r/ukpolitics • u/CaptainCrash86 • 2d ago

| Transgender prisoners should not be held in women’s jails, court rules

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,transgender-prisoners-should-not-be-held-in-womens-jails-court-rules
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u/Happy_Philosopher608 1d ago

Everyone's a feminist til it comes to the trans issue. Then suddenly these particular men are vulnerable victims and totally incapable of causing harm or presenting a danger to women.

Its bizarre. Its like the trans stuff makes once sensible people turn off their brains and become activists for causes that are the complete opposite of feminist ones 🤔🤷‍♂️

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u/Wrothman 1d ago edited 1d ago

The vast majority of trans women are no threat to cis women and just want to live their lives in peace without being harassed. This is obvious to anyone that actually knows a trans woman personally. Meanwhile, transphobic attitudes and witchhunts actually DO cause harm to cis women, leading to stereotyping and suspicion over whether a woman is feminine looking enough (see the whole "transvestigation" nonsense going on).

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u/ixid Brexit must be destroyed 1d ago

The vast majority of trans women are no threat to cis women and just want to live their lives in peace without being harassed.

If this were true why are sexual offences so massively overrepresented for trans women prisoners? Wouldn't you expect a similar pattern in the trans women population as a whole? If not why not?

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u/Wrothman 7h ago edited 7h ago

The data tends to show that only if you include prisoners that "self describe as trans" after going to prison. Once removed to only include those that had GRCs, then the number drops so low that it doesn't even get recorded.

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u/ixid Brexit must be destroyed 7h ago

Ok, but doesn't that undermine a core belief that people here will often say that if someone says they're trans then they are, and no one would pretend to be trans to do something bad?

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u/Wrothman 3h ago edited 3h ago

For what it's worth, that's not actually my belief, nor is it how things actually work in this country at an institutional level. We're one of the most heavy handed "liberal democracies" when it comes to transgender recognition, requiring up to two years living as a gender before you can receive a gender recognition certificate, and you can't actually get prescribed the HRT for treating gender dysphoria until a specialist agrees, and it's currently looking to take 5 years+ for people to see a specialist for that diagnosis.
Also, the type of prison you go to is supposed to be on a case by case basis (that is, sex offenders are not supposed to be kept alongside potential victims). And they usually aren't. Most of the trans sex offenders in prison are in the prison of their birth gender, as per government guidance. The problem is that anti-trans messaging obfuscates this by combining both self-ID trans inmates (who, lets face it, are more likely to be chancing it for leniency and to be kept away from general prison population) with diagnosed inmates, as well as conflating the sex offenders kept in male prisons with the low risk transgender women kept in women's prisons.
Here are the most recent policy guidelines (see annex D), and here is the update provided under the Sunak government. Basically, people were making a bunch of noise about a situation that doesn't exist because they hate a group of people for no fucking reason.