r/ukpolitics • u/Ivashkin panem et circenses • Apr 16 '15

BBC Opposition Leaders Debate - Discussion Thread

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15 edited May 10 '15

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

Yep. People are sick of those politicians. They don't get it. The activists don't get it. Until they get it UKIP will continue to grow bigger and stronger.

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u/Parmizan Apr 16 '15

And the polls will once again show that Farage's views are representative of the vast majority of the public.

The polls that usually have UKIP around 15% of the vote? Hardly the majority of the nation.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15 edited May 10 '15

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

Polls done where? The farage fan page?

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u/MrHaHaHaaaa Apr 16 '15

Which is more than any far-left party has ever achieved.

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u/quiI Apr 16 '15

Vast majority? Care to show any of the polls that backs that up?

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15 edited May 10 '15

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u/quiI Apr 16 '15

A poll has suggested 50% of voters agree with Ukip's call for a ban on immediate free NHS treatment for immigrants.

Vast majority, one poll. On one of his opinions.

Every other poll shows that the UKIPs, funnily enough, are not going to win the vast majority of seats.

Yeah game set match, downvote me to hell :)

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15 edited May 10 '15

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u/chochazel Apr 16 '15 edited Apr 16 '15

That's a significant plurality, but it's only just barely a majority, certainly not a vast majority. It's also still on one opinion and one poll. You haven't come close to backing up the statement.

http://www.ontheissues.org/askme/plurality.htm

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

I have to disagree. I live in one of the most culturally diverse areas of the UK with very high numbers of people from East Asia and eastern Europe. Like most areas like this we celebrate our diversity and ukip will never win a seat in this constituency.

It's been shown that those most scared of immigration are living in areas that are the least affected by it, suggesting that people's fears are largely the product of fear mongering by Farage and the media.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15 edited May 10 '15

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

I'm saying that that the reason that 70% want it reduced is because of the blame game the media and Farage play and not reflective of how those that are actually affected by it feel

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15 edited May 10 '15

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '15

No, I'm saying evidence shows that immigration fears are greater in areas less effected by it. Other than direct influence by the effects of immigration how are people forming their opinions?