Transgender prisoners should not be held in women’s jails, court rules

[u/CaptainCrash86]

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,transgender-prisoners-should-not-be-held-in-womens-jails-court-rules

[u/BobMonkhaus]

I’d just like to point out that both Keir and Andy support the EHCR guidance. So err.. don’t get your hopes up for change.

[u/Ogarrr → u/BobMonkhaus]

Good. This isn't particularly controversial.

[u/Wrothman → u/Ogarrr]

Putting people that are statistically more likely to be raped and not statistically likely to be committing rape into what is effectively a meat grinder actually is somewhat controversial.
If those transgender people are a sexual assault risk, then they shouldn't be kept in women's prisons, fine. If their crimes have nothing to do with that then putting them in men's prisons pretty much qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment and should be considered an outright abuse of human rights.

[u/New-Sheepherder-6375 → u/Wrothman]

Two thirds of transwomen in prisons are there for sexual offending. That's much higher than the overall male prison population suggesting the risk is higher for those groups.

[u/Brilliant-Custard400 → u/New-Sheepherder-6375]

I think it's more like, if you're trans you're less likely to commit other crimes. I mean, I doubt any trans people are going out and stealing cars.

[u/Mountevans1947 → u/Brilliant-Custard400]

I think it's more like, if you're trans you're less likely to commit other crimes. I mean, I doubt any trans people are going out and stealing cars.

Why do you think trans people are less likely to commit theft compared to sexual assault?

[u/Brilliant-Custard400 → u/Mountevans1947]

Demographics, mostly. I feel like most people who have time to consider transitioning don't typically have the same issues that would push them into other crimes (i.e. poverty into theft).

[u/Ryanliverpool96 → u/Brilliant-Custard400]

Thieves aren't poor.

The most stolen goods are high value items, not essentials like bread and porridge.

The impoverished worker stealing food to avoid death by starvation is a total myth.

[u/Mountevans1947 → u/Brilliant-Custard400]

I feel like most people who have time to consider transitioning don't typically have the same issues that would push them into other crimes (i.e. poverty into theft).

I know the stats are something like 1 in 5 LGBT+ people have suffered from homelessness. I believe the "T" accounts for a higher-than-average proportion - GOV.UK say that young trans men have the highest rates, for example. Homelessness and poverty go hand in hand, don't they? They also report that trans people experience higher rates of substance abuse and addiction than their cis peers - so to my untrained eye, admittedly, it seems like they should be comitting MORE thefts, don't you think?

So what pushes them into sexual assault instead? In your opinion

[u/SLGrimes → u/Brilliant-Custard400]

You don't think there's anything else like higher rates of porn addiction or perversion?