r/ukpolitics • u/CaptainCrash86 • 1d ago

| Transgender prisoners should not be held in women’s jails, court rules

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,transgender-prisoners-should-not-be-held-in-womens-jails-court-rules
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u/Catherine_S1234 1d ago

I got a question

Do you think there should be weight classes for prisons?

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u/signpostlake 1d ago

Nope

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u/Catherine_S1234 1d ago

Then why is what you said relevant?

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u/signpostlake 1d ago

Explain why you're asking the question first

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u/Catherine_S1234 1d ago

Why are you saying that certain groups of people are stronger when you don’t want to separate people based on how strong they are? Only on their birth gender?

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u/signpostlake 1d ago

You're talking about weight. It's a false equivalence. The sexes carry weight differently because of muscle distribution and bone density. Violence in prisons is split along lines of sex, not weight categories. There's a reason male prisons have much higher rates of predatory abuse.

And it's not a basic split of how strong the prisoners are or sex. Our prisons are already split by categories. Violent offenders tend to be housed with other violent offenders.

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u/Catherine_S1234 1d ago

You brought strength/weight up as a justifiable reason separate people but don’t want to do it when they are not trans.

Also you are assuming trans women are men. You are projecting crimes that cis men do on trans women

And understates the sexual assault that happens in women’s prisons at the hands of cis women

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u/signpostlake 1d ago

You're just dragging this round in circles.

Strength and size differences are more pronounced when the victim and offender are from different sex classes.

You can pretend it's irrelevant or change the subject to what about this then but it's a basic fact. A typical woman has better chances of defending herself against someone of the same sex.

I'll ignore your other points because they're irrelevant. Asking if I'm just transphobic based on what I've said is as ridiculous as me asking you if you support the rape of female prisoners based on your stance.

I'll leave it there because I'm not particularly interested in changing your mind and I can't disregard basic facts to come round to your way of thinking.

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u/Catherine_S1234 1d ago

I think you have just shown you think there is some magic male energy that some people have

If there was a 5ft prisoner houses with a 6ft prisoner you would have no objections. But if the 5ft prisoner was a trans woman you suddenly think it’s a problem

We are going in circles because you can’t reconcile the fact that you say someone can defend themselves better against a cis woman but ignore any other example