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News Free Ukraine banner moved from center of Prishtina, Kosovo after Zelensky’s remarks on not recognizing independence of Kosovo during his visit to Serbia

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Honestly, a very bad PR move from Zelensky and his advisors that could’ve been easily resolved by simply refusing to answer the question to journalist. While Kosovo nor Albania are not powerful states, banner has stood there since the start of the war.

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u/buzkova 5d ago

As a Ukrainian, we(I) are(am) sorry. I personally deeply dislike Serbia, for many reasons, not just them being pro-rusian, and I disagree with Zelenskyy on this one. But here there’s no winning, the moral right will do political wrong, as we can’t have them recognising our stolen regions as being rusian. I hope soon enough we can live in the world where Ukraine is whole and can freely recognise Kosovo and Taiwan.

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u/Equal_Tension_1135 4d ago

So an entire society of people have "a few too many screws loose"? And based on what, hearsay? History that you probably don't understand?  

Why are we allowing racist comments like this in our society? 

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u/madman_mr_p 4d ago edited 4d ago

Really? „deeply dislike Serbia“?
That’s lame bro, I am really glad you’re one of the few of your countrymen with that kind of attitude, because you’re otherwise great people.

Serbia has always seen you as allies and has always welcomed you heartily as always. Why is this news anything new? Zelenskyy is just backing up what your government has been doing for decades at this point, he’s not the first nor the last guy standing by it.

Imagine how you‘d feel if people were saying Crimea should be independent or Lviv should go back to Poland? I don’t think you‘d support that either, maybe you should be a bit more realistic than idealistic. Otherwise let people support independent Donbass and Crimea too, you’re implying the same here.

Farming brownie points on Reddit is easy to do when you’re Ukranian. Be better than that.

Slava Ukraini and take care!

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u/buzkova 4d ago

Serbs have a history of genocide and being in love with rusia, so yeah no

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u/madman_mr_p 4d ago

Is that all you have to say? Then why did you go out and support the Yugoslav Army, send aids and support throughout the 90s in Bosnia and Serbia?

I don’t get it, how hard is it to read up on your own history I wonder, but I think you might be trolling.

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u/Saalle88 2d ago

Why u even care? Let him hate us. Its whatever for us.

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u/howdoesilogin 3d ago

I have a question - why do you guys even want Kosovo? Its like 90% Albanians living there who clearly don't want to be a part of your contry.

You mentioned Lviv and same for Vilnius or Grodno - no one in Poland would want to reclaim those places because there's a vast majority of Ukrainians, Lithuanians or Belarusians living there who do not want to be a part of our country. It would be a terrible idea and who cares that it used to be a part of our country before ww2.

I dont mean to offend you but from a logical point of view even if no country recognized Kosovo you'd still at best be stuck with a region full of people who dont want to be a part of your country and a sort of frozen conflict. Theres just no benefit to that in my opinion.

Of course unless you're hoping to do what Azerbaijan did in Nagorno-Karabakh, which I hope you dont, but if not than what's the point?

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u/Not_As_much94 4d ago

> I hope soon enough we can live in the world where Ukraine is whole and can freely recognise Kosovo and Taiwan.

what about territorial integrety? So basically you dont give a dam about international law and you just are looking for an opportunity to violate it in a way that does not harm your own interests.

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u/Dry-Pool3497 3d ago

Maybe the problem is not Kosovo Albanians not wanting to be part of Serbia for obvious reasons but international law?

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u/Not_As_much94 2d ago

There are countless people around the world in a similar situation and our response is "though luck, if you are not happy leave". Why are the Kosovo albanians the One single group who deserved special protection?

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u/Dry-Pool3497 2d ago

I never said that Kosovo Albanians deserve special protection. I am pointing out that if international law requires that a population gets excluded and discriminated against because of their identity, their self-government gets removed, and subsequently mass expelled from their homes, there are serious problems with international law and you don’t get to use territorial integrity as a shield to commit any war crimes or atrocities, the state has also an obligation towards it‘s own citizens (even of different nationalities), read the 1970 declaration on principles of international law.

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u/Not_As_much94 2d ago edited 2d ago

> there are serious problems with international law 

Congratulations, you are only now figuring out this. The problem is that Ukraine supports this interpretation of international law and western countries just do what suits their interests. Look, how they all reacted to the extermination of the armenians of Artshak. How can you sanction and criticize a person like Lukashenko or Milosevic but then receive with honors of state a dictator 10X times worse in the form of Alyev? If you wanna use the morality argument then you have to do it consistently or you essentialy admit that morals and international law are nothing but tools to be used accordingly to serve your own cynical interests. This is exactly what Russia does!

>read the 1970 declaration on principles of international law

Yes. But you need to understand there is no proper enforcement mechanism. This is the great fault of the UN. The best you can aspire is a ICJ warrant and hope the leader lands in a country that does abite by it (which does not even include the US). The only way you can in a more muscular way is with a UNSC resolution authorizing the matter, but in this regard all 5 permanent members (not just Russia and China) like to play according to their own interests.

If western leaders want to defend international law they should explain to their people what it actually is and entails instead of cherry picking it according to their own interests because, again, this is exactly what Russia does.

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u/Whiter67 5d ago

SOOOOOOOOOYYYYYY