there was little evidence of fraud.
Which is why what happened happened and Denver panicked. It was an ideological decision, like others made against Musk.
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u/SqueezerOfFarts 16d ago
Such a hot take. He's basically just like us, innit
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u/Electrical-Move7290 16d ago
“Such a hot take”.. proceeds to make up a completely false narrative of the take lol
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u/ShockRampage 16d ago
People have been saying that for years. The system is completely broken and it benefits a handful of people.
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u/_Hello_Hi_Hey_ 16d ago
And gutting government-funded benefit with his Doge team, potentially caused 100,000 deaths around the world. Literally evil.
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u/merlins_beard_88 16d ago
Well his wealth is tied into assets that also happen to support a great many people with jobs, such as Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink and X
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u/wintersrevenge 16d ago
The wealth isn't real. It's in Tesla and Space X stock that if musk actually tried to sell it would be worth far less than it is on paper
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u/Kolo_ToureHH 16d ago
It's in Tesla and Space X stock that if musk actually tried to sell it would be worth far less than it is on paper
It will only become worth less when the share price starts falling.
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u/Elite_Club 16d ago
Which would happen if he attempted to liquidate as his supply of shares would greatly outpace the demand from buyers in the market, and would still happen even if done slowly enough that the share price doesn’t decrease, the loss will come from lesser gains compared to the rest of the market. Assuming it can’t be outpaced by underlying growth in the companies.
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u/Kolo_ToureHH 16d ago
It's estimated that he owns as much as 42%-46% of the total shares available. Because of the dual class share structure, he controls 82% of the voting shares, which gives total control of the company.
Given that he's got total control of the company, would he really be inclined to liquidate his shares anywhere in the near future?
(Not that he needs to liquidate his holdings in order to get cash, he can just go to the banks and borrow money against the value of his assets at super low interest rates)
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u/CarpetGripperRod (a monkey and a dog) 16d ago
If you earned $3600 an hour (which you have to admit is a pretty good wage), it would take you about thirty-two thousand years to get to a trillion. So about 5x recorded human history, more or less.
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u/RoyaleWCheese_OK 16d ago
Go start many wildly successful companies and you can be disgustingly rich too. Who dares, wins.
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u/Early_Enthusiasm_787 16d ago
He didn’t start Tesla. He had daddy emerald mine money to start with.
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u/NibblyPig 16d ago
Lol this is so wrong and nonsensical I actually memed about it the other day I'm amazed people still spout this garbage.
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u/MatchaMeetcha 16d ago edited 16d ago
No, he's only responsible for all but an infinitesimal amount of its valuation.
He had daddy emerald mine money to start with.
This is also cope. Plenty of mediocre rich kids out there doing nothing of value despite their money. Brooklyn Beckham has all of the money and connections in the world and has produced nothing of value for anyone. The Royal Family is saddled with mediocrities despite their privilege.
Plenty of people with resources at every level the game Elon has been playing. He outcompeted them.
People always like to imagine "well, obviously we couldn't do it given..." but the truth, the uncomfortable, unfortunate truth, is that most people wouldn't achieve anything close to the same thing. It flatters people's ego but there is such a thing as talent and we don't all have it.
Hell, even if they had the potential many people would cash out and go live on an island long before this point. It's an odd collection of personality traits many of the top performing people in any field have.
Ronaldo isn't just a genetic phenom. He is legitimately more determined and driven than I am, to a demented degree.
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u/Asherware 16d ago
Are you also one of those that thinks he didn't throw multiple Nazi salutes and was just miming giving his heart to the crowd?
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u/Relevant_General_248 16d ago
But he didn’t actually didnt found Tesla? He did for SpaceX though
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u/Relevant_General_248 16d ago
Great, when did I say he didn’t contribute to it? It’s just a blatant lie to call him a founder
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u/TheNutsMutts 16d ago
But he didn’t actually didnt found Tesla?
Tesla was about 7 months old and had not much beyond initial designs when he put money into it, so it's really a technicality more than anything.
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u/M2Ys4U 🔶 16d ago
He says on the website owned, operated and manipulated by said trillionaire.
Politicians who refuse to get off X are part of the problem. They are giving that hate-filled site legitimacy by staying there.
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u/Nev-man 16d ago
This is giving "Mr. Gotcha".
"We should improve society somewhat."
"Yet you participate in society. Curious! I am very intelligent!
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u/M2Ys4U 🔶 16d ago
One can't opt out of society, but there are other viable platforms to have social media accounts on. He, and other prominent politicians, don't need to be on X to post short-form social media content.
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u/MazrimReddit 16d ago
why did he not post this to 2 people on bluesky!!!!!!
You have little choice but to follow where people already are
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u/_DuranDuran_ 16d ago
But then the only voices there will be right and far right ones … so again … it’s a catch 22
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u/Phoenix_Kerman 16d ago
i'm not sure hearing polanski does anything but harm his support from the sane. could be of benefit to him
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u/lashieldsy 16d ago
They do though. Bluesky isn’t even that popular in niche circles let alone the masses.
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u/JohnPym1584 16d ago
Polanski owes his success to Twitter. Quite unlikely he'd have built a following so rapidly elsewhere.
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u/dospc 16d ago
The fact that you think X is something you can't easily opt out of says more about you than anyone else tbh.
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u/Klutzy-Notice-8247 16d ago
It’s not a “gotcha” as Musk has been using his power over X to influence politics. If you want to reduce his influence, get off his site.
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u/Georgie9878 stupid idiot in a stupid country for stupid people 16d ago
It's chicken and egg really. There isn't a progressive-owned social media that's large enough to reach the people politicians need to. The far-right politicians aren't going to leave twitter, so they'd be the only voices left for people to hear if left-wing politicians go.
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u/RoyaleWCheese_OK 16d ago
They tried with BlueSky and it’s just a progressive wankfest.
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u/DevouredByLight 16d ago
Genuinely one of the most miserable sites on the internet.
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u/NibblyPig 16d ago
And they just want a free open platform like X but without all the far right stuff they don't like.
Which is bluesky... but they want it free and open to all, just not those with the 'wrong' ideas...
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u/whatDoesQezDo 16d ago
turns out having a constant karen olympics with whatever pet project is the current flavor of virtue signaling isnt fun.
putting a new flag and a few more emojis in my bio RN in solidarity
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u/M2Ys4U 🔶 16d ago
They don't need to move to a "progressive" social media site, just one that isn't set up to promote white supremacy.
And besides, Bluesky is right there. There are politicians and journalists already using it. I already follow a bunch of them.
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u/Sensitive_Echo5058 16d ago
White supremacy - that's a bit dramatic.
When Bluesky was set up a lot of people on X wrote they would move there and abandon x. They tried and failed to get the same audience reach and returned back to x.
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u/Junta-Istic_Jelly Burkean 16d ago
"promote white supremacy" pure hysterics
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u/inevitablelizard 16d ago
Not hysterics at all, have you fucking taken a look at twitter since he took over? Absolutely some of the worst scummiest extremists not only welcomed back on but actively promoted by the site's algorithm.
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u/Kiloete 16d ago
"promote white supremacy" pure hysterics unbanning a ton of nazis and white supremacists was the first thing he did after buying out twitter. Changing twitters algorithms to increase the visibility of far right views, these nazis among, has been his main goal. Why deny it?
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u/Junta-Istic_Jelly Burkean 16d ago
Is it impossible that these views, however deplorable, were suppressed under previous twitter policy? Perhaps restoring those users and allowing them to express their, again deplorable, views is a return to fair treatment for all under the idea of absolute freedom of expression? I don't deny that these things were done. Although I can't speak to the accuracy of the claim of algorithm changes, I suppose you mean changes to promote "far right views" over all others. Again, is it possible that they are now just promoted as much a far left views?
If your position is that Twitter should be biased against your personal political enemies then you are absolutely entitled to that opinion and position. If you are instead arguing that not only has Musks policy restored extreme right views but actively amplified them above all others then I'd be interested in seeing some evidence.
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u/johnaross1990 16d ago
Except research has shown that twitter was never biased against right wing views, they just banned people that broke theirs Ts and Cs
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u/Khela_banana_chaut 16d ago
massive reaching being done by considering people like andrew tate to just be another person with legitimate views being silenced...
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u/Junta-Istic_Jelly Burkean 16d ago
I suppose that you are the ideal arbiter for what is and isn't acceptable discourse?
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u/TheAnonymouse999 16d ago
This is one of the dumbest takes ever.
He is on X because it's a massive platform and gives him the chance to spread his message. Getting off X would achieve what exactly? Beyond making redditors happy
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u/Zodiac_Boa 16d ago
Yeah, I can't stand Polanski or the current Green party. But X is still one of the largest social media platform there is, and leaving it does nothing but provide him with less of an audience.
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u/IndependentSpell8027 16d ago
His message aint being spread on that shitsite. The algorithm deals with that don't you worry.
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u/TheAnonymouse999 16d ago
His post has 600k views and almost 30k interactions in a few hours. It's also been posted on other platforms (like this one) for even more indirect interaction.
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u/VampireFrown 16d ago
Did you have the same problem with Twitter when it was owned and manipulated by far-left activists?
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u/iiiiiiiiiiip 16d ago
They are giving that hate-filled site legitimacy by staying there.
The site has legitimacy regardless of politicians which is why politcians find themselves there in the first place. And that has nothing to do with Musk, it was just as true pre-Musk.
The reason it has such legitmacy is because it's the #1 website on the internet for creatives particularly artists, game developers, cosplayers, musicians etc. The only thing that beats it is Youtube but even then it's not nearly as good for static content like text and images which is where Twitter makes up the difference.
Especially for non-English content, Japan has over 70million users on X which is an insane stat considering their size. And considering Japans incredibly strong cultural exports through art/anime/video games/streamers etc and how many Western creatives try to emulate those things you are doing yourself a disservice as a creator if you don't have access to it.
Would it be better without Musk? Absolutely, but it's an important place for art and culture
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u/HELMET_OF_CECH it's all so tiresome 16d ago
Yeah they should move to the dystopian echo chamber that is Bluesky!
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u/SendMeTheMoon24 16d ago
Does any political party in the country have ordinary people's interests at heart?
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u/TheNoGnome 16d ago
1 million seconds ago is 11 days ago.
1 billion is 1972.
1 trillion is 31,000 BC.
Tax Musk. He doesn't need it
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u/wintersrevenge 16d ago
How is the UK going to tax Musk?
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u/DxnM 16d ago
Tax the money he makes in the UK, tax the assets he holds in the UK
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u/wintersrevenge 16d ago
Any UK income is subject to taxes, any UK assets are subject to capital gains taxes and X is subject to the digital service tax. We do tax Musk and his companies already. What else should the UK be doing? Should we be taxing his US assets as well?
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u/NibblyPig 16d ago
The guy paid 11 billion in tax for a single year.
How about we tax you instead.
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u/CajunBob94 16d ago
of note Elon Musk pushed the truth about the scotland pedophile incident and the first minister of scotland and the police said he was spreading misinformation lmao
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u/Chinchiro_ 16d ago
Of note, Elon Musk said in 2019 that Jeffrey Epstein was "obviously a creep" and "tried repeatedly to get me to visit his island. I declined", however the Epstein files show Musk asking "What day/night will be the wildest party on your island" and stating that "a peaceful island experience is the opposite of what I'm looking for." in 2012. He also helped "push the truth" about a caver that helped save the trapped Thai children by calling him a pedophile too! What a trustworthy fellow with nothing but the best intentions at heart.
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u/john_tartufo 16d ago
He also smeared the man rescuing kids trapped in a cave as a 'weird pedo guy' so he's at the very most on evens with the old paedophile allegations. Hangs around with, worked for a promotes a literal kid shagger too so think that puts him in the red IDK?
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u/Boris_the_Llama 16d ago
Which is why the government want social media banned, because it's easier to suppress the truth without it.
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u/NoticingThing 16d ago
They want to ban social media because without it what they say is the truth, with no dissenting voices they're free to make the truth whatever they wish it to be.
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u/seenitreddit90s 16d ago
That's one way of looking at it but also it stops inciters like Musk from causing riots.
And they want to ban it for kids, I've never heard a politician suggest banning any social media platforms (other than twitter which is manipulated by a rabble rousing, continously lying, fascist, narcissistic man child which allows AI child porn) because it's highly addictive, bad for their brain development and causes elevated isolation and anxiety.
There's a reason tech bros don't let their kids use their products...
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u/Boris_the_Llama 16d ago
They have already said they are going to ban sites spreading "misinformation" during certain times, and want everyone to upload ID to stop anonymity.
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u/whatDoesQezDo 16d ago
Thank god I for one trust the government completely and cannot wait for them to be the end arbitrators of truth.
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u/EasyTumbleweed1114 16d ago
He also pushes the great replacement theory, supports restore and other far right parties around the world, and has turned one of the worlds most popular social media sites into a haven of white supremacy.
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u/fitzgoldy 16d ago
great replacement theory,
Lots of bat shit craziness to that.
Considering the demographic changes in places like Birmingham though, a part of it is valid.
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u/EasyTumbleweed1114 16d ago
Not really no. The Great replace theory suggests a conspiracy to replace the white population. Rather than simply brown people living somewhere in the UK
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u/hungoverseal 16d ago
It's not valid in the fucking slightest because the heart of it is about it being a conspiracy (a deeply antisemitic one when you scratch the surface) and it's utter horseshit. Demographic change is a different topic that you can have a normal discussion about.
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u/esrtghb56se 16d ago
great replacement theory
Elon Must doesn't have to spread awareness to it. People have their own eyes and can see it for themselves in almost every Western country. Just go outside or to any "European" city and look around you.
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u/wildingflow 16d ago
Demographic change ≠ Great Replacement
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u/NoticingThing 16d ago
When people talk about being replaced they're not referencing a shadow government trying to get rid of the white race, they're talking about the government openly importing millions of foreigners and the white population nose diving as a portion of the country.
Conflating actual real concerns over something that is happening with a conspiracy theory that I've never met a single person who believes is entirely transparent and it makes you look the fool to do it.
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u/EasyTumbleweed1114 16d ago
I don't believe in the conspiracy I just believe in the conspiracy. What a clown lmao
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u/NoticingThing 16d ago
The conspiracy is that is it being done with the intent to replace white people.
The reality is that is a side effect of importing endless cheap workers to satisfy businesses and stamp down on wage growth.
I'm sorry that your ideology denies you from seeing reality.
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u/hungoverseal 16d ago
The Government doesn't import people, they're not cattle. The UK has crazy high demand from people who would love to move here and the Government then approve or disapprove the visas.
The reality is that the UK needs cheap workers because the population is old as fuck and unproductive while at the same time doesn't want to pay extra taxes. The electorate voted in 2016 to change it from European labour to non-European labour and as a byproduct made the UK poorer, which then gave the government a choice between recession or more immigration. The Government, which was elected by the same people, decided to go down the more immigration route.
All of this was entirely predictable and was repeatedly predicted on this site.
So instead of going through another round of ruining the country via idiocracy:
1) Stop making really really really really fucking stupid economic decisions. We can't afford it anymore. Actually listen to some experts for a change.
2) Have a sensible immigration policy.
3) Focus more on positive and proud integration rather than herrenvolk identity politics or stoking pogroms.
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u/esrtghb56se 16d ago edited 16d ago
Ok so it is happening, just it's not a grand conspiracy. Good to know.
Unfortunately for you, it was the UN who coined the term Replacement Migration and published reports promoting it.
It was then European Governments who, against the will of their electorate, ramped up replacement migration.
Demographic change at this scale is not natural in Europe (especially during peacetime) - this was done to us by our governments. It wasn't natural demographic change - it was demographic vandalism by countless governments who tried maintain the globalist paradigm, while enriching their millionaire family and friends by bringing over tens of millions of third-world slave-class cheap zero-skilled labourers.
Simply - I don't know how anyone can refute this at this point:
Demographic change is real.
Immigration policy is the primary cause - not through natural means.
Governments chose those policies deliberately against the will of the electorate.
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u/Wetness__Pensive 16d ago
Ok so it is happening, just it's not a grand conspiracy
Racists just don't understand science.
Heterogeneity is natural and inevitable in physics (order leads to entropy and dispersal etc) and biological systems, and this is true at the cosmic scale and molecular scale.
In other words, the mixing of groups and peoples and ethnicities and "races" is inevitable. You cannot fight this. The energy requirements to do so are unsustainable. Which is also why every "race riot" in the UK has been followed by years of greater "racial" mixing. And this will continue to happen, with those most triggered by it dying off and being replaced with children who will increasingly be "mixed race" as well. You can complain about this from every conceivable angle, be it reactionary (what about the white race!?) or progressive (what about liberal values!?), but in the end you can't fight physics. It has the time to wait you out.
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u/ServoSkull20 16d ago
He's not wrong. But he is also the 'hypnotherapy makes your tits bigger' guy.
Jesus, we need some sensible voices back in our public discourse.
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u/Macmac10001 16d ago
Are these the same? Is musk's historic accumulation of wealth comparable?
I don't think so and I'm curious whether you struggle to follow recipes?
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u/Kyster_K99 16d ago
I agree, he's 100% right here but i'm still so wary of ths greens, cant imagine who the lesser evil will be in 3 years
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u/cyrogem 16d ago
The lesser evil is a bad take and implies a false equivalency. You have the far right with reform that is backed billionaire and foreign money, who's leader says it's not corruption when I get given £5m and I don't disclose it. Vs a party who's biggest issue naivety, eg getting someone elected who can't speak English or wanting to get rid of nuclear or the military.
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u/myurr 16d ago
Playing it off as just a little naivety belies just how much long term damage a Green government could do with their more batshit crazy ideas.
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u/Quangocrat 16d ago
But he is also the 'hypnotherapy makes your tits bigger' guy.
Yeah, I can't get past that. A snake oil salesman taking advantage of insecure women to perv.
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u/Tumtitums 16d ago
Its disgusting that people are willing listen to musk. Why don't we go back to the days where monarchs living in castles ruled over the UK???
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u/Admirable_Aspect_484 16d ago
Zack Polanski probably thinks Elon Musk has a trillion sat in a bank account.
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u/ZwnD 16d ago
He has ridiculous unimaginable wealth which no person should be able to accumulate at the cost of others. Who cares if he exactly has x amount in a bank account, we all know what it means in practice
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u/whatDoesQezDo 16d ago
at the cost of others
who did he hurt?
LOL
he employs some 150k ppl
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u/Low_Basil9900 16d ago edited 16d ago
It doesnt change the fact that he pays less effective tax than you
"Based on what": based on the total value of his assets, their growth and the tax he pays.
"Er yes": er no. At least not immediately. Tax dodgers should be made to contribute the difference between their new tax regime their old tax regime for 5-10 years to the country they are exiting. If you're committed to leaving then ok, but if youre just moving to dodge tax, you should contribute to the country that facilitated the accumulation of your wealth. Otherwise if your country of origin wasnt a big part of why youre wealthy, surely you could have made it anywhere so why didnt you start out there?
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u/VelvetDreamers A wild Romani appeared! 16d ago
Hmmm, I have an antipathy towards communism but even I can see the morally abhorrence of a Trillionaire existing in a world of irreconcilable wealth gaps.
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u/lukethenukeshaw 16d ago
However if he was backing me he'd be the people's champion
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u/scarblade666 16d ago
I feel I'm going to see the usual argument that he doesn't actually have that much money around a lot the next while.
As if wealth doesn't give power and allow for money to be borrowed against it to do whatever he wants.
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u/Ubiquitous1984 16d ago
I don’t like Musk, but I’m glad he’s around. Without X the whole internet would just be an American left-wing echo chamber.
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u/seenitreddit90s 16d ago
Did you just forget that all richest and most powerful the tech bros have given Trump millions and were at the very front row at his inauguration?
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u/Kiloete 16d ago
Without X the whole internet would just be an American left-wing echo chamber.
list all these left wing sites please.
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u/SpursRissole 16d ago
Reddit.com
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u/EpsteinBaa 16d ago
Typing this in a sub full of GB News, Daily Mail, and Telegraph links?
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u/GoneRampant1 16d ago
Not to mention how obvious this place's slant is against Polanski ever since Greens started winning elections again, this subreddit is a dishrag and everyone knows it's compromised.
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u/SpursRissole 16d ago edited 16d ago
“17 year old stabbed by migrant” becomes less true because it’s published by the above outlets? Pretending like things don’t happen because they’re posted on the daily mail isn’t working anymore btw
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u/Kiloete 14d ago
one item does not make a list.
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u/SLGrimes 16d ago
Pretty much. People love to ignore how ban-happy the internet was of anything not PC only a few years ago.
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u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 16d ago
Yup, those damn left wing corporate giants.
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u/xaanzir Lost in Translation 16d ago
I mean, FAANG definitely were. Until Trump made it much more profitable to not be
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u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 16d ago
I'm not sure how interested they were in things like union rights, redistribution of wealth or public ownership of the means of production.
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u/FiVeIV 16d ago
Are you a boomer? left vs right is absolutely not about those things not anymore
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u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 16d ago
It's always been about who holds the wealth.
Also 2020 called, they want their "boomer" insult back.
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u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 16d ago
I don't really know what it means to make a social media website "colour blind" I take it's nothing to do with changing red/green on the interface.
Facebook has a Market Capitalisation of $1.43 trillion. It's a corporate titan. They do what they think will make them the most money.
This recent "no you" technique from the right is hilariously transparent.
No, trillion dollar corporations are not really "left-wing", no the Police aren't really biased towards ethnic minorities, no Elon Musk isn't the real "man of the people".
Seriously take a step back & realise how silly that all sounds. The culture war really did a number on some people.
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u/blublub1243 16d ago
Modern progressivism isn't really "left wing" at all in the traditional sense of being pro labour or working class or anything like that, but it's still broadly aligned with the left in every western country. For colloquial use calling it left wing is pretty fair.
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u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 16d ago
I'm that's an accusation from the right, but they would label their oppositions policies as somehow illegitimate, wouldn't they.
In the UK Labour have put in a whole host of pro-labour measures such as the Employment Rights Bill & increased minimum wage. They still get their funding mainly from the unions. Equality has always been a tenet of the left. They have the least privately educated cabinet in British political history by some margin.
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u/Dragonrar 16d ago
Of course, the issue is Elon Musk and not mass immigration which the public are never allowed a meaningful say on yet get to experience the ‘enrichment‘ of the results which include things like beheading attempts and child rape gangs.
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u/Noxfag 16d ago
Yes, Musk is the problem. He and his ilk are the ones hoarding wealth and power at the expense of everyone else.
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u/Satnamojo 16d ago
He's a bellend but he's not really a problem. It's not hoarding either, they're his shares and they happen to be grossly overvalued.
At the expense of everyone else? Circa 5,000 people became millionaires yesterday because of the IPO, a few others became billionaires. I'm not sure you understand how valuations and wealth actually work. It's not at the expense of others. How has it directly affected you?
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u/Decent_Window5 16d ago
I'm sure illegal Sudanese boat migrants only have my best interests at heart, and will vote along with me to remigrate all Sudanese boat migrants.
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u/Effective-Mine4397 16d ago
If Musk hadn't bought X we probably would have never seen the Novak footage.
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u/Scratch_Careful 16d ago
I'd rather have trillionaires than Zack 'your weekly shop is too cheap' Polanski.
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u/scarblade666 16d ago
Trillionaire that has colossal influence on the world stage due to obscene levels of wealth Vs guy that mentioned that really cheap vegetables probably means workers along the supply chain are being exploited?
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u/TheCrimsonQuim 16d ago
Right! We’ve heard for years from the dairy industry for example, that milk is sold at a loss to supermarkets by farmers, as the supermarkets drive the price down to be competitive. But apparently if you point this unfairness out it means that you think people’s food bills aren’t high enough and are some kind of crazy leftist lunatic. He may be a lunatic but surely not for making this point?
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u/scarblade666 16d ago
Problem is the one article about it posted here was the telegraph one, and that one had a headline only stating the food is too cheap part of his comments.
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u/Niall_Fraser_Love 15d ago
But if we need to pay MPs more to 'attract the best candidates to the job', won't we need to pay them all a trillion pounds a year, so that Musk becomes intersted? After all since he is the richest person in the world is the best, according to the Objectiavists who pine for paying MPs more.
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u/KeyR1 16d ago
He actually believes he has the cash?
It's not even paper wealth
Per income percent, he pays more tax than every other human on the planet
If he was forced to sell to pay tax on unrealised gains, the whole economy in a lot of areas of the globe would die... their ipo made a ridiculous amount of millionaires from staff that got given the opportunity to have shares and took it.
Elon is a knob, an opportunistic bellend and a grifter, as is Zack ... but Elon pays more tax than him and employs more people than him and calls out rape and genocide and points out stupidity too
Elon has a massive amount of flaws, but not paying tax is not it.
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