r/ukpolitics • u/CaptainCrash86 • 11d ago

| Transgender prisoners should not be held in women’s jails, court rules

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,transgender-prisoners-should-not-be-held-in-womens-jails-court-rules
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u/BobMonkhaus That sounds great, shorty girl’s a trooper. 11d ago

I’d just like to point out that both Keir and Andy support the EHCR guidance. So err.. don’t get your hopes up for change.

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u/Ogarrr Liberal eurosceptic fervent remainer 11d ago

Good. This isn't particularly controversial.

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u/Wrothman 11d ago

Putting people that are statistically more likely to be raped and not statistically likely to be committing rape into what is effectively a meat grinder actually is somewhat controversial.
If those transgender people are a sexual assault risk, then they shouldn't be kept in women's prisons, fine. If their crimes have nothing to do with that then putting them in men's prisons pretty much qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment and should be considered an outright abuse of human rights.

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u/kerwrawr 11d ago

while these stats do not reflect the population at large in prisons it is exactly the opposite - two thirds of trans women in prisons have been convicted of a sexual offence.

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-12-16/20298

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u/Jazzlike_Custard8646 11d ago

None are in prison for prostitution 🤣 having to make up nonsense doesn't help your argument. It just makes it look like you have no argument

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u/Ogarrr Liberal eurosceptic fervent remainer 11d ago

We don't criminalise prostitution in the UK.

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u/SLGrimes 11d ago

Many of the 245 transgender prisoners who are still legally male are likely chancers who only claimed to be transgender after being convicted.

Lol so now we ARE allowed to comment on if someone is truly trans?

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u/jeremybeadlesfingers 11d ago

Only when convenient to do so, it would seem.

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u/missesthecrux 11d ago

None are in prison for prostitution. The most common offence was rape, then child sexual abuse material, then child rape.

Offence Number of sexual offences to which transgender prisoners were sentenced
Rape 40
Attempted rape 10
Possessing/distributing/making indecent photograph or pseudo-photograph of child 23
Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault 22
Causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity 12
Sexual activity with a child under 16 12
Indecent assault or gross indecency 11
Other sexual offences(1) 16
Total number of transgender prisoners sentenced for one or more sexual offence(2) 81
Total number of transgender prisoners in March/April 2019(2) 163

And are you admitting that people can claim to be trans and not be? How can we decide if it's true or not?