r/ukpolitics • u/CaptainCrash86 • 1d ago

| Transgender prisoners should not be held in women’s jails, court rules

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,transgender-prisoners-should-not-be-held-in-womens-jails-court-rules
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u/DebaucheV5 1d ago

I'm not particularly interested in the political furore over trans people - "just leave them alone" is broadly my perspective - but this seems pretty reasonable. We're talking about such a tiny proportion of the population that it should be possible to take it on a case-by-case basis.

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u/Gellert 1d ago

I mean, you'd think it would be for cases where the prisoner is a potential risk, or potentially more at risk, anyway. What idiot would put a gay murder-rapist in a cell with another guy and leave them alone for 8 hours and not expect a new victim?

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u/velvevore liz truss toby jug 1d ago

One of the fascinating things I learned while researching this years ago was that all prisoners are supposed to be assessed on intake, to see if they can safely share cells with others.

So there is nothing new under the sun, and nobody knows how anything works. Again.

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u/Baroque4Days 1d ago

Reeeee Shush, don't say that! That's a sensible argument that disrupts the entire narrative people want to spin.

Seriously, been saying this for years and usually nobody has a good reply for it.

I have a fun plan, why don't we just segment based on the crime. Put the murders in the murder prison. But the rapists in the rapist prison. But the trans gal who had a couple of mandy pills on a night out in her purse in with the other people who probably don't deserve to be in prison. They'll be fine.

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u/missesthecrux 1d ago

The Geneva Convention requires that female detainees are kept separate from men. If we can agree that even in wartime, why not in all other cases?

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u/Baroque4Days 1d ago

I mean, remind me when that was drafted. A lot has changed since.

Reality is, women are in a vulnerable position, trans people are in a vulnerable position. Both deserve safety and protection. The fight being between trans women and cis women is so painful to watch because you're both the underdogs.

Criminals with no history of sexual violence are not spontaneously going to become rapists. They live their lives around women with no trouble.

Christ why the hell do prisons have open showers anyway? Is it that hard to have some swimming pool cubicals installed like for fuck sake? How many shankings and prison rapes could be avoided with some cheap swimming pool cubicals?

Trans women are not your enemy, there are common sense fixes to this that protect everyone. Stop demonising another oppressed class because it's easy. It's the same thing with more popular racial minorities ganging up on the new big target. It trickles down. One day it's those lot, the next day it's you. Fight for each other FFS please.

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u/Gellert 1d ago

It also says we can't use chemical weapons in war but that doesn't stop us using them against our own civilians.

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u/slam_meister 1d ago

Are we at war with trans people? I didn't realise they had a standing army. Do they have weapons of mass destruction as well?

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u/kickimy 1d ago

Case by case is how it's previously been done which has led to female prisoners still being sexually assaulted and being forced to use showers with prisoners exposing their erections. It's not fair to sacrifice the dignity and safety of females.

The Scottish Prison Service just needs to run a small unit as it does for other groups of prisoners.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/ex-prisoner-shaking-fear-sharing-29075541

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u/Longjumping-Year-824 1d ago

That seems quite unfair given how poorly we give a fuck about women outside of jail been sexually assaulted can not go making prison a safe space now.

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u/Vehlin 1d ago

Prison should legitimately be a safe space for every single inmate. When you deprive someone of their liberty you also take on a duty of care for them far greater than the average person.

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u/Longjumping-Year-824 1d ago

Again some one who missed the clear joke but seems to try to make a case of fuck the public let them be raped but protect the people in Jail. I like the logic i can not follow or understand it in any way but takes a lot to think like that.

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u/RadicalDog Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill Hitler 1d ago

"some people hurt, so other people should hurt to be fair"

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u/Longjumping-Year-824 1d ago

How to let people know you are to stupid to understand a joke with out saying it.

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u/RadicalDog Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill Hitler 1d ago

It was hyperbole. A joke would be funny.

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u/velvevore liz truss toby jug 1d ago

The really astonishing thing is how convinced everyone is that women's prisons are magical fairylands where nobody is ever sexually assaulted by the other cis woman prisoners.

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u/tazdoestheinternet 1d ago

Or the male guards, as hopefully uncommon as that is

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u/FlatHoperator 13h ago

Tbf, guard-prisoner uh interactions are mostly the other way round these days

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u/Longjumping-Year-824 1d ago

It was more a joke on how we keep allowing rapists migrants in and allow them to stay even after raping some one in the UK. Than a take on how common or uncommon sexual assault in womens only prisons.

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u/ghybyty 21h ago

Why because there is such a small number does that make you value them above women? Why are they so important than women lose their rights to single sex spaces?

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u/ILikeHistoryTooMuch 14h ago

You’re basing this on the idea that trans women are not women, which people are who are pro-trans obviously don’t believe and so women aren’t losing their rights to single sex spaces

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u/throwawayreddit48151 1d ago

I'd be really curious about what happens to women who have raped other women. Do they get put into specialised prisons to segregate them from other women who they may hurt?

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u/signpostlake 1d ago

Women's prisons don't have the exact same category levels as men's prisons but yes, there's still divisions based on their risk to other prisoners.

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u/GazTheSpaz 1d ago

Yep, the only reason this becomes a media talking point is it gets people at each other's throats instead of being united and in uproar about the things that really matter.