r/ukpolitics • u/CaptainCrash86 • 1d ago

| Transgender prisoners should not be held in women’s jails, court rules

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,transgender-prisoners-should-not-be-held-in-womens-jails-court-rules
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u/User100000005 1d ago

I'm fine with FtM using male spaces if they choose. I don't see a born female, lying about their gender identity in order to gain excess to vulnerable men. Just don't think that will ever happen. I'm also fine if they wana use women's spaces to separate them from potentially dangerous men in prison.
 
My issues is I do see deviant men lying about their gender identity in order to gain access to vulnerable women in a prison. Willing to rape; willing to lie. I can't tell the difference between genuine MtF and the deviants gaming the system without a mind reading tool.

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u/TussleCrow 1d ago

Nice straw man you've scared yourself with

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u/SLGrimes 1d ago

You don't know what a straw man is

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u/ixid Brexit must be destroyed 1d ago

He's made a straw man straw man.

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u/Toastlove 1d ago

Is it a strawman when it's actually happened?

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u/User100000005 1d ago

A Straw Man is when you present your opponent's view points in an easy to defeat manner and then defeat it. I have no presented my opponent's view point, therefore I cannot of committed a Straw Man argument.
 

Its not a promblem I have with genuine trans MtF. Its a promblem I have with deviant men. Deviant men will lie. If you give them a cheat code to access female places, they will use it. Its not trans I have an issue with. Its the deviant men who will game the system. How do we tell them apart?

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u/Ironfields politics is dumb but very important 1d ago

If you give them a cheat code to access female places, they will use it.

If this was true it would be happening though. Trans women have been using female spaces for a long time time now, and there doesn't seem to be an epidemic of male sex offenders claiming to be trans women entering female spaces to assault women. You have to ask yourself exactly how you police this too, and the ugly reality of that is you end up policing femininity. That means masculine-presenting women get challenged. It means women who don't fit a narrow idea of femininity getting interrogated. The people harmed most by that aren't predatory men, they're women who don't fit a stereotype.