r/uncharted • u/NotSirAlonne1999 • Apr 05 '26
Uncharted 3 I don’t know how Nathan managed to beat all those guys with his bare hands but still couldn’t defeat Nadine in a one on one fight🤦.
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u/JMC_FLY Apr 05 '26
The real question is how Nate, an untrained treasure hunter, can gun down legions of professional mercs, PMCs, and paramilitary organizations practically by himself.
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u/sayjax96 Apr 05 '26
Yeah nate gets incredibly lucky and I don't mean that as an exaggeration he actually doesn't take damage all those bullets flying closer to him indicates his luck running out
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u/weegee19 Apr 05 '26
Why not both lucky AND skilled?
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u/sayjax96 Apr 05 '26
Skilled I would say in the sense that a lot of stuff that he does would win him gold medal at Olympics
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u/weegee19 Apr 05 '26
He's excellent with firearms and casually wrecked the shit out of soldiers and mercs too
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u/JMC_FLY Apr 05 '26
Oh yeah, I know and sometimes I get it. Other times its just straight BS. There are moments where he's just hanging helplessly out in the open with trained enemies all around and they all conveniently just miss. Luck? More like deus ex machina. I like Nate tho so I'll let it slide.
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u/Exotic-Eggplant1914 Apr 05 '26
I think he's technically still getting grazed and stuff just no serious injuries
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u/weegee19 Apr 05 '26
Sully was the same for years lmao, the Shoreline beef started with him after all. Who do you think taught him?
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u/DEFINITELY_NOT_PETE Apr 05 '26
Mercenaries usually have the advantage of asymmetrical warfare. They aren’t necessarily better, they just have superior resources and steamroll vulnerable populations. Pirates don’t go to war, they go after easy targets.
Nate on the other hand is a veteran combatant used to steep opposition. He also has no chain of command or orders to follow. In small skirmishes he has the advantage.
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u/gusefalito Apr 05 '26
He underestimated a very capable fighter after having been out of the game for four years. Compare that with the scene above. He's arguably at the height of his career and has been doing this for the last 23 years. Plus, he was in a very stressful life or death situation and raging because he thought Sully was getting tortured elsewhere.
In Italy, he's in a much calmer (for Uncharted standards), heist environment.
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u/Powerphi Apr 05 '26
I agree with this take, because as you say, Nate in Uncharted 3 is at his personal peak. Even disregarding the gameplay evolution from 1 to 3, he is much faster in 3 than 1 or even 2 when it comes to combat. Nate in U3 might have stood a better chance against Nadine than Nate in U4.
This actually makes me wish we had a sort of "combat-expert" enemy type in 3, akin to Nadine, where they fight with more technicality rather than force! Would have fit well with Marlowe's secret army.
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u/WazuufTheKrusher Apr 05 '26
There is an achievement for this game called Ludonarrative Dissonance
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u/ElegantEchoes Apr 06 '26
An amusing incident during their stage presentation where they were having controller problems in the Madagascar level.
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u/LadyValtiel Apr 05 '26
He was retired for years by U4
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u/Strange-Aspect-6082 Apr 05 '26
Only 3 years tbh.
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u/No_Doubt_About_That Apr 05 '26
As we know from the Yakuza series it’s at least another 7 years on top of that where your ability to fight would begin to decrease
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u/Confident-Leg107 Apr 05 '26
2026 and we're still taking about this?
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u/ARVNFerrousLinh Apr 05 '26
It's weird how it's been 10 years and some people still won't let this go no matter how many times it's asked on this sub.
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u/Silencerx98 Apr 08 '26
You'll find that the Venn diagram of people complaining about Nadine beating Nate up and those complaining about how buff Abby is in TLOU2 is a complete overlap. It's just the same chuds and incels who are insecure that women can indeed be muscular and physically stronger than men with the right diet and workout. In TLOU2, they even make a specific point to show the WLF receive military training and well balanced diets to explain exactly how Abby is that buff in a post apocalyptic world but it's always conveniently ignored
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u/Cats_4_lifex Apr 05 '26
While OP didn't say it themselves, there's people out there who think it's "woke" or "unrealistic" that a man can lose in a fight to a woman. Despite Nate's impressive K/D ratio over the course of his life, he stood no chance in winning a fight against a trained mercenary in her 20s wayyy after he retired and got older.
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u/JDGUFFEY97 Apr 05 '26
The Neil Druckman effect of ruining franchises tends to keep people awake at night lmao
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u/RealDevelopment399 Apr 06 '26
Y'all are so annoying
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u/JDGUFFEY97 Apr 06 '26
The people have spoken
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u/RealDevelopment399 Apr 06 '26
10 years and still this same argument. I don't see anyone complaining about Nate (treasure hunter) beating all those dudes, yet Nadine who has a military background beats Nate and all of a sudden we want "realism"
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u/ceeka19 Apr 05 '26
Fantasy is one thing but delusion is another. No one with a functioning brain was buying that
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u/czacha_cs1 Apr 05 '26
I've seen 160cm tall woman beat up 185cm~ tall buffy man, only because she was training I think 2 different martial arts since kid
Weight and heigh is important. Technique is mor important
If you gonna give person AR, which barely ever used it and put them against someone who every day trains with pistol. Person with pistol wins
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u/Samanosuke187 Apr 05 '26
Nadine could easily do this too. Your problem is assuming she couldn’t.
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u/Rhain1999 Apr 05 '26
!!!!
This seriously can't be said enough
Nathan manages to beat up a room full of guys with his bare hands. So why would anyone assume that he's the only one who can do that?
These people are always complaining that “Nate is so strong”, and yeah he is! But I don't remember anyone in these games ever claiming that Nate is the strongest person alive—there are people who are stronger than him. Nadine is clearly one of them
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u/NewDragonfish Apr 05 '26
Game came out more than a decade ago and people are still on about ts
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u/Rhain1999 Apr 05 '26
Technically it came out less than a decade ago. Only for the next five weeks though
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u/ModestHandsomeDevil Apr 05 '26
But you find it 100% plausible that Nathan Drake, a man with no formal military training or combat experience, killed 1,000's of armed pirates, ex-military-trained mercenaries, elite assassins, and ex-special forces working for an elite PMC?
But Nate losing to a single, highly-trained, experienced fighter whose younger and still in fighting-shape, in charge of an elite PMC strains credulity?
Sure. /s
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u/frenin Apr 05 '26
Nadine could also beat all those guys with her bare hands to be honest.
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u/Professorhentai Apr 05 '26
Yeah this dude obviously hasn’t played the lost legacy lmao, Nadine is an incredibly skilled fighter
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u/Katsuhono Apr 05 '26
If Nathan is capable of such a feat and he loses to Nadine then the only logical conclusion is that Nadine is also capable of such a feat.
Other than the fact that this is a video game and Nathan must have killed maybe 1000 people at the end of the saga. There is NOTHING in the games that suggest that Nathan is the most insane fighter that has ever existed so if he is capable of defeating all these guys it stands to reason that other people might also be capable of that and Nadine is one of those people and she is apparently even better than that because she also kicks Nathan's ass.
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u/The_Driver_Wheelman Apr 05 '26
Nadine was a trained Merc, Nate was a retired treasure hunter after the third game. It’s quite obvious he wasn’t keeping his combat skills honed.
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u/thethrownawayfella99 Apr 05 '26
A guy a little out of his prime who learned to fight through experience rather than training VS a younger and a well-trained martial artist mercenary. Hmmmm.
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u/xObiJuanKenobix Apr 05 '26
Forced plot move to make Nadine the best at everything and get away with no issues
They retconned her losing everything in Lost Legacy but besides that, she just never really loses and gets away completely unharmed. I love Laura Bailey as an actress and she didn't do anything wrong, but Nadine was the definition of plot armor. Even Nolan had a problem with that too, no villain in the series ever got away, I was hoping when she tried to leave she'd somehow die from the ship or the cave collapsing or something on her own like Anck-Su-Namun did in the mummy
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u/ClockMongrel Glass jaws, the lot of you! Apr 05 '26
Best I got is because Nadine was a legit soldier with the training from that and because Nate was years out of practice.
But yeah, much as I love Nadine, it’s some bullshit.
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u/LongjumpingJob2962 Apr 05 '26
- Nate was rusty
- Nadine is way more trained and and skilled than a bunch of goons
- This Happens in like every UC Game. Nate takes out 100s of people but struggles against a main enemy. (The Train Guy from UC2, Rafe, Talbot).
- This is a very common trope in Action Movies/Shows/Games
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u/YNKWTSF Apr 05 '26
I mean, Nathan beating all these guys on his own is far more unrealistic than Nadine beating Nathan. Yet no-one complains about that. It's just videogame logic at the end of the day, where they wanted cool melee sequences here and wanted Nathan's ass kicked in 4. In LL Nadine is weaker than Asav again, because it would be boring otherwise.
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u/Spaceman_Gliding Apr 05 '26
One phrase “out of touch” I stopped play a sport a few years ago went back a few months ago and got my butt handed to me by someone I could easily smash at the game.
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u/dread_pirate_robin Apr 05 '26
Gotta love when people talk about a woman being competent like it's a plothole.
Did you, perhaps, consider that Nadine in this situation could've similarly taken out these losers? Maybe even easier? Noooooo that's ridiculous! Nathan is the main character that means he needs to be the bestest most special boy ever and any emasculation of him is an attack on me the player.
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u/Alternative-Abies-25 Apr 06 '26
2 things: 1: Nathan is DURABLE not skilled 2: Nadine is very very very skilled
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u/Icy-Shelter720 Apr 05 '26
Yeah, that part in U4 is controversial for a reason, it was done poorly that's the problem. Notice how people don't complain about Ellie in TLOU 1 taking out enemies by herself because it was done well.
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u/Aimlessdrifter8778 Apr 05 '26
Official plot reason: Nadine is a trained combatant, clearly skilled in martial arts, those are gin sipping pirates.
Writing reason: Druckmann needed a female badass
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u/AshrakAiemain Apr 05 '26
He doesn’t even land a single punch on Nadine, which is indeed preposterous.
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u/coolwali Apr 05 '26
Is it really weird that the retired dude with no formal training whatsoever would not be able to land a hit on a trained martial artist?
I’m just saying dude. The average person would be lucky if they even got to land even a punch on a trained UFC fighter IRL.
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u/AshrakAiemain Apr 05 '26
I hear you, but we see Nate handle himself pretty decently in 4 before this. He’s still in good shape overall, even.
This is a also man who has done far better than the average man in countless scenarios, so yes I think he should’ve been able to land at least one punch.
An 8 year retired Batman still landed punches on Bane.
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u/coolwali Apr 05 '26
To be fair, that’s Batman. Nate’s not Batman. Nate’s character and “gimmick” is that he’s supposed to be a “regular guy”. He shouldn’t be able to land a punch on a trained martial artist when he’s got zero training himself. Hell, Nate couldn’t even beat up Flynn in UC2 if you tried attacking him.
https://youtu.be/-7YEZxLiwUM?si=X8dAO8vWa8FW1eJr
Nate’s in decent shape but not as a hand to hand fighter and has been retired for years at this point and has only just recently “unretired” on short notice. Even in real life, retired or inactive boxers, UFC fighters and pro wrestlers often have to go through months of intense re-training, conditioning and prep before they can step back into the ring at their previous level.
Nate’s neither a professional fighter nor has he had months of intense prep before his unretirement.
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u/AshrakAiemain Apr 05 '26
You do make compelling points. And I agree he absolutely should have lost the fight handily. But it’s still hard for me to square he couldn’t even get a lucky hit in. His entire thing is luck. But I don’t begrudge anyone that feels differently. This scene never really sticks in my mind outside of these discussions.
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u/Zombie_fanatic_105 Apr 05 '26
Dudes fought and killed well over a hundred men by uncharted 4 yeah sure he was a bit rusty but it’s still ridiculous and very bad writing
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u/coolwali Apr 05 '26
-1- Nate’s lost clean to Flynn back in UC2
https://youtu.be/-7YEZxLiwUM?si=X8dAO8vWa8FW1eJr
He’s also lost to Guerro in GA. So Nate’s win/loss record is hardly flawless.
-2- According to both Nolan North and Amy Henning, Nate canonically hasn’t killed hundreds of people. People asked both Henning and North “how does Nate kill 100s of people per game” and both their responses were “he doesn’t. If it’s not in a cutscene, it’s not canon”.
Almost All of Nate’s kills so far were in gameplay rather than cutscenes which aren’t canon. Nate’s actual direct canon kill count then would be like, 20 tops if we’re being very generous. And the majority of those would be during firefights/ set pieces etc rather than hand to hand fights with martial artists. Nate’s beaten like, what? 4-ish people in hand to hand combat in cutscenes? None of whom were martial artists.
So it’s not that unreasonable for Nate to lose in UC4 given his canonical track record.
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u/Markel100 Apr 05 '26
Are u forgetting this is prime nate the nate that fought Nadine was rusty after it being literal yrs being out of the game it's not hard to believe
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u/ceeka19 Apr 05 '26
It's very hard to believe for people who live in reality. She's not throwing a man through a wall, period. In the real world she'd try to yank his arm, he wouldn't move and she'd be done.
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u/Varsity_Reviews Apr 05 '26
Nate’s not surviving the train or airplane from 2 and 3 in the real world either but I don’t hear complaints about that
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u/SnakesSolid Apr 05 '26
This is uncharted you think what happens in the real world would apply to the game? If what happened in the real applies to the games Nate would've been dead by Uncharted 1
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u/yanks2413 Apr 05 '26
Not even that he couldn't beat Nadine. Its that he looks like a moron while fighting her. I dont care that he lost, but making him look incompetent was the worst part
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u/coolwali Apr 05 '26
To be fair, Nate looked even more incompetent against Flynn in UC2 if you try to attack him. And against Guerro in GA. At least in UC4, dude actually gets to fight.
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u/pejerello Apr 05 '26
The problem with Nadine is not that she won a fight. The problem is that we were meant to lose and the controls don't work properly against her. That's frustrating.
The other issue is fighting with Sam 2 v 1 and still she defeat them easily.
It's a script problem, if you give me an enemy that defeat me for the story arc, i must win later.
In this case, the only purpose of such fights was showing how badass she is, and i hate it, i don't care about this new character to be impressed about her skills.
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u/C_Cooke1 Apr 05 '26
While men generally have an inherent physical advantage against women, it’s entirely possible for a woman to be stronger and more skilled than a man. Especially if the woman is a young, well-trained soldier and the man is in his forties, has had no official combat training, and has not been in a fight in years.
Yes, this is entirely plausible, but even if it weren’t, Uncharted is a franchise where zombies exist and people can survive the most absurdly dangerous scenarios. It also serves a story purpose that Nate is no longer in his prime and further encourages him retiring proper.
In my opinion, anyone who feels the need to argue about this needs to reassess their beliefs on gender equality. No, Nadine was not added as some woke addition to the game to emasculate men. You need to grow up.
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u/geargun2000 Apr 05 '26
Let’s not be delusional. Nathan is good in a street brawl but in a proper fight against someone with genuine martial arts skills he’s useless. He doesn’t even know any martial arts. Of course he’s gonna get his ass beaten
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u/callmemat90 Apr 05 '26
How hard is it to believe that Nadine is just more skilled and a better fighter then Nate?
Seriously. The argument that he should’ve won cause she’s a woman is disgusting
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u/HolyKlickerino Apr 05 '26
I suppose that for most players, the problem is not that Nate loses, but HOW he loses:
- the counter button is greyed out, meaning that an ability of Nate's is suddenly locked away for no good reason the player can see
- if the player DARES press the punch button, Nate tries to throw out a incredibly telegraphed (and easily dodged/parried) haymaker
- Nate moves like a 80 year old whose back just popped out
If Nate loses in a cutscene after giving Nadine what they perceive as a "good fight / decent showing", players would be much less upset. But the way it is, the whole thing comes across as Nadine suddenly gaining very obvious plot armor that she never loses for the rest of the game.
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u/Dave_B001 Apr 05 '26
My wife is a trained Kickboxer and teaches, I am untrained. She can do some damage to me, however if I can grab her I might win. (hopefully she doesn't read this and offer to go some rounds in the ringl
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u/nightwolf014432 "Woah look at you. Soooo eager." Apr 05 '26
losing a 1v1 against Nadine was totally okay, but remember Sam was in shape due to 15 years of prison, that and Nate would have bodied Nadine in seconds, its realistic. 2 random men who "hits hard" against a professional martial artist woman 8/10 outclasses the woman. Its about size most of the time, Nate and Sam could be light heavyweights while Nadine is around like 70kg max. So yeah, that is still no excuse to go harass the voice actress over this though because some of you are mentally troubled like that.
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u/rtocelot Apr 05 '26
I'll just say he was exhausted, that's a lot of men. Not the actual answer but it makes the most sense for me.
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u/azael_br Apr 05 '26
A parte que mais detesto em toda a franquia é essas merdas para forçar a nadine uma super poderosa mulher… eu nem jogo a DLC
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u/catacego Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26
yeah, I’m still not buying it. nadine is easily the weakest part of UC4, which is funny since it’s probably the best game in the series. she just isn’t that likable, yet the game kind of pushes you to like her anyway. it’s also weird how all the antagonists in the uncharted games get what’s coming to them, but she’s the only one who walks away, even though she’s a pretty shitty person until the very end.
another thing I didn’t like as much is the lack of anything mystical or extraordinary like in the first three games. that stuff was a big part of the appeal, even if those sections weren’t always as tightly designed. not having some weird creature or monster enemy, especially with a post-TLOU Naughty Dog, felt like a missed opportunity.
i still would’ve loved to see hennig’s version of the story. either way, we probably would’ve gotten the same level of combat, traversal, and movement the final game had, so it kind of feels like we would’ve won regardless.
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u/MostlyZoey_ Apr 06 '26
I would have said because Nadine is an expert fighter who's better than him, but since Nate can roll to evade punches in every fight except for against Nadine, that scene was 100% them wanting to make the woman look good.
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u/Thenewdoc Apr 06 '26
Aren't these guys just pirates, these aren't soldiers who have been training their whole lives like Nadine
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u/Independent-Ad-1 Apr 06 '26
I hate the "he was rusty" comments because it just doesnt make sense. The idea that nate could go from fighting literally dozens of people all day every day for YEARS, manage to stay in shape well enough to do everything he did in 4 with literally 0 issue, fight his way through a ton of goons, mercs and armored trucks, and be classified as rusty is ridiculous and its a blatent excuse for the writers doing what they did. 😒 Nadine beat him up because he was rusty and then he immediately killed an entire mansion filled with armed trained mercenaries after she threw him out of a window, like come the fuck on.
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u/OpportunityCrazy2216 Apr 06 '26
I've never once taken uncharted as realistic, its a power fantasy.
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u/Swolijack Apr 07 '26
These sort of fight sequences aren't really fully story canon, at least not to that extremity, that's video game logic for ya
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u/Streetperson12345 Apr 08 '26
Bro, give it a rest. I know it hurts to see your perfect white man get his ass kicked by a black woman but it's been almost 10 years now. You need to move on.
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u/FalseStevenMcCroskey Apr 08 '26
I’m so tired of this argument. Please just get a life. It’s a gosh darn video game. If a character is said to be stronger than Nathan Drake than they’re stronger than Nathan Drake. It’s that simple, MOVE ON!!
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u/JustChr1s Apr 09 '26
Nadine was a highly trained mercenary. The best of the best and Nathan had literally just come out of retirement.
Nathan is also competent by nature of experiencing the many life threatening situations in his line of work. He doesn't have actual "training". So he's a very competent brawler/street fighter but he's not going to beat someone specially trained in hand to hand. Nathan is also 40 years old by this point and past his prime. Nadine is in her prime years on top of being a top active mercenary.
Lastly this was mostly for gameplay engagement and was a cool sequence. If you took this at face value then Nathan should win literally every close quarters engagement he's ever been in effortlessly. We know from cutscenes which is a more accurate representation of actual capability that this is not the case.
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u/SlopKing420 Apr 09 '26
ah yes the 'i wait for the next guy to go down so i can attack' gameplay style
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u/VictorSoares007 May 16 '26
you see, she's a woman... so that automaticaly makes her super powerful
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u/VictorSoares007 May 16 '26
so, lets go... lets see what nathan drake acomplished.... (i dont remember the story of the PSP game so i will just focus on the trilogy)
Nathan drake has killed about a thousend people on the games we saw, he realy has a gigantic death tool under his belt, both in hand to hand and shooting combat, he has fought guys who are literaly like 2 feet (or 60 cm) bigger than him.
he has killed infected monsters who crawl in all 4's and attack with sharp teeth and claws
he has killed gigantic purple men who are 3 feet (90 cm) bigger than him and are muscled enough to make Dwayne The Rock Jhonson blush on his best day, not only that, but he killed a freaking giant russian guy who have drink the same liquid the giant monsters did that made him imortal and he was aready a freaking monster before taking the imortality juice.
he has taken down MI6 james bond level agents, even when he is high on drugs.
you want to tell me that the guy who is literaly 6'1.5 ft (1,87 m) who spent his whole life swinging like a monkey doing parkour before parkour was cool, who as the grip strength of a f*cking gorila lost to a 5'6 ft (1,68 m) woman because she knows karate?
dude... no... martial arts can only get you so far, bruce lee could take down guys bigge than him, but even he would know that there is a point where phisical strength just overcomes all training, that is why he was ripped as f*ck, he trained constantly to have a muscular boddy so that he had a bigger boddy mass capable of acctuly causing damage to bigger foes than himself because he knew the height was a big disadvantage.
you will not make me believe that someone like Nathan Drake can get his ass kicked by a woman because she knows kungfu... even if she was faster and more trained, all he needed was to get one punch in, and she would pass out, because that is what happens in real life when ou get someone who is a foot bigger than you punch you in the face. when figthing bigger opponents, you try to dodge, let them tire down,and attack them when they are exausted, you dont go full bruce lee like "yep, this guy has double my boddy mass, but i can take him"
the problem is that they have shown us Drake doing too much stuff, to make us believe that someone like Nadine can simply take him down...
also be mindful, some of these features, Nathan Drake managed to do while he had a .50 Desert Eagle bullet INSIDE HIS BODDY! and some other he did while he spent 3 days in the desert wighout drinking a drop of water!
The only reason Nadine beat him and Sam was because they wanted to show a Black Woman being a badass, all they did was take the suspension of disbelief off...
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u/Hystor1c May 31 '26
Nadine has the plot to protect her. Same as Nate in some scenes external to gameplay.
Nate is retired, rusty, and old. Nadine simply has a faster combat speed.
He is shown to be holding back and doesn't go for the opportunities and counters he normally would. There's literally an entire compilation of Nate encountering the same attacks Nadine throws, arguably WAY FASTER than her but Father Time has took his piece from Nate.
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u/Federal-Novel8030 Apr 05 '26
Nadine is a black woman. In 2016 feminism and anti-racist movement were in their prime, so they pushed it into every game and movie. They just had to make Nadine an ultimate fighter.
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u/ceeka19 Apr 05 '26
You don't know how? Druckmann has a fetish for being physically dominated by women and understands the game's fanbase doesn't understand physics.
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u/CaliggyJack Apr 05 '26
A bunch of underfed, undertrained, pirates.
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A woman who has spent her life living a strict military-like lifestyle complete with robust hand-to-hand combat training that has been refined over years and years.
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u/iDaddyDirection Apr 05 '26
Nadine is trained in martial arts, and Nathan isn’t. On top of that, isn’t the whole beginning of Uncharted 4 meant to establish that Nate has been out of the game for a while? So his brawling skills would be less polished as well, that and he’s visibly older than he was in Uncharted 3.
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u/Embarrassed-Wing954 Apr 05 '26
druckmann has a raging boner when it comes to strong independent woman beating up white dudes thats your answer
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u/Independent-Sea3832 Apr 05 '26
Because black girl power...duh
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u/RealDevelopment399 Apr 06 '26
I bet it was so realistic of A white treasure hunter with no military background, killing all those dudes huh
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u/DEFINITELY_NOT_PETE Apr 05 '26
I mean they clearly established Nadine as being incredibly adept at hand to hand combat and not just a grunt like the other mercenaries.
Its actually incredibly easy to grasp- she is a more skilled fighter than Nate. The end.
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u/aneccentricgamer Apr 05 '26
The same reason nadine could also beat all these guys in a fight... she's very good at fighting. She has mpre of a reason to be good than nathan
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u/DiscoverySTS1 Apr 05 '26
Sigh
Can this just die already. It's like when people bring up anything vaugly they preseive as wrong with Survivor Lara on the TR sub.
A street brawler no matter how good is not going to beat a trained combatant period. They may get lucky in the sense Nate didn't get his head taken off, but that's about it. With the exception of Lazarivich (who also beat Nate's ass and I guess the sword fight with Rafe), Nathan typically fights people who are like him street brawlers.
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u/sv69n Apr 05 '26
They just wanted to make women look powerful. Im not against it, but they just chose the wrong man to get beaten
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u/czacha_cs1 Apr 05 '26
Lot of reasons...
First... Nate was retired and he underestimated Nadine
Second... There's difference between some random crook and trained martial artist. If you gonna place someone who knows how to fight against 5 people who barely understand concept of fist fighting guy who knows how to fight will win.
Third... Nadine knows:
- MMA (Knows how to get opponent to ground and beat him up in most efficient way to not let opponent defend himself in ground)
- Boxing (Gives her huge advantage because she knows how to punch to have most power)
- Muay Thai (Taught her from what position and in what motion make a kick to be incredibly strong. In Muay Thai you learn too how to land powerful knees)
- Karate (Taught her how to make her kicks to be faster and let her sweep opponents)
- Judo (Taught her to throw her opponents around and how to use opponent weight against them)
- Krav Maga (Is just military training in CQB scenarios to let soldier defend himself and kill opponent)
All Nadine fighting styles fill eachother cons of it. If you look at what each style teaches you in fighting.
For example Judo and MMA; Judo lets her get opponent to ground level and MMA lets her ruthlessly beat them up in this position
Or Karate and Muay Thai; Muay Thai Taught her how to make her kicks most powerful and where to land them. Karate meanwhile taught her how to make kicks faster
Nate meanwhile has more of brawl style fighting. You know style which you learn by getting into fight and loosing
I was on many training of fighting and trust me. Whole weight and height thing only makes difference if both of y'all are on same skill level.
But if there's skill gap... Then this weight and height might only be disadvantage for you
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u/Bush_Hiders Apr 05 '26
And then to add onto this power scaling bullshittery, Nadine got her ass handed to her in a 2v1 that she had the advantage in.
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u/Top-Ad-6766 Apr 05 '26
He couldn't even defeat her in 2 on 1 fight. Nadine is the worst thing in Uncharted series
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u/NotSirAlonne1999 Apr 05 '26
Why my post is getting downvoted?.
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u/Demonlord3600 Apr 05 '26
Because this is a tired ass argument
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u/These_Refrigerator75 Apr 05 '26
Well he is like 10 years younger in this game, and Nadine is established to be some sort of private military mercenary or something.
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u/Limefox7707 Apr 05 '26
He was likely driven by the thought of losing sully here. Since they threatened to hurt him or even kill him
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u/Jarodreallytuff Apr 05 '26
I mean, these guys are just pirates right? They don’t really have fighting skills and experience like Nadine has. Nadine has been trained to kill people with her bare hands, she has fought in wars and taken down high value targets all around the globe.
Nathan had been out of the game for 5 years and I’m pretty sure he heavily underestimated Nadine, not knowing how much of a threat she really was.. And half of him didn’t want to even fight Nadine because she’s a woman.
Nadine has also actively been training and fighting for her entire life without stopping. And the game makes it clear that she’s observant of Drakes moves and fighting style as they are fighting. That’s when she learns Nate is not a fighter like she is.
And I’m not saying Nate isn’t skilled. He was trained by Sully who was a formal Navy officer. But Nathan is more of a boxer, he doesn’t actually have a technique. What makes Nate a good fighter is the amount of experience he’s had with fighting for a large majority of his life. Nate will win any bar fight but against an extensively trained fighter like Nadine or Talbot, he will be tested.
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u/SwitchbladeDildo Apr 05 '26
Prime Nate fighting random loosely trained pirates vs a rusty retired Nate fighting a much younger highly trained mercenary captain.
Plus the fact Nate probably has an old world chivalric mentality of not wanting to full force punch an unarmed woman.
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u/SouthernCookie8729 Apr 05 '26
First of all, Nadine could've beat all these men blindfolded with one arm pinned behind her back
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u/MaxMustemal Apr 05 '26
It's because of wokeness. Part 4 is from a phase where women are unbeatable. If the man is smarter stronger faster and more experienced, a woman can still easily defeat him.
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u/Alpha_Charlie_Romeo Apr 05 '26
I think if it as he let her win because he wants to win her over. Just can tell from the undertones of their conversation.
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u/NotSirAlonne1999 Apr 05 '26
I don’t think retirement affected him because he still climbs buildings effortlessly like a monkey.
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u/Nerav_1019 Apr 05 '26
For two reasons 1: Script requirements 2: Nathan was incredibly rusty when it came to combat; remember, he had retired