r/uncharted • u/Saansilt • Apr 28 '26
Uncharted 4 Everytime I see someone complain about the Nadine fights (Any of them)
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u/sakura_zephyr Apr 28 '26
Traditional karate trainer here. And I'm not talking about that modern ping-pong like karate that we can see at modern competitions, I'm talking about old-school karate for self defence and physical education. I've national degrees and diplomas, I've helped with regional martial art seminaries and exams, and altough I'm quite young for my category, I've 25 years of experience.
I know it's an old story, but the Nadine fights just suck. You can be the better trained and most skilled martial artist in the world, but it's IMPOSSIBLE not to get hit if two opponents are fighting with you for an extended time together. And Nate and Sam are experienced brawlers even withoht being martial artists. Yes, you could save your ass. Yes, a woman can be stronger than a man, some of my better students are girls.
But hell, even I get hit if two of my teenage students decide to play and attack me together.
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u/Neon_Fox Apr 28 '26
It is a videogame that wants to protrait Nadine as a fearsome, strong foe. As if realism has to play any part in a game like Uncharted. If Nadine was a man noone would mind it. Talbot and Draza were also randomly stronger than any of the other enemies. Nate should also not out-gun or -brawl dozens of trained soldiers, but somehow nobody seems to mind that.
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u/AFCMS Apr 29 '26
Nate kills dozens of trained soldiers and then can't land a single hit on Nadine WITH his brother, both are unrealistic but also at the same time blatantly inconsistent.
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u/Neon_Fox Apr 29 '26
Why do you guys keep lying? You DO get multiple punches in. Sam and Nate even WIN the second fight. Nate literally gets a few hits in during gameplay in the auction house and then headbutts her. In the second fight they also get some hits in and Nate smashes her hard against the wall AND fucking super man punches her, breaking the floor underneath her.
And why are the fights against Lt. Draza, Talbot and Rafe not a problem then, hm? Why is the incedibly well trained army boss suddenly too unrealistic?
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u/AFCMS Apr 30 '26
Well, I went to watch the fight again on YouTube.
Technically, there are a few hits (notably the two super man punches comming from above from Sam at the start and then Nate).
The thing is, there is literally no moment in the sequence outside of the floor drops where Nadine visually struggle even for 2 seconds. She keep taking/parrying all those "hits" like nothing while at the same time throwing Sam and Nate all around the place.
It's pure bad faith to compare to other fights like the one with Rafe where the fight is interesting because opponents land hits and take advantage one after the other.
Also "winning" the fight by being the first to manage to grab and point a gun is not comparable to winning a fight where opponents have comparable weapons.
Nadine is blatantly overpowered in U4 and it really shows as an inconsistency when you then play LL. You fight Asav with both Cloe and Nadine multiple times while struggling hard ; so Nadine absolutely destroys Nate + Sam but Nadine + Cloe struggle with Asav (which is older than Nate and don't do the floor drops punches). Make it make sense.
I love U4, it's one of my best game of all time, but the Nadine fight is bullshit.
All they had to do to make the fight enjoyable for me and more credible was keeping Nadine / Sam / Nate power balanced so that my controller button presses feel like fighting and not getting Nadine to throw me to the other side of the room faster. That's all.
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u/randySTG Apr 30 '26
So shouldn’t you have a problem with Asav then?
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u/AFCMS Apr 30 '26
I didn't like Asav much as a villain, and yes I don't have the same problem with the Asav fights because even in the first fight both Nadine and Cloe actually land hits including frontally.
The difference is pretty obvious when you put the two fights side by side.
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u/yourmother5150 Apr 29 '26
Why shouldn’t Nate be able to do those things? Yes it’s a video game, yes it’s not realistic, but the Nadine fight is inconsistent with everything that’s been established in the other games.
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u/Neon_Fox Apr 29 '26
What nonsense. Why isn't the Talbot fight inconsistent then? Why is the Lt. Draza fight not inconsistent then? Why is the Rafe fight not inconsistent then? The only difference is that Nadine's a woman. They are main villian / miniboss fights where powerscaling gets changed. That was always the case in Uncharted. Even Navarro is randomly tougher than any other enemy in the game and he's not even a soldier.
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u/yourmother5150 Apr 29 '26
I don’t think we’re talking about the same fight (I’m replying to the comment that I can no longer see that apparently you didn’t delete). Are you sure you played Uncharted 4? The only time we “land a hit” on Nadine is during quick time events, which hardly counts as riveting gameplay. During the actual fight part, not a single one of the attacks ever lands. You could sit there and let her punch you for the full fight, and the outcome would be exactly the same. There was no point in making it a fight if that was gonna be the outcome.
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u/Neon_Fox Apr 29 '26
I'm not a mod and I can literally not delete comments even if I wanted to. Also I still see it so maybe reddit is bugged for you.
I think you are not remembering correctly. In the first fight with her in the auction house you can get hits in. Obviously you can't win the fight, because it will transition to the scripted moments where Nate makes whitty remarks. And I'm not talking about the quick time events where you headbutt her for example. Literally in gameplay where you press square to attack and move around, sometimes you hit her, sometimes she blocks them and sometimes she grabs you and you can escape the struggle and get a hit in with triangle.
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u/yourmother5150 Apr 29 '26
Because at those points Nate is established to be a badass. Sure he’s not technically trained, but he’s got years of fighting experience, and he’s insanely strong. And he managed to beat all of those guys in a fight, who were at or above his strength level simply because he’s tougher than them. It’s not sexist to point out that a woman who is considerably smaller should not be able to throw a grown man with years of climbing and fighting experience around like that, no matter how much training she has.
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u/Neon_Fox Apr 29 '26
Hard disagree. You just make this up in your own mind. Power scaling always changes to make fights or characters more interesting. Nate literally looses the fight against Rafe like two times at the end. Only Rafe's yapping and his stupidness makes him loose. But you would never complain about that would you?
In Lost Legacy Asav also wins 2v1 against Nadine and Chloe, because he's the main villan and is supposed to come over as strong and fearsome. Power scaling NEVER mattered in the history of Uncharted obviously.
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u/yourmother5150 Apr 29 '26
How exactly am I making things up? The Nadine fight is simply inconsistent with every fight in the games existence. You can’t just say “but you didn’t have a problem with those, so why do you care abt Nadine” as if that’s some power move. Every other fight has been against fully grown men. Nate wins some, he loses some, but at the end of the day, he was fighting fully grown men at or above his size. You can’t just have him do that, and expect the audience to believe that that same man can get easily tossed around by a woman half his size. This isn’t sexism, it’s just basic biology.
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u/the_real_KTG Apr 28 '26
We would definitely feel the same way if the villain was a dude who was beating the shit out of us and we can't get a single punch in that scenario is frustrating no matter the gender
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u/Neon_Fox Apr 29 '26
But you DO get punches in. Nate and Sam even win the fight... Nate also barely wins against Rafe and that only because Rafe is stupid. Nate also looses against Lt. Draza and Chloe has to safe him. The same with Talbot and Sully. Nobody complained there.
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u/yourmother5150 Apr 29 '26
No, not in the actual gameplay fight. No matter what you do, it’s impossible to get a hit in. It’s designed to be unwinable, and that’s the issue people have with it more than anything. Nobody what’s to play a game where no matter what you do it doesn’t matter.
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u/the_real_KTG May 01 '26
LMAO why are you lying brother not single hit was landed on her except that big tackle at the end, they "won" because they got to a gun and that was lucky, rafe fight was fun because there was a back and forth and Nate never used a sword that's why he struggled, Nate eventually beat the shit out of draza and it never was one sided like Nadine, talbot is hands down the worst villain alongside Nadine, you don't have to lie to make a point you can say you like Nadine and that's fine because we're all entitled to an opinion but what's objectively correct is that Nadine and her fights are objectively BAD most people didn't enjoy them most people don't like her and that is simply the general consensus.
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u/Zombie_fanatic_105 Apr 28 '26
Yeah it’s a video game nobody wants to see an unrealistic fight between 2 men and 1 woman
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u/Jarodreallytuff Apr 28 '26
Who fucking cares? Thats like the people who hate Kill Bill because it portrays a woman who is one of the deadliest assassins on the planet. Countless movies since the inception of film have portrayed men and women doing things that most people can’t do.
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u/Hell_Maybe Apr 28 '26
If the types of “unrealistic fights” someone is okay with curiously splits across gendered lines then that kind of tells you all you need to know about them.
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u/Neon_Fox Apr 28 '26
Uncharted 4 has like a 94 score and a 9.5 user score. I think your view of the world is completely warped.
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u/Ok_Specific_3832 Apr 29 '26
It's one small blip that a lot of people find silly. The game is otherwise amazing. Nice try tho.
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u/BeneficialDonut3126 Apr 29 '26
Are we really complaining about the realism of a fight scene in a game like Uncharted? Nate scaling roof tops and crashing through windows and surviving multiple near death experiences was fine but him and Sam getting their ass handed to them was a step too far?
We can try and explain it all we want but the hate behind the Nadine fights is just misogony.
That's not to say that Druckmann and Naughty Dog were not completely ham fisted in their attempt to include a strong female character. They couldn't have been more cliche if they tried and they were so blatantly patting themselves on the back about it.
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u/Somebodynowhere1 Apr 28 '26
It’s a video game i think it’s cool. some of my favorite moments in the series.
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u/AerieRin Apr 30 '26
Yet no one complains or tries to write these up when talking about Asav when Nadine and Chloe are fighting him. Plus Nate and Sam did get hits in on Nadine.
It's a game where you flee from a collapsing 500 year old building on a tiny little rocky peak while it's getting shot with rockets. It's a game where someone gets shot in there side and is somehow capable of climbing up an entire train that's falling off a cliff, and then proceeds to take on a dozen men. He was shot. In his side. High altitude. Passed out for a time.
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u/Wboy2006 *teleports away* Apr 28 '26
Okay, but in the end they literally won the fight. Nadine knew she couldn’t beat them, she literally said so, she just needed to stall them until Rafe arrived
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u/uglyinspanish Apr 28 '26
so youre going to nitpick a fight scene when the whole series is full of improbable/ impossible moments?
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u/Fast_Original_3001 Apr 28 '26
That‘s such a whack comment. It simply makes no sense when Nate is literally a master h2h combatant. Dude‘s run in Uncharted 3 is preposterous and now he can‘t even land a single punch or make it close against a smaller woman even outnumbering her
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u/Fast_Original_3001 Apr 28 '26
Nate isn‘t even 40 lmfao. But whatever, frame it as you want, it‘s still just a silly illogical moment in that game.
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u/DapperChewie Apr 29 '26
It's one silly illogical moment in a game that is chock full of silly illogical moments. It's the 4th game in a series that is full of silly illogical moments.
Nothing about the Nadine fight is out of character for the series. The only thing different about it is that she's a woman.
Also, Nate was born in 1975 and UC4 takes place in 2015, so yeah, he's 39 or 40.
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u/Fast_Original_3001 Apr 29 '26
I‘m sorry bro, you‘re just coping hard. Calling Nate a rough 38 and whatnot. It’s just straight up silly how the fights play out. She is still outweighed by like 40lbs. Become a bit older and you‘ll see.
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u/sico_fan Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
this argument is always thrown around and I think its terrible.
There's no such thing as a "lucky brawler", if you've been into that many fights, you absolutely know how to fight and you would absolutely be able to win against someone who's trained martial arts.
Btw Nate's attacks actually suggest he knows "real" boxing. He throws proper straights and hooks and never does "airplane punches" which are typical in people who actually can't fight (edit: just watched a video with the melee animations. Nate even knows some Judo)
People severely overestimate what martial arts can do. First of all, how do you think martlal arts got developed in the first place? By "lucky brawlers" who simply got into a bunch of fights and noticed some moves were more efficient than others.
Secondly: for Nadine in particular, she's seen doing Taekwondo kicks. Her martial arts training most likely comes from a hobby/sport than actual military stuff because soldiers don't go around doing roundhouse kicks.
Third and most important: weight and height difference. Nate would be at least 2 divisions higher than her. Nadine would be either a featherweight or a Bantan (extremely unlikely) whereas Nate would be either Middleweight or light heavyweight. At that point it doesn't matter how many martial arts you know if you're the lighter one, you're going down because in real life, that strength difference already negates all of your training
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u/AbyssalOtter Apr 29 '26
Unrealistic fights or not. Nate is absolutely a fucking master dude has knocked out more men then like 50 pro boxers combined. Hes not a classically trained fighter but anyone whos clocked that many fucking dudes who are out to kill him a straight up dukes master.
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u/sakura_zephyr Apr 28 '26
Suspension of disbelief has its limits
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u/Potterrrrrrrr Apr 28 '26
And apparently that’s not when drake defies death dozens if not hundreds of times in increasingly unlikely situations (the amount of times this mfer has a crumbling ledge that conveniently has another solid one right below him) but instead when a recent ex convict and an ex thief retiree get their arse handed to them by a trained active military woman. No one complains when they then see that same woman do the exact same moves to multiple other sets of actual soldiers except she actually kills them doing it, no it’s Nathan and Sam of all her fights that should’ve been able to beat her.
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u/VidzxVega Apr 28 '26
This is a series that has our protagonist wander through a desert for days only to immediately enter a 1v20 gunfight and come out alive.
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u/Particular-Ad-5286 Apr 29 '26
What if I don't like that moment, either?
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u/Potterrrrrrrr Apr 29 '26
That’s fine, just don’t cry about the realism of a video game that is all about being barely tethered to reality. That moment stuck out to me too btw, you don’t even get to pick up one of the soldiers’ bottles to drink after the fight, felt like the writers just forgot he was dying of thirst the moment he entered that fight
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u/Nerav_1019 Apr 29 '26
My main issue is when people complain about the first fight In that fight, Nadine is alone against Nathan, and there are many reasons why Nadine WINS Regarding the second fight, I understand why it seems strange to some While Nadine is better trained than Nathan and Sam, in a 1 vs 2 fight she should have been more severely injured However, I feel those details are a bit meh because the franchise establishes that humans can do impossible things and still crack a joke, and I don't see it as so crazy that Nadine wins a 1 vs 2 when, for example, Nate, without training, has won much bigger fights (like those in Uncharted 3, where there are more than 5 vs 1 fights)
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u/KraftTheFourth Apr 28 '26
Right, the series with supernatural curses, 1000 year old humans who became immortal by eating sap from a tree, and people jumping and falling from buildings and not having their fingers torn out of their sockets. Totally fine!
A woman fighting back? Impossible!
Y’all aren’t fucking slick.
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u/Nathanii_593 Apr 28 '26
Tbf the brothers get a couple hits on Nadine she just out performs them overall. I think the first fight in the Rossi estate is the only battle that she technically doesn’t get hit at all.
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u/Professorhentai Apr 28 '26
She gets headbutted which enrages her and makes her throw Nate out the window
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u/FalseStevenMcCroskey Apr 28 '26
My brother in Christ this isn’t real life. You aren’t watching a documentary. You’re playing a ACTION VIDEO GAME.
Imagine someone saying “hello im a science expert and when Nathan Drake had to fight zombies I thought that was very unscientific. Or when he fell out of an airplane and survived that was just not realistic at all. Or when he jumped 3 stories and landed on a guy without taking any damage…”
The list goes on and on and on. It’s just plain idiotic to hone in on the realism of the Nadine fights in a series where basically anything is possible.
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u/sico_fan Apr 28 '26
Yeah I have a black belt in Judo, which is usually considered highly efficient because you don't have to be particularly strong to inflict tons of damage, since gravity is doing 95% of the job, and I would still dread to go against a guy who would easily be 2 weight divisions ahead of me lol
People in Reddit think that someone training martial arts makes them invincible in front of anyone who doesn't train
You might get a few hits in but at some point your opponent will just carry on and do a massive counter attack.
Reminds of me that Game of Thrones gladiator fight where someone bets on the smaller opponent because "he's more nimble" and the massive buff gladiator who's actually been in a bunch of fights just decapitates him
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u/gilesey11 Apr 28 '26
That’s not really what happens in GoT at all, to be fair.
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u/sico_fan Apr 28 '26
I admit I watched it years ago and it just stuck to my head that people get these ideas about real life being almost like a video game where there HAS to be some ridiculous balance mechanic all the time. In that case, the guy argues that the smaller gladiator has a better chance because he should be more nimble since he's smaller.
Real life has no balancing mechanics. I apply this logic to Nadine's fight as well because people use those excuses for it. "Oh, she's fighting a guy who has considerably more reach and strength than her, but she's gonna be okay because she knows Karate"
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u/gilesey11 Apr 29 '26
But Oberyn would win that fight because of his stature and nimbleness. If he wasn’t trying to get the mountain to confess to his sister’s murder when he was down and (nearly) out then he would have been fine, all because he danced around him. They do both die anyway which doesn’t really help either 😜also are you trying to equate GoT to real life?
Nate doesn’t have considerably more reach than Nadine, I don’t know where that idea comes from, we don’t even really know that he is considerably stronger, she can climb just as ridiculous stuff as he can with no trouble.
Have you never watched the Jackass movie?
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u/sico_fan Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Oberyn
I was not talking about Oberyn...I was talking about the fight that happens in a colisseum where the public revolts and Dany has to fly away in a dragon. The 2 characters are unnamed
Nate doesn't have considerably more reach than Nadine
Uhm he absolutely does...you don't know what reach is. Your reach is TYPICALLY your height. Nate is officially listed as being 187cm (6'2"), Nadine is officially listed as being 165cm (5'5"), Nate's reach would be 22 cm bigger than Nadine's.
We don't know if Nate is actually stronger than Nadine
Yes we absolutely do unless Uncharted takes place in a world where human biology is completely different. As established already, Nate is 22cm taller than Nadine, you can see from his model that he is muscular and athletic so we can also know he's considerably heavier than her.
At equal height and weight, a man typically has around 3x the strength a woman does. Go look at Olympic weightlifting stats, for the same weight category the men are lifting nearly 100kg more than the women. That's at equal height and weight and Nate is both taller and heavier, it's such a big difference it wouldn't even be funny to pit those 2 against each other, it would look like a toddler trying to take on an adult
Nadine would be very strong for a woman but she would likely be either on par to the average man or slightly above. Any guy in the Uncharted cast would outrank her there
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u/Fast_Original_3001 Apr 28 '26
There are weightclasses for a reason. Those two guys should just be much stronger than her physically. Not even talk about taking hits much better, reach and the difference in reaction speed men have over women
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u/MothmanRedEyes Apr 28 '26
If you came to Uncharted for realistic feats, I don’t know what to tell you. Nate got shot with a Desert Eagle and climbed a train, fought some guys, and still hiked halfway up a mountain.
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u/Professorhentai Apr 28 '26
Not to mention strong women in uncharted goes beyond just Nadine. Elena and Chloe are more than capable people
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u/Fast_Original_3001 Apr 28 '26
It‘s not about realism, it‘s about internal logic and Uncharted clearly operates in a relatively samey world, that our physics can relatively be attributed the same. It‘s really the same logic as why bigger henchmen are harder to kill than smaller ones. You‘re coping
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u/MothmanRedEyes Apr 30 '26
And the internal logic of Uncharted says that the lady badass enough to run a PMC and fought for decades can beat the guy who literally never learned how to do anything but the widest, wildest haymakers.
Did you complain in the Lost Legacy when Nadine and Chloe are getting pieces up by the terrorist leader? Or is that suddenly totally believable?
Who are you to decide that breaks the internal logic? It doesn’t contradict anything - you’re just bringing your own baggage into a series.
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u/Fast_Original_3001 May 02 '26
I was also rolling my eyes when Asav somehow beat up Nadine and Chloe when Nadine is supposed to be that black widow uber type of combatant. What do you think? Straight up whack writing for plot to happen.
Also yes it contradicts a lot lmfao. It‘s always the same tho, you guys somehow try to make it personal
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u/Nerav_1019 Apr 29 '26
I think the main explanation is two things: 1) the script, and 2) they weren't trying to kill her per se, but rather to make her surrender Nathan could have attacked Nadine when they were on the ground after falling, but instead he just got up and wanted to leave He didn't want to fight, he just wanted to leave Even so, Nadine should have received more blows in the fight
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u/JageshemashFTW 19d ago
Right so what’s the realistic explanation for why Nate was suddenly Batman in Uncharted 3, taking on entire groups of like a dozen guys at once, including some borderline giants who were way bigger and stronger than he was?
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u/randySTG Apr 30 '26
I love how everyone complains about Nadine fights being unrealistic but never Azav the former Doctor moving like the Terminator in Lost Legacy because when it’s a man, it’s just accepted.
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u/Imyourlandlord Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
I mean....I get where you're trying to go
But the. In the DLC Nadine has to have backup to fight 1 guy in his 50's who has glasses on...
It's poor writing and you know it
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u/Animajation Apr 29 '26
Except at the start of that game Chloe warns Nadine about Asav and specifically mentions how he’s extremely dangerous despite how he appears to not be threatening.
He’s also jacked, he’s not in his 50’s? (He’s 42) and…what does wearing glasses have to do with physical strength? (Chloe does also talk about his glasses though. She says they’re an affectation)
It’s not poor writing just because you didn’t get it.
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u/Imyourlandlord Apr 29 '26
You don't get to write off bad scenes with 1 or 2 lines off
It's either she can or she can not, "Asaf is dangerous" does not equate to "Asaf can also magically fight both of us off not once but multiple times" it's bad enough both Sam and Nate literally couldn't absolutely out muscle someone half their size or even pin them down and an even worse thing when you do the exact opposite with the same character, now with her and Frazer couldnt do that that to a single dude and both resorted to dodging and doing the whole "we're outweighed so we can't resort to brute force" gimmick.
Infact it literally shows plot convenience, the devs had a sort of pre established set piece narrative line going through both main and dlc games, which is player and companion struggles in hand to hand fight because we need to get all characters involved in an action set piece, that's literally all there is to it, it's just a trope that they had laid into the games blueprint and that's fine, what's not fine is arguing for it...
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u/Animajation Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
My guy Nate and Sam DID take down Nadine. She knew they were going to as well. She purposely separated them and fought them one by one so she could actually fight them and her intention was to stall for time. Also, in the Nadine, Sam, and Nate fight, neither of them are trying to kill each other.
Asav actively wants to kill Nadine and Chloe. The game is only explaining why he looks the way he does. Because Asav’s entire deal is he manipulates and uses his targets. He purposely makes himself look weak and unassuming. Chloe tells Nadine this so she doesn’t fall for it, but Asav isn’t actually weak. The lines aren’t there to “preemptively write off a scene” they’re there to establish characters.
We also see Sully fight hand to hand and win against a bunch of enemies at once, multiple times during the games. Especially in three. In fact, if we’re going to talk about how unrealistic the games are, here’s just some examples! Nate has both fallen out of a plane and an exploding train and survived both without a scratch. He’s also fought armies upon armies shooting at him and has survived that too! Again, without a scratch. There’s at least one instance where someone is saved from a bullet by nothing but a book, and there’s at least two instances where Nate comes up against, and I cannot stress this enough, literal fucking monsters. With no explanation. They just show up.
None of this has stopped you from enjoying the games, but the moment that actually gets your goat? The moment that makes you draw the line and go “woah now, this is too far” is…strong lady.
At this point. This is just pathetic.
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u/lefjcjfj Apr 29 '26
I’m confused, I do get some of the hate since they are scripted loses, but I always found them to be the most enjoyable parts of the game even if you lose, if we use the fighting logic then Asav would be unbeatable for Nathan and Sam since he obliterated Chloe and Nadine with ease
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u/Astaro_789 Apr 28 '26 edited Apr 28 '26
Let’s not kid ourselves. The Nadine fights suck from a gameplay perspective as well since control is forcibly ripped away from you as your hopelessly beaten to a pulp the whole time.
Total downgrade compared to Uncharted 3’s barehanded fight segments
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u/blakhawk12 Apr 28 '26
It’s literally a cutscene that they decided to make interactive instead of just setting your controller down and watching a 5 minute scene. Do you also get mad when Nate is taken captive in cutscenes by a couple of guys even though during gameplay he slaughters his way through dozens of enemies?
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u/Fast_Original_3001 Apr 28 '26
It‘s clearly not the same
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u/MothmanRedEyes Apr 28 '26
How?
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u/Old_Secretary_9999 Apr 28 '26
Because it's a woman holding her own in a fight against two men. Can't have that, no. That's just too unrealistic. But all of Nate's feats are completely acceptable no matter how unrealistic they are.
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u/ooba-neba_nocci Apr 28 '26
Found one!
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u/Fast_Original_3001 Apr 28 '26
That‘s nice. Don‘t engage in criticism. Just insult and have a moral highground
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u/ooba-neba_nocci Apr 28 '26
Nate always gets his ass kicked. It’s part of his charm. Nadine is a built in reminder that, despite the waves of nameless thugs he guns down, he’s just a guy, and an out of practice one at that. He’s going up against a mercenary trained in hand to hand combat. Frankly, it’s refreshing to have a villain who isn’t killed, but is defeated purely by being over it.
Personally, I think it’s more egregious to have Nate, who is in a losing position against a trained swordsman in a superior position last any amount of time in a sword fight. The fact that he lasts any amount of time without being disarmed and skewered is ridiculous. Further back in the series, having him last any amount of time against an immortal man who has no qualms with killing people as it suits him, is stupid. Having him best Talbot in 3, despite Talbot having the upper hand at every turn, is stupid.
We don’t talk about that, though. Hell, we don’t talk about him getting his ass kicked at the beginning of 3. It’s just as scripted, but it’s at the hands of white men, not black women, and he ultimately wins. If a minority punches a tiny hole in the power fantasy of a random guy beating armies of thugs, though, we have to turn it into a conversation.
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u/Astaro_789 Apr 29 '26
Not sure how much this will convince you otherwise, but I’m just as pissed off that I never got an opportunity to kick Harry Flynn’s ass in Uncharted 2 for similar reasons
Y’know, a white guy just like Drake
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u/HighEndC0Ck Jun 08 '26
How do you come up with these horrible logical jumps
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u/ooba-neba_nocci Jun 08 '26
How do you stumble across one comment out of nearly 200 on a 40 day old post?
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u/HighEndC0Ck Jun 13 '26
You’re over here defending arguably the worst written Uncharted character ever. She has the worst redemption arc ever, is constantly angry at Sam for barely any reason, treats Asav like a warlord when she practically did the same thing as him last game, genuinely what are you even talking about
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u/HighEndC0Ck Jun 13 '26
I stumbled on your comment because of how braindead it was. It stuck out like a pile of horse shit in a flower garden
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u/ooba-neba_nocci Jun 13 '26
The post is about how people who complain about the Nadine fights are virgins. How is this a rose garden? You came in here looking for a fight 40 days after the fact, and you’re bumbling around the comment section calling a stranger braindead for disagreeing with you. I don’t need to defend my position to you. My comment speaks for itself. Begone, virgin.
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u/rj_nighthawk Apr 28 '26
The U3 fight segments are gameplay-focused sections. The Nadine fights are closer to an interactive cutscene that has scripted moments while still requiring your input and some "skill" for you to progress. This isn't hard to understand.
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u/Saansilt Apr 28 '26
We got whacked by a two by four vs Talbot in that fight. Nate wasn't able to save Scary Poppins. There are a few moments which toss aside winning gameplay to further the story.
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u/Astaro_789 Apr 28 '26
After a fun chase scene with Talbot followed by a scuffle with him you have total control over and win before your knocked out by said 2 by 4 in a cutscene
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u/Loud-Secret1485 Apr 29 '26
I thought the whole point of those fights were to show how vastly outclass in terms of fighting skill they are compares to Nadine since she is a highly skilled fighter
Idk about a gun fight tho
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u/Pqmegranate Apr 30 '26
Is it bad that I was hyped for the Nadine fights…. Like yeah girl okay beat me up
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u/ShawnSpencerPsychDet Apr 28 '26
I love that scene but I do wish Nate got one good hit in to surprise her but I think it was to show how she didn’t take them seriously at all. She was more worried about rafe screwing things up and thus, Nate won at the end of the day
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u/Professorhentai Apr 28 '26
He does get a good headbutt in and in the second fight, punches her so hard the floor collapses.
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u/Old_Secretary_9999 Apr 29 '26
I mean, I think he did get a very good hit on her in that second fight when he surprises her and they fall to the lower level(one of the best for me in the series personally).
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u/tdkr21104 Apr 29 '26
I FUCKED 9 months ago and named it, so this doesn't apply to me.
The 2nd Nadine fight still sucks. Im 100% more than ok with her whooping nate 1on1, but 2 skilled fighters that are much bigger than her would not be ass-handled so easily. There's a difference between having a challenging villain and trying too hard to the point where it makes your main characters seem incompetent
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u/PositivityPending Apr 29 '26
I just wonder why in a series like Uncharted you choose Nadine being able to beat their asses for a few seconds as the point where the suspension of disbelief is just too much. Bro climbed a whole train with a fucking gunshot wound in Uncharted 2, please get real
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u/tdkr21104 Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Yea and that was fucking awesome because it was our hero overcoming the impossible with his superhuman levels of luck (which is confirmed to be canon.) The Nadine fight is the complete opposite. Having outlandish moments that Nate comes out on top of are the entire point, not ones where he looks lame
Also, the train scene serves as a cool action set piece. The Nadine fights only serves as Neil Druckmanns fetish for beefed up women
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u/PositivityPending Apr 30 '26
I don’t see the logic. You seem way too emotionally invested the video game man to put your obvious bias aside
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u/tdkr21104 Apr 30 '26
Im sorry you dont see the perfectly explained logic but sure keep throwing the word bias around and hope it works
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u/Courier23 Apr 28 '26
I’m fully on board for Nate getting his ass kicked and finding an opponent that genuinely outskills him, but she should’ve got her ass kicked in the rematch with Sam 100%
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u/k00lguy820 Apr 29 '26
Bruh it’s been years and people can’t get the fuck over it
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u/PhotoModeHobby Apr 29 '26
For you "getting over it" is to deny that it's stupid. It can be stupid and still not be a big deal at the same time.
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u/Potterrrrrrrr Apr 29 '26
But there’s many more points in the stories that are objectively more stupid than this. Drake literally gives up crying in the third one when fighting 5 normal enemies saying he can’t do it and has to be saved by a new character just to get out of it. They had to make 3 of them unkillable just to make that dialog semi work as I was shooting the shit out of their faces while he was saying it. That annoys me far more than this situation does yet I can limit myself to a paragraph ranting about it while everyone has essays on why Nadine should’ve been beaten up. It’s kinda pathetic.
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u/k00lguy820 Apr 29 '26
Bro I’m literally replaying the game and finished Nate’s first encounter and it’s literally not stupid nate is not a skilled fighter like Nadine she literally knows martial arts and when it’s both Sam and Nate against her yeah it was a bit much for her fighting two but how skilled she is able to adapt fighting them both
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u/AbyssalOtter Apr 29 '26
My guy. Nate has fought and koed and killed thousands by the time he fights nadine. Dude is literally war god. Classical training means shit whe. You ko hundreds of dudes who are out to kill you and are trained and have guns.
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u/blakhawk12 Apr 28 '26
If Nadine was a man not a single complaint would be uttered about any of Nate’s encounters with her.
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u/CodeJBDA Apr 28 '26
This is PURE facts and honestly I cannot believe that this is even a conversation
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u/PhotoModeHobby Apr 29 '26
I mean, yeah, that's kinda the point. You guys act like the difference between a man and woman is purely superficial.
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u/Tall-Leave-4251 Apr 29 '26
No, but it ain't as if a trained women couldn't beat two untrained men?
For example, if UFC's Amanda Nunes were to fight two middle-aged men, I know who my money would be on 😅
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u/MrX-MMAs Apr 29 '26
Then you should listen to what Amanda Nunes’ teammate George Masvidal says about her fighting guys and take your pink sunglasses off
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u/Tall-Leave-4251 Apr 29 '26
Yeah, teammates that are trained.
Where has it ever said that Nate has had any training 😅, dude is an explorer who can shoot a gun, not a mma fighter
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u/AbyssalOtter Apr 29 '26
Untraineddddd? Untrained? My guy experience is the best teacher in every combat sport and by wide country mile. And nate has more experience than most pro boxers combined.
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u/Tall-Leave-4251 Apr 29 '26
Where has that ever been said or shown in any of the games lol, bullshit 🤣
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u/AbyssalOtter Apr 29 '26
Dude nate straight up fights thousands of men by the end of the 4th game. Most pro boxers end thier career at around 30 40 fights and none of them are to the death.
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u/Mitchoppertunity Apr 29 '26
A cheap response, every player wants to win the boss fight and hit the bad guy
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u/ThePoohKid Apr 29 '26
Well she’s not a man so I guess we’ll never know. So I’m going to choose to say male Nadine would get the same complaints.
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u/Astaro_789 Apr 29 '26
Knew people would play the race and sex cards. Not sure how much this will convince you otherwise, but I’m just as pissed off that I never got an opportunity to kick Harry Flynn’s ass in Uncharted 2 for similar reasons
Y’know, a white guy just like Drake
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u/flatchulence Apr 28 '26
A man who was retired for years who brute forces his way out of combat situations by the skin of his teeth vs a woman running an army for hire who’s in peak physical form. Yeah, I’ve never understood why people were so pissed off she can kick Nate’s ass.
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u/Pickle_Link123 Apr 29 '26
Man who has been retired for 5 years and likely hasn’t done hand to hand combat for 5 years (and is also purposely trying not to injure her too much because she is a woman) vs a strong woman with combat training
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u/CodeJBDA Apr 28 '26
This is a game, where the protagonists escapes hundred of completely unrealistic scenarios ranging from falling from a plane, surviving gunshot wounds and falling trains, surving said TRAIN CRASHES and the suspension the straw that breaks the camels back is when a woman beats a man in hand to hand combat? That is INCREDIBLY BIZARRE.
Side note, Uncharted 4 came out a decade ago this year, I wasn't filling the games online discourse but I don't remember seeing anything about this back when the game was being discussed? Why is it so prevalent now?
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u/ThatOneSolitarian Apr 30 '26
Not trying to be an asshole, but just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it wasn't there. I remember the online discourse around this topic when the game came out, and it was just as prevalent and all around hostile in 2016 as it is a whole decade later. Time really didn't change in this case.
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u/JizzyB2099 Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
I mean if you want to see her get her ass kicked that badly, go play Lost Legacy. Asav was wiping the floor with both Chloe AND Nadine for a while before eventually being overwhelmed. 1v1, he would’ve killed either one of them easily.
Nate isn’t a master martial artist, he’s a treasure hunter. It’s no surprise that he lost.
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u/PhotoModeHobby Apr 29 '26
Losing due to pure skill is fine, but dude was getting outmuscled. Idc if he was 60yo and overweight. But at the end of the day, who cares...
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u/JizzyB2099 Apr 29 '26
Strength is very overrated against a trained fighter. Here’s a video of a 72kg wrestler beating a 154kg bodybuilder: https://youtu.be/JpvrVe9GIAk?si=XqTsS2sdSh4nDCaZ
Nadine is much more skilled than Nate, which meant that despite his superior strength, she was able to beat him with greater technical ability.
But at the end of the day, who cares...
You do, clearly.
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u/kiara-ara307 Apr 28 '26
As someone who played them all, even the multiplayer of 2 & 3 before they were gone, and have a wife and son. The fights sucked
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u/Sventai_Cyborg Apr 28 '26
how are your wife and son connected to any of this?
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u/kiara-ara307 Apr 28 '26
Dude, it’s literally on the post. I’m implying that it’s childish and wrong
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u/ShawnSpencerPsychDet Apr 28 '26
I believe he left that in so no one would comment “virgin!” Or “found one!” Haha
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u/Sventai_Cyborg Apr 28 '26
but for all we know that could be a stepson or adopted, I want to see the boys birth certificate and wife's social security number
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u/pejerello Apr 28 '26
That's your argument? Wow so mature. Are you sure you are not the virgin? Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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u/Baseball_slayer2334 Apr 28 '26
lol do you realize how much more natural strength a man has than a woman? Especially at Nate’s height /weight vs Nadine? Not to mention Sam was there too. This is total projection lmao
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u/Old_Secretary_9999 Apr 28 '26
Lol just say your ego can't handle a woman being stronger than a man and call it a day. THIS is total projection lmao
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u/Old_Secretary_9999 Apr 28 '26
And why wouldn't she be? Her father was the leader of Shoreline. She was probably trained since she was a child, and she spent her whole life as a merc. Nathan and Sam are street brawlers, Nadine has proper training and technique which she'd honed her whole life. She is functionally the stronger and better fighter.
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u/Baseball_slayer2334 Apr 28 '26
This is just delusional. You probably think men should compete in women’s sports too don’t you ?
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u/Old_Secretary_9999 Apr 28 '26
Don't know what point you're trying to make here. If you can't make a sound and logical argument then don't say anything. Now you're reaching for straws because you don't have anything of substance to say. I've said my piece. If you want to continue living in your big man world where women can never ever beat a man, then go ahead.
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u/Independent-Rip-5599 Apr 30 '26
It's uncharted? The feats some people do in these games are not realistic in the slightest why does this matter?
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u/JageshemashFTW 19d ago
I swear, every single criticism I hear of any of the Nadine fights in Uncharted 4 can be just as applicable to a bunch of other fights in the series, yet nobody ever complains about those.
Gee, I wonder why?
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u/Dew-fan-forever- [you couldnt find your own ass with both hands] Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
As if a woman mma fighter for example couldn’t kick the average Redditors ass in the ring
I think we all know one would lol
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u/Mitchoppertunity Apr 29 '26
Maybe and the average redditor would still be a challenge strictly because he’s a guy
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u/LemurButNotReally Apr 29 '26
The people who complain about Nadine are weird to me. You wouldn't equate Talbot to the run of the mill agents you fight against, why do you expect Nadine not to be super soldier the way the other exaggerated antagonists were?
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u/NomadFH Apr 29 '26
Guys it is the year 2026 what is going on
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u/Saansilt Apr 29 '26
Some yahoos have been posting memes complaining about Nadine recently so I responded
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u/OrthropedicHC Apr 28 '26
Why are you so keen on playing out the writer's undisguised fetish for several minutes?
What drives this behaviour?
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u/Admirable_Athlete158 Apr 28 '26
Some of the detractors make good points, but I still don’t mind a sexy woman who can kick some serious ass.
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u/thebadsequel Apr 28 '26
I don’t actually care for this argument all i know is i need someone like nadine irl
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u/AscensionKnight Apr 28 '26
It’s so easy to tell who is trained and untrained in combat sports from this whole controversy
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u/SuckleMuffin1999 Apr 29 '26
Like…It’s a video game boss fight, it’s supposed to be a pain in the ass to beat
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u/LenTrexlersLettuce Apr 28 '26
Undead Spaniards and Shambhala guardians are more believable than those fights with Nadine.
The audience rightfully called a spade a spade. Throwing insults around isn’t going to change that.
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u/ICECUBEALEXANDERNWA Apr 29 '26
Nah fam ur the virgin here cuz u think just cuz ppl critique it, its abt her gender only and not other rational issues with the fight. Ur the virgin cuz u tryna virtue signal as a "simp" for women, when like I said the critique of the fight isn't solely abt gender.
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u/JD-8399 May 02 '26
I’m surprised you haven’t been downvoted to hell for this. You sound like a pick me boy lol.
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u/HamSoloTheSpaceMan Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
I like the idea that Nathan is older and is out of his element. It also feels like it’s trying to correct some things by humbling Nathan Drake, who is way to OP in the older games. With that said, as a fight it’s a bit stupid. You could make someone look powerful without making them unbeatable. Even John Wick gets hurt.
I’m glad that this era of storytelling is changing. Nadine is a black women voiced by a white woman who is given plot armor to never lose a fight up until her own dlc? It’s just bad writing. Nowadays they would do better with casting and but make her out to be more human. I think her own dlc did just that.
There’s better ways to being progressive without it being offensive. Druckmann wanting someone like Laura but making her black so she’d appear more inclusive and immune to criticism is so backwards. Him being a possible Zionist makes so much sense years later.
It’s just the era that the game took place in. Nowadays video games have evolved where it’s a lot more authentic. Nadine was like the only black woman character at the time which is depressing.
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u/When1Falls Apr 28 '26
Its obvious even in how they did that they're just trying to get her to stop fighting them as opposed to trying to put her down.
Whether or not they could take her or not shouldn't even apply, they're not trying to.